00:08:10 rbm has quit 00:08:19 rbm has joined #openacs 00:52:12 i had a fan fail on an athlon 00:52:38 the heat monitor warning went off after like 30 seconds 00:52:54 it took about 1 minute total for the CPU to smoke itself. 00:53:02 ack. 00:53:12 Shouldn't it shut itself off? 00:53:28 that's what i thought 00:53:30 This was on the multiprocessor units. 00:53:30 but it didn't. 00:53:33 Aha. 00:53:34 the smell was awful 00:53:39 ick. 00:53:44 and the thing is 00:53:52 it was an ATX motherboard, with the "soft" on/off switch 00:53:57 very unfortunate. 00:54:03 so... the switch failed, and I had to run to yank the power cord 00:54:31 it was a disaster. i wonder what would have happened if i didn't cut the power 00:54:40 Ack. I have _one_ atx case with a REAL power switch on the back along with the soft switch on the front. Its a cheap one too. the fancy ones don't have it. 00:55:02 Scary. probably would have overheated the chipset and fried the motherboard. 00:55:23 it's funny how manufacturers think that systems are realiable enough that we don't need a traditional "on/off switch 00:55:40 I am looking at the Oracle/intermedia search package. Its kinda scary. 00:57:13 in my weird conspiratorial world 00:57:25 i beleive that oracle makes their software as bulky and difficult to understand as possible 00:57:30 in order to maintain a "mystique" 00:57:32 :-) 00:57:35 Probably. 00:57:41 "it's so hard to use, it must be good" 00:57:45 heh 00:59:00 Well, my lack of Oracle knowledge _is_ quite extensive. But just the architecture is very messy. They crammed everything into one package. The acs-service-contract solution provided by the unpaid volunteers is much nicer than what aD built. 01:00:41 heh. i'm not surprised. 01:00:50 I have this overwhelming instinct to just rewrite the whole thing.... or most of it anyway. 01:03:16 ! 01:03:17 ugh 01:07:48 I need someone from aD who knows how it works. 01:09:10 who wrote it? 01:09:12 is it in the source? 01:09:18 except I am not sure anyone every did... 01:09:22 probably 01:09:24 * davb looks 01:09:55 here is one name: Khy Huang 01:11:34 I could try the email to see if it still is active. 01:12:03 well... I am still waiting for an aD bboard search to return... is this the same search software? :) 01:29:41 Psychephylax has joined #openacs 01:29:57 hey all 01:30:16 hi 01:30:25 wanna help me figure out what domain to register? 01:31:09 sure! 01:31:39 any suggestions? 01:31:44 I use the tools at selfpromotion.com 01:31:47 I want psychesoft.com but it's taken 01:31:57 and so is psycheinc.com 01:31:58 you can sumbit a list of words and it will try all the combinations. 01:32:17 only hitch is I always forget my password :) 01:33:24 heh 01:33:35 I'm in! 01:33:44 lol 01:34:08 it has great tools for analyzing web pages. 01:34:21 Analyze mine them 01:34:23 then rather 01:34:24 neverhere.com 01:35:01 you have to say WHAT to analyze it for. 01:35:09 ie what keywords you want to be known for. 01:35:23 heh 01:35:27 I don't have any 01:35:44 I wonder if i should register angrymidgets.com 01:35:49 its not?? 01:35:53 no 01:36:09 i want something professional type 01:36:18 like psychesoft.net maybe 01:36:22 psychemidgets.com is also available. 01:37:34 What do you think, psychesoft.net? 01:37:48 not bad. whats it for? 01:37:55 nothing in particular 01:38:04 psychetron.com,net,org is avaialble. 01:38:10 lol 01:38:15 also psychevision 01:38:23 oh boy 01:38:29 if I ever start my own psychic network 01:38:32 I can use psychevision! 01:38:32 lol 01:38:45 heh 01:39:16 astisoft.com is taken 01:39:23 darn. 01:39:33 psychematic is available. 01:39:54 well, psychephylax too but it's no use to me 01:40:06 oh right. 01:40:18 noone would ever be able to type it :) 01:40:39 it's gotta be: easy to remember, about nothing specific, and sound well if it's nick@something 01:40:47 like nick@hishouse.com 01:41:11 psychesoft sounds like a consulting firm perhaps =) 01:42:46 wooohooo! lackofsex.net is available! 01:43:40 perhaps 01:43:53 uh, that is also VERY surprising. 01:44:03 I am sure you can make money with that one. 01:44:15 lol 01:44:17 how do you figure 01:44:42 nbpsy or psynb? 01:45:04 psynb is also pronouncable. 01:45:23 yah 01:45:32 s/also/almost :) 01:45:38 heh 01:48:09 here's a question for you 01:48:12 ok 01:48:30 How can a domain expire 7 days ago and still be operational? 01:48:41 who knows. 01:48:48 Domain Name: psychesoft.com 01:48:51 is network solutions holding it? 01:48:53 Created on..............: Sun, Oct 29, 2000 01:48:53 Expires on..............: Mon, Oct 29, 2001 01:48:53 Record last updated on..: Fri, Jul 06, 2001 01:49:04 they hoard them. 01:49:23 but it still works http://www.psychesoft.com 01:49:46 interesting. Perhaps they reregistered but it didn;t go all around yet. 01:49:59 no idea, the domain registration system is a huge mess. 01:56:09 maybe I should get neverhere.net 01:56:47 maybe. 02:35:48 bah 02:35:51 I need a master card 02:36:32 the don't take american express? :) 02:36:41 no, they don't take Discover 02:37:09 Although, supposedly...When i get my citibank atm card, I can use it as a debit card which is accepted for a Master Card 02:37:25 Until then, I'll just have to hope nobody steals my domain :( 02:37:54 ack. 02:38:15 ack? 02:38:17 syn! 02:38:22 Psychephylax: if the atm card has a mastercard logo, it will be accepted as a credit card. 02:38:37 it doesn't 02:38:45 i haven't gotten it yet anyway 02:38:54 it just sez it's accepted everywhere MC is 02:39:28 they do take American Express tho 02:39:39 heh 02:40:02 Discover charges outrageous fees. YOu have to do all kinds of special crap to accept it. 02:40:08 nonsense 02:40:19 I got mine =) 02:40:28 I have no fees aside from the ones i make myself 02:40:45 See, I never carry a balance to the next month 02:40:52 no not you, the merchant :) 02:40:55 They keep raising my limit too 02:40:56 oh 02:41:20 :) /me had a merchant account before... 02:41:23 oops 02:41:28 hah 02:41:49 !! 02:41:49 Hey, Psychephylax. What would you say is a good book to start learning programming? 02:41:53 excellent. 02:41:55 A good book? 02:42:01 Well...depends on what you want to program 02:42:04 Yeah, like the first one I should read. 02:42:15 Not a language book...theoryish. 02:42:20 Right 02:42:34 well, theoryish books are also usually 1. Language referencing 02:42:44 2. Focus on one point 02:42:47 I probably should just keep coding and learn through osmosis. 02:42:51 Nah 02:42:56 What do you have problems with? 02:43:03 everything. 02:43:04 I have all sorts of "theoryish" books 02:43:06 :) 02:43:12 How's your coding style? :) 02:43:30 Not bad, but I am lazy. 02:43:59 you know what fibbonacci numbers are and tower of hanoi? 02:44:29 kind of... but not really. 02:44:33 ok 02:44:39 how's your mathematical reasoning? 02:45:16 Good question. Not bad I suspect, but I have forgotten most of it. 02:46:08 THis book is pretty good but I think you can find it cheaper at your local college bookstore: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0534944469/qid=1004928410/sr=2-3/ref=sr_2_11_3/107-9392143-8963727 02:46:56 I also have this book: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0130961418/qid=1004928484/sr=1-5/ref=sr_1_10_5/107-9392143-8963727 02:47:05 WOW! 02:47:08 $$$ 02:47:55 and if you want your hair to fall out from stress and confusion: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0132624788/qid=1004928550/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_10_1/107-9392143-8963727 02:48:04 (too late) 02:48:04 That's heavy duty 02:48:26 last one has 350 pages 02:48:44 but each page feels like 30 normal pages 02:48:54 every other line is like a concept 02:49:14 wow. 02:49:16 then, if you want to read some stuff about Algorithms... 02:49:40 We have one written by one of my former professors: The Algorithm, design manual by Steven S. skiena 02:50:01 and fundamentals of algorithmics by gilles brassard and paul bratley 02:50:43 something on the light side: The practice of programming by Kernigan and Pike 02:50:44 Aha. Looks like I really do need to relearn all that math. 02:51:29 then there's "The Object Concept" with C++ references by Rick Decker and Stuart Hirshfield 02:51:43 or 02:52:14 PRogramming Language Concepts and Paradigms by David A. Watt...I don't think it's the same dude the watt unit is named after :-/ 02:52:32 heh 02:53:02 There's also Software Engineering theory and Practice 02:53:32 that should keep you entertained for a while...a long while... lol 02:53:43 Kept me busy for 3.5 years and I haven't finished reading half of them 02:53:45 yeah. 02:53:50 aigh!!!! 02:53:56 Yeah. I better get going! 02:54:04 hell, there are some books I haven't even started reading! lol 02:54:11 Probably because i never went to class 02:55:29 I just need to buy a bookstore.... 02:55:53 nah 02:55:56 Just coffee 02:55:57 ;) 02:56:08 go to border or b&n...buy lots of coffee and read the books there 02:56:38 oh yeah, the vinod method. 02:56:46 I work across the street from borders. 02:57:03 I wish starbucks had books there =) 02:57:14 crap. amazon showed a book I wanted to look at, and now it's a different one. 02:57:16 Well, some Borders or B&N actually have SB in them 02:57:37 Ours has the borders coffee shop. close enough. 02:57:46 hey dave, how would you handle this 02:57:58 Say you have a table for books 02:58:03 a table for book copies.... 02:58:12 and patrons can request a book to be on hold for them 02:58:38 anyone win the world series yet? 02:58:47 no, not yet 02:58:51 0 - 1 yanks down 02:59:06 so, a patron can request a book to be on hold 02:59:49 I have to find out what book copy will be available fastest and put that person on hold for it 03:00:06 Except, what if someone doesn't bring it back on time? 03:00:14 right 03:00:30 My friend has a "Hold" table 03:00:42 So you have to put a hold on the "book" not the copy. first available book, goes to first hold. 03:00:43 I'm not sure if it solves the problem anywya 03:01:23 It is too late for me to think about it, I was looking at oracle code earlier and my brain is fried. 03:01:28 heh 03:01:33 ok 03:01:38 so let me ask you another question then 03:02:00 * davb wonders how he can do 4 years of compsci and work a fulltime job in like 6 months to a year...:) 03:02:11 if you have a table that stores patrons who want to borrow a specific ISBN...can you use SQL to determine who gets the next copy? 03:02:41 sure. query the hold table for the earliest hold on that isbn. 03:02:42 Dave, doubtful but you can learn more than if you didn't read anything 03:02:52 heh. right. 03:02:57 gotta go. good luck! 03:03:10 ok 03:03:12 bye 03:03:14 davb has quit 03:58:13 docwolf has quit 03:58:38 docwolf has joined #openacs 04:01:07 hazmat has joined #openacs 04:19:00 adler has quit 04:42:23 adler has joined #openacs 05:02:37 adler has quit 05:43:18 jerryasher has joined #openacs 05:43:33 http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2001/10/21/CM161079.DTL 05:43:34 A: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2001/10/21/CM161079.DTL from jerryasher 05:43:38 Hmm. Brains. 06:02:48 vinod has joined #openacs 06:44:49 jerryasher has quit 07:35:13 vinod has quit 13:03:17 markd2 has joined #openacs 13:57:21 aegrumet has joined #openacs 13:57:32 Hey Andrew 13:57:42 Hey it looks like irc works from here! 13:57:44 * markd2 intrduces aegrumet to the usual crowd 13:57:50 but I think most of them are asleep right now 14:01:08 davb has joined #openacs 14:01:18 hi 14:02:01 good morning 14:17:54 hi aegrumet. 14:17:59 hi davb 14:18:09 view 14:18:16 chump view 14:18:19 argh! 14:18:22 A: 14:18:22 http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2001/10/21/CM161079.DTL 14:18:38 I'm a bit of an irc newbie 14:18:54 scuse me if I seem confused. 14:20:15 no problem 14:20:31 hey I did some work on rss over weekend 14:20:41 probably won't get much chance to look at it again 14:20:52 until after business hours 14:21:22 http://aegrumet.dyndns.org:8001/rss-support.html 14:21:23 B: http://aegrumet.dyndns.org:8001/rss-support.html from aegrumet 14:21:42 (not a canonical url) 14:24:52 that looks pretty good. I am still not sure if the RSS parsing bit should be in its own package or part of a bigger XML translation service. 14:25:49 Yeah it looks like there may actually be a clean division 14:26:08 but in any case I'm happy to work in the same pacakagedir 14:26:09 :) 14:26:46 Sure. I originally was thinking of just a proc or two that gives the channel info and a list of the items. The caller could then do whatever it wanted, stuff it in the database or whatever. 14:27:54 k 14:30:43 the other thing that might be useful (feature creep!) 14:30:53 would be a way to associate a template with a feed 14:31:09 i.e. if I wanted an adp-include which displayed the last 14:31:11 * markd2 fears the feeping creatures 14:31:20 few posts on the foo bboard 14:33:44 * AaronSw reconnects 14:35:40 That is a portlet. different package? 14:35:58 perhaps; still getting familiar with oacs 14:36:03 I think we are really at a critiacl point. 14:36:23 install went well; tried porting photo-lite to learn a little pg 14:36:30 The portlet functionality is getting enhanced for the new Sloan school system. 14:36:30 went very smoothly. 14:36:32 great tools. 14:36:34 Excellent. 14:36:59 I am trying to learn acs-interface so I can convert site-wide search to acs-service-contract. 14:37:26 Good. I haven't tried classic sws but I've heard with butt slow 14:37:32 due to all the dynamic pl/sql 14:37:43 Yes, I think that all can go. (i hope) 14:37:44 s/with/it's/ 14:38:26 the new package will just take orders to index content and deliver search results back to the search UI. 14:52:35 markd2 has quit 15:21:37 * AaronSw disconnects 15:26:49 hi 15:27:01 hello Psychephylax 15:28:32 Hey dave 15:32:04 http://www.digitalblasphemy.com/dbgallery/5/autumnfire1024.shtml 15:32:05 C: http://www.digitalblasphemy.com/dbgallery/5/autumnfire1024.shtml from Psychephylax 15:32:12 C:| a very cool background 15:32:12 titled item C 15:32:16 C: Worth getting 15:32:17 commented item C 15:33:08 * AaronSw reconnects 15:37:19 did I miss much? 15:41:35 Is OpenACS under the GPL or ADL? or whatever the heck AD calls it's license? 15:43:58 GPL 15:44:00 Nope 15:44:25 not GPL? 15:48:23 not it is GPL, you just didn't miss anything :) 15:48:38 i miss my home 15:48:45 * AaronSw disconnects 15:48:53 oh, can't help you with that. 15:49:32 Does he have that as a script or does he manually do that? 15:50:09 no its a proxy. Keeps him connected when he's disconnectecd. 15:50:17 so yeah a script I guess. 15:50:24 that is a cool background I set it up. 15:51:36 heh 15:51:45 I have a proxy but it's not that advanced 15:51:52 I will look at it when I get home 15:57:26 i tried muh I think 15:58:31 is aolserver under the MPL since when? i thought it was GPL... 15:58:48 not sure... 15:59:47 docwolf has quit 16:03:21 http://aolserver.com/license/ looks like its dual licensed 16:03:21 D: http://aolserver.com/license/ from hazmat 16:03:37 D: Aolserver is dual licensed under the GPL and MPL 16:03:37 commented item D 16:04:13 that is cool then. 16:05:03 http://www.ifactory.com/wshops.html 16:05:03 E: http://www.ifactory.com/wshops.html from davb 16:05:14 E:|Web Trends 1993-2001: 16:05:14 A Designer's Perspective 16:05:14 titled item E 16:05:23 E: A Designer's Perspective 16:05:23 commented item E 16:05:30 E: An evening with O'Reilly author Jennifer Niederst 16:05:30 commented item E 16:05:45 E: An evening with O'Reilly author Jennifer Niederst 16:05:45 commented item E 16:05:50 E: $35 16:05:51 commented item E 16:08:53 what's MPL? 16:09:04 Mozilla Public License 16:09:08 oh 16:09:12 Anyone know of a book on Oracle Intermedia? 16:14:43 how do I get a list of all the tables in my database in oracle? 16:14:50 sql*Plus 16:16:19 select table_name from user_tables; 16:16:31 table_name is all uppercase 16:16:51 (if you need to do where clausing) 16:16:59 thanks! 16:19:15 http://oradoc.photo.net/ora817/DOC/inter.817/index.htm 16:19:15 F: http://oradoc.photo.net/ora817/DOC/inter.817/index.htm from aegrumet 16:19:23 (intermedia documentation for 817) 16:19:29 thanks again. 16:37:02 unless I am mistaken, the oracle SWS makes a copy of all content to create the index. That is, intermedia has to have the content in a text column of a table to index it. 16:41:41 If you use a "direct datastore" 16:42:00 intermedia goes to the table and indexes its columns 16:42:08 I wouldn't call that a "copy" really. 16:42:12 ok. 16:42:18 I'll have to read more :) 16:42:29 There are other kinds of datastores 16:42:33 like a "user datastore" 16:42:40 where you provide intermedia with a pl/sql proc 16:42:47 that returns the "stuff to be indexed" 16:42:54 in theory, that stuff need not be in a table 16:43:01 but I don't know why that would be useful. 16:43:10 Static-pages. 16:43:17 ah hah 16:43:37 yeah you probably want a user datastore for that 16:43:40 Or whatever. There is a "leave it in the filesystem" option for the content-repository. 16:43:50 I'm pretty sure acs3x provides similar functionality 16:44:15 I think I will use it for everything. To interface with acs-service-contract. That way each package is resposible for delivering its content to intermedia. 16:45:27 ack, maybe not... 16:53:10 aha, that is how its done now. Each content type, news, bboard, etc.. registers a stored procedure to index itself. 16:59:36 markd2 has joined #openacs 17:01:58 wb markd2! 17:02:46 tankx 17:08:51 hazmat has quit 17:18:36 aegrumet has left #openacs 17:38:46 * AaronSw reconnects 17:50:56 lunch time 17:51:01 be back later 17:59:09 til has joined #openacs 18:38:57 hazmat has joined #openacs 18:47:16 :) 18:47:18 sushi! 18:47:27 gazheundheit 18:47:29 ok 18:47:44 This site-wide-search is taxing my brain! 18:47:49 lol 18:47:53 hey mark 18:48:11 can you read doc format? 18:49:45 * davb waves to hazmat 18:49:59 hi davb 18:50:02