IRC log of openacs on 2001-11-04

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00:01:00 [davb]
hi adler
00:01:10 [davb]
excellent spork!
00:01:14 [Spork]
yeah
00:01:15 [Spork]
i know
00:01:17 [Spork]
they're great
00:01:21 [Spork]
they have business sized ones
00:01:28 [Spork]
stick 'em in your wallet and hand them out
00:01:35 [Spork]
I think that's an excellent idea for interviews
00:01:47 [Spork]
you can just give those out with all the things you have done
00:01:50 [davb]
who'd you buy em from? I know some of the show vendors.
00:01:57 [Spork]
I dunno
00:02:04 [Spork]
I didn't catch the name
00:02:15 [Spork]
it wasn't my "regular" dealer because he doesn't sell this type of stuff
00:02:29 [Spork]
Dave, MarketPro people?
00:02:58 [davb]
Yeah. I did shows a couple of years ago. Never out by you though.
00:03:34 [adler]
hi guys.
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00:04:00 [Spork]
Ah
00:04:05 [Spork]
you're upstate right?
00:04:08 [Spork]
You know anyone from NJ?
00:04:16 [Spork]
you probably heard of them
00:04:23 [Spork]
they're really good businessmen =)
00:04:24 [adler]
I'm in NJ right now.
00:04:27 [Spork]
heh
00:05:12 [adler]
I'm experimenting with my laptop's noise. It just got really quiet. I hope that's the hd and not the cpu fan.
00:06:47 [davb]
spork: yes. albanyish. except they change names all the time :)
00:06:54 [adler]
Sometimes I think this VAIO is going to take off like a jet. So, who wants to hear more about this?
00:07:02 [Spork]
me me me!
00:07:10 [Spork]
Dave, have you ever heard of Kia Tech?
00:08:16 [adler]
heh.. sorry, must forage for dinner.
00:08:25 [davb]
nope.
00:08:32 [Spork]
dang, they're really good
00:08:43 [Spork]
I buy 95% of my stuff there
00:08:48 [Spork]
they love me and I love them
00:09:08 [adler]
you get your 'stuff' at Hooters?
00:09:11 [davb]
I havent been to too many shows these days. The selection sucks up here. Online is better.
00:09:55 [davb]
brb
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00:10:00 [Spork]
Their prices are a bit higher than half the vendors but I have never had a problem with them and the time I did (my driver cd) was busted they exchanged it without a problem
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00:10:20 [Spork]
wb
00:10:22 [Spork]
Their prices are a bit higher than half the vendors but I have never had a problem with them and the time I did (my driver cd) was busted they exchanged it without a problem
00:10:37 [davb]
The laptop keyboard works, but its too small when you are right next to a real one.
00:10:44 [davb]
Yeah that is good to get a reliable vendor.
00:11:06 [Spork]
indeed it is
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I always buy stuff from them just because I like them =)
00:11:38 [Spork]
i got 256mb of PC133 from them today for 20$
00:11:43 [Spork]
I couldn't resist
00:11:49 [Spork]
I don't know what box to put that in though
00:11:51 [davb]
Well, at that price, who could?
00:11:54 [davb]
Mine!
00:11:57 [Spork]
heh
00:12:11 [Spork]
Well, Win98 Se can't use more than xxx .... but I don't remember what xxx was for
00:12:25 [davb]
really. that sucks.
00:12:30 [davb]
switch to 2000
00:14:01 [Spork]
well, I have a Win2K box
00:14:03 [Spork]
Windows2000 running for 1wk 3days 17hrs 38mins
00:14:12 [Spork]
But it's already got 640 megs
00:14:21 [Spork]
I was hoping to stick more into Win98
00:14:54 [davb]
640MB should be enough RAM for anyone!
00:15:01 [Spork]
heh
00:15:04 [Spork]
you'd think so right?
00:15:05 [Spork]
lol
00:15:48 [davb]
Well I am running into the limits of 320 at the moment with a large photoshop file. Also my CPU is S . . . L . . . O. . . o . . . O . . . W
00:17:57 [Spork]
in 98?
00:18:30 [davb]
yeah. Its a 500 AMD K6/2
00:19:21 [Spork]
hmmm
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00:20:32 [Psychephylax]
;)
00:20:42 [davb]
not again!
00:20:55 [davb]
* davb volunteers for something else he is totally not qualified to do.
00:21:27 [davb]
Apparently I am the Oracle SWS -> acs-service-contract guy now.
00:22:23 [Spork]
heh
00:22:42 [Psychephylax]
back
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00:22:52 [davb]
Both OS X and Windows XP access the Internet in a variety of ways. But let's take a look at the two opposite approaches. While Mac OS X's Internet support is designed for the convenience of you, the user, Windows XP's Internet support is designed for the convenience of Microsoft or its assorted partner vendors.
00:23:11 [davb]
from: http://www.cnet.com/software/0-429669-8-7618644-1.html?tag=ld | OS Death Match
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00:30:06 [graszew]
hi everybody
00:30:10 [Psychephylax]
hello
00:30:27 [davb]
hi
00:30:30 [davb]
brb
00:30:33 [Psychephylax]
heh
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00:31:21 [graszew]
I want to add a new mimetype to AOLserver mimetypes list but I can't.
00:32:04 [graszew]
When I write " ns_param .html_pl "text/html; charset=iso-8859-2" into
00:33:06 [graszew]
and use ns_guesstype "foo.html_pl", it gets */*
00:33:36 [graszew]
What's wrong with my configuration?
00:35:34 [jerryasher]
Interesting.
00:35:34 [jerryasher]
What makes you believe you can include the charset info?
00:36:47 [graszew]
When I write "ns_param .html_pl text/html" , ns_guesstype gets the same - */*
00:36:48 [Psychephylax]
Jerry!
00:36:49 [Psychephylax]
=)
00:37:07 [jerryasher]
Okay, I would try fixing that first...
00:37:16 [jerryasher]
Hi Psychephylax....
00:37:55 [jerryasher]
Hmm. ns_param .html_p odd/ball works for me.
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ns_guesstype bob.html_p returns odd/ball
00:38:13 [Psychephylax]
hi Mark
00:38:18 [markd2]
greeblinga
00:38:26 [jerryasher]
greeblinga to you earthling
00:38:44 [markd2]
oops, should have been "greeblings"
00:38:52 [markd2]
greeblinga is actually a horrible curse. my apologies
00:38:58 [Psychephylax]
rofl
00:39:05 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax dies from Marks curse
00:39:12 [jerryasher]
A curse! We shall attack at once!
00:39:13 [graszew]
OK I'll test it again
00:39:39 [jerryasher]
Ah, the bacteria, we were not immune to your earthbound bacteria
00:39:48 [Psychephylax]
lol @ jerryasher
00:40:03 [markd2]
heh
00:40:21 [jerryasher]
(homage to Orson Welles)
00:42:04 [jerryasher]
the charset stuff is returned from ns_guesstype too, though I am not sure it will have any effect on anything.
00:42:30 [jerryasher]
ns_guesstype bob.html_pl returns "odd/ball; charset=iso-8859-2"
00:43:45 [graszew]
It doesn't work for me. bob.html_pl returns only "*/*"
00:44:34 [jerryasher]
Well, unfortunately there is not a single ns_log statement within aolserver/nsd/mimetypes.c.
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00:44:48 [jerryasher]
Do you have ANY mimetypes in your ns/mimetypes section?
00:45:41 [graszew]
I have Default, NoExtension, .html, .adp and .tcl
00:45:56 [davb]
hi
00:46:08 [jerryasher]
Have you modified your config.tcl at all?
00:46:13 [jerryasher]
Is this a config.tcl file?
00:46:33 [graszew]
:) ofcourse
00:46:55 [jerryasher]
well, just checking...
00:47:05 [graszew]
I have aolserver 3.3.1ad13
00:48:06 [jerryasher]
what does the .html line say?
00:48:29 [graszew]
ns_param .html "text/html; charset=utf-8"
00:48:45 [davb]
I moved my server over to my cable modem and its still screwed up. I changed NICs and everything. I am not amused.
00:48:58 [jerryasher]
Interesting. Did you add that? my aolserver3.3ad13 doesn't have that at all.
00:49:31 [jerryasher]
Well what happens when you copy that exact line and mutate it just a bit?
00:49:42 [jerryasher]
ns_param .htmlfoo text/html or something?
00:50:05 [jerryasher]
Do you grok C?
00:50:29 [graszew]
When I try to override it, ns_guesstype gets the same. I can't override it
00:50:31 [markd2]
* markd2 groks C
00:51:03 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax forks off another child
00:51:16 [markd2]
so you're the one causing the overpopulation problem!
00:51:18 [jerryasher]
I'm not suggesting you override that one, I think that one comes hardcoded.
00:51:32 [jerryasher]
no, he's the one eating babies. sicko.
00:51:43 [markd2]
ah
00:51:48 [markd2]
thats much more acceptable
00:52:02 [davb]
hi markd2
00:53:09 [jerryasher]
If you grok c take a look at aolserver/nsd/mimetypes.c.
00:53:24 [jerryasher]
Unfortunately I have a date with Costco.
00:53:58 [davb]
Anyony know the config file I need to edit to change the default route?
00:54:16 [Psychephylax]
lol
00:54:18 [Psychephylax]
Costco
00:54:22 [Psychephylax]
my friend works for Costco
00:54:28 [Psychephylax]
he's a manager
00:54:34 [davb]
arem
00:54:38 [davb]
aren't they all?
00:54:45 [davb]
:)
00:54:48 [Psychephylax]
no
00:54:54 [Psychephylax]
he actually gets "paid"
00:55:00 [davb]
Excellent.
00:55:11 [Psychephylax]
yeah
00:55:13 [jerryasher]
Well I'm going since it's happy hour now.
00:55:14 [jerryasher]
Kidding.
00:55:20 [Psychephylax]
hahaha
00:55:26 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax follows right behind JA
00:55:30 [Psychephylax]
I just got back
00:55:34 [Psychephylax]
but I won't mind going for round 2
00:56:31 [jerryasher]
ns_guesstype "weird looking potsticker at end of aisle"
00:56:48 [markd2]
cleanup on aisle 37
00:56:58 [davb]
* davb thinks Psychephylax was referring to happy hour
00:57:28 [jerryasher]
bleh. hmm. ns_guesstype "weird looking taquito at end of aisle"
00:57:56 [Psychephylax]
you guys are insane
00:58:11 [jerryasher]
s/insane/inane/
00:58:58 [jerryasher]
Gotta go, only 60 more costco minutes in the day.
00:59:46 [Psychephylax]
lol
01:00:30 [davb]
yeah I am in!
01:05:22 [docwolf]
oh shit
01:07:07 [markd2]
what's up docwolf?
01:07:36 [docwolf]
this storm looks like it's heading my way
01:07:55 [docwolf]
ugh
01:23:52 [graszew]
I've found mistake in my config file.
01:24:32 [graszew]
MIMETypes section shoulg be called ns/mimetypes instead of ns/server/${server}/MimeTypes
01:25:11 [graszew]
Now everything works !!!
01:25:31 [graszew]
Thanks for advices
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01:53:55 [davb]
cool!
01:54:15 [davb]
does anyone know anything about the oracle site-wide-search?
01:55:18 [markd2]
outside of I can't get it to work, not much
01:55:21 [davb]
heh
01:55:52 [davb]
I think I need to take it apart. I just need it to run an index when I say and spit up results when I am looking for something.
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01:57:47 [markd2]
my major malfunction right now is that when I enter stuff into sws savvy apps (bboard, commets, etc), empty entries are being put in the central indexed-stuff tables
01:57:53 [markd2]
and not the stuff that should be going in
01:58:00 [davb]
that is bad.
01:58:36 [markd2]
yeah
01:58:39 [markd2]
but I haven't dug into it deeply
01:58:44 [davb]
I am supposed to fix it so it works with the new search package and acs-service contract. So each package will tell sws what content it has and actually deliver the content to the indexing package.
01:59:24 [davb]
so bboard will say "hey I have a new message for you to index", the sws says "ok give me the item_id and content of the message"
02:00:17 [davb]
later when someone enters a search page, the search package says "give me all the pages that contain foo" and the sws package gives up the ids. Or something very similar.
02:00:52 [davb]
also i think all the access-control stuff is in search. which is good. the searching and indexing are seperate packages.
02:01:59 [markd2]
good
02:02:13 [markd2]
that was a continual embarassment for ad.com - Secret Stuff showing up in site wide searches
02:02:19 [davb]
heh
02:06:13 [davb]
its all in pl/sql goody!
02:06:23 [markd2]
pl/sql for a better world
02:06:36 [davb]
except the procs that remove all the ors and ands from a query. interesting, it just throws them away apparently.
02:06:50 [markd2]
heh
02:07:04 [davb]
ack, there is an sql file for every different package.
02:08:28 [davb]
how do I load an sql file with sqlplus?
02:11:26 [markd2]
@file-name
02:11:32 [davb]
easy. thanks!
02:11:33 [markd2]
having the .sql extension is optional
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been a long day. catch folks l8r
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03:06:33 [jerryasher]
doc where are you located -- I thought you were NYC, but I gather not.
03:07:11 [jerryasher]
are you still helping count ballots?
03:18:51 [Psychephylax]
fsk
03:18:54 [Psychephylax]
I hate computers
03:19:08 [Psychephylax]
Anyone want an Athlon 750?
03:19:15 [Psychephylax]
448mb of ram
03:19:19 [Psychephylax]
45gig hard drive
03:19:26 [Psychephylax]
cd burner
03:19:30 [Psychephylax]
TNT2 video card?
03:23:15 [docwolf]
yo
03:23:27 [docwolf]
jerry: boca raton, florida.
03:23:56 [docwolf]
yes, we are still counting ballots :-)
03:39:00 [jerryasher]
When is the storm to hit?
03:39:16 [jerryasher]
Psychephylax, ship me the computer, thanks!
04:02:58 [hazmat]
Psychephylax: how much?
04:03:21 [davb]
Psychephylax: I'll pick it up tomorrow :)
04:03:32 [docwolf]
storm hits in 24 hours
04:04:03 [hazmat]
i'll trade i've got a p-233MMX with 48MB....
04:04:27 [docwolf]
looks like it's gonna miss us, though the weather will still be pretty severe
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ChanServ has changed the topic to: Welcome to the OpenACS Helpline | http://www.openacs.org/
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This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ and blogged: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog
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yay! my brother in law is still alive!
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markd2: that is good to hear!
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Yippee!
17:55:03 [davb]
dns is still not updated yet though.
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17:59:03 [markd2]
hi Chump
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* markd2 is feeling lethargic
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* markd2 naps
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hi everybody
18:29:14 [davb]
hello docwolf
18:32:55 [davb]
can anyone get to http://www.thedesignexperience.org ?
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davb: i can get to de.com
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my site?
19:05:44 [hazmat]
yes
19:05:53 [davb]
aha, must be my ISP
19:06:25 [davb]
the web server is right next to this computer, but the DNS server is at another location. my ISPs DNS cache is apparently not updated yet.
19:06:38 [davb]
thanks!
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brb
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chump!
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http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog
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A: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog from adler
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A: chump's comeback special
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commented item A
21:20:26 [Psychephylax]
fsck i hate computers
21:23:03 [adler]
how do you feel about mobos?
21:24:09 [Psychephylax]
Depends what kind
21:25:05 [adler]
I'm considering a p3 oriented board--something where I can lower the voltage and use passive cooling
21:25:22 [adler]
how do you feel about those?
21:27:20 [Psychephylax]
I think they're evil
21:27:26 [Psychephylax]
Any Intel based motherboard is evil
21:28:43 [Psychephylax]
if you want to have a reaaally nice system
21:28:51 [Psychephylax]
and you're not a cheap person like me...
21:29:09 [Psychephylax]
Inwin IW-Q700 300W CAse 76$
21:29:09 [Psychephylax]
Thermaltake Case Fan7$
21:29:09 [Psychephylax]
Asus V8200 GeForce3328$
21:29:09 [Psychephylax]
Athlom MP 1.8Ghz x 2536$
21:29:09 [Psychephylax]
Crucial 256MB 2100DDR x 4140$
21:29:10 [Psychephylax]
Mitsumi 3.59$
21:29:12 [Psychephylax]
IBM Deskstar 60GXP 60gb x 2260$
21:29:14 [Psychephylax]
Sony 52x CD-ROM28$
21:29:16 [Psychephylax]
Pioneer 1x/2x DVD-R/RW480$
21:29:18 [Psychephylax]
Creative Labs Audigy Plat.170$
21:29:20 [Psychephylax]
3Com 905CX-TXM 100/10 NIC32$
21:29:22 [Psychephylax]
Globalwin Fan x 262$
21:29:24 [Psychephylax]
____
21:29:26 [Psychephylax]
S&H75$
21:29:28 [Psychephylax]
Total2203$
21:29:30 [Psychephylax]
Plus:
21:29:32 [Psychephylax]
Tyan MP Dual motherboard355$
21:29:34 [Psychephylax]
Total ~2600$
21:29:49 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax begins to drool
21:31:28 [adler]
I'd like something cheap. And I also want to experiement with passive cooling.
21:31:43 [Psychephylax]
the MP cooling system is very good
21:31:57 [Psychephylax]
Takes about 10 minutes for the machine to shut down if fans fail
21:32:57 [adler]
Failure is not a huge issue for my parent's print server. But I want to be able to sleep in that room when I stay with them.
21:33:22 [adler]
I'm more concerned about idle temp.
21:33:45 [Psychephylax]
oh
21:33:45 [Psychephylax]
heh
21:33:48 [adler]
Soz I can cool it with a nice heatsink and a temp-activated fan.
21:33:53 [Psychephylax]
You need a print server?
21:34:07 [Psychephylax]
Just get a 486 doing it
21:34:11 [Psychephylax]
They don't even need a fan
21:34:13 [adler]
Well, that's what they want. I want a openacs dev box.
21:34:18 [Psychephylax]
hah
21:34:24 [Psychephylax]
ok, that's not going to work out
21:34:37 [Psychephylax]
unless it's not going to be a production machine =)
21:35:36 [adler]
can you run oracle on a 486?
21:36:06 [Psychephylax]
You can't run Oracle on a Pentium 3 lol
21:36:09 [Psychephylax]
It's Oracle!
21:36:21 [adler]
naw, just give a truckload of ram
21:36:48 [adler]
ram is cool and quiet.
21:37:01 [Psychephylax]
lol
21:37:10 [Psychephylax]
Yeah I picked up 256mb of PC133
21:37:12 [Psychephylax]
I couldn't resist
21:37:31 [adler]
any other mobo recomendations?
21:37:32 [Psychephylax]
this box has only 80 but my other ones have lots
21:37:34 [Psychephylax]
Ummm
21:37:44 [Psychephylax]
Well, I don't particularly like Pentium's
21:37:47 [adler]
brb
21:38:01 [Psychephylax]
I run 2 computers on and I sleep in the same room..lol
21:47:31 [adler]
maybe I'm just paranoid.
21:47:44 [adler]
do you have a link for the MP's cooling abilities
21:52:22 [Psychephylax]
ummm
21:52:28 [Psychephylax]
lemme see if i have the video
21:52:49 [adler]
hah
21:53:52 [Psychephylax]
3 megs
21:54:06 [Psychephylax]
You do realize MP = MultiProcessor
21:54:33 [Psychephylax]
Might be a bit overboard for your Print Server ;)
21:54:45 [Psychephylax]
But definetly a + if you're going to stick Oracle on it
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22:14:28 [adler]
and some traveling wilburies mp3s too
22:14:38 [Psychephylax]
eh?
22:15:09 [adler]
and office200
22:15:11 [adler]
0
22:15:35 [adler]
is this your server?
22:15:35 [Psychephylax]
What are you talking about?
22:15:45 [Psychephylax]
ahh shit
22:15:52 [Psychephylax]
the index.html got erased again
22:16:16 [adler]
heheh
22:17:18 [adler]
I needed to pickup some Wesly Willis anyways
22:19:26 [Psychephylax]
lol
22:20:52 [adler]
monster ballads!
22:21:33 [Psychephylax]
lol
22:21:53 [Psychephylax]
actually, there are two servers
22:22:00 [Psychephylax]
neverhere.com is the main one
22:22:05 [Psychephylax]
and the 1085 is my machine
22:24:08 [adler]
nice.
22:25:12 [Psychephylax]
Did you watch the movie?
22:25:25 [adler]
whatmovie?
22:25:51 [Psychephylax]
the amd one
22:26:28 [adler]
no. I'm on dialup.
22:26:33 [Psychephylax]
lol
22:26:38 [Psychephylax]
Dialup
22:27:37 [adler]
verizon was supposed activate this line on Friday
22:27:48 [adler]
those fuckers with their ppoe
22:28:02 [adler]
s/pp/ppp/
22:28:33 [Psychephylax]
:)
22:28:48 [adler]
dinner time
22:28:55 [Psychephylax]
k bye bye
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23:40:20 [davb]
hi everyone!
23:40:33 [adler]
hi davb
23:41:47 [davb]
yeah! my DNS is updated. I can get to my own web site.
23:42:02 [davb]
Now, to upgrade to openacs 4
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23:46:59 [adler]
fantastic
23:48:02 [davb]
I never figured out the problem, instead I just moved the server to my house :)
23:53:06 [davb]
adler: i think thats the video where the amd melts...
23:53:29 [davb]
apparently if the fan fails, the cpu will cook itself in a second or two...
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* davb creates a new oracle database