00:00:09 Wouldn't that make it worse? 00:00:12 Aaah, my burns... 00:00:16 oops 00:00:20 * hazmat now knows their are fates worse than death 00:00:27 lol 00:01:38 AaronSw: That would automatically transform your burns into "Enterprise Burns" 00:02:12 Ooh. 00:02:16 But they still hurt. 00:02:18 Owwww! 00:02:20 i don't give a *bean* about your burns 00:02:53 You know, like saying that "Enterprise Collaboration Management" != "Toolkit for web communities" 00:07:52 talli has joined #openacs 00:08:10 hey guys 00:08:58 can someone comment on this page: http://fslc.usu.edu/forum2001/index2.html 00:09:28 looks good to me 00:10:03 I still need to add some content. 00:10:15 Any chance some of you will come to our OpenACS booth? 00:10:18 rbm: it comes out too wide for me. i have to scroll horizontally 00:10:38 vinod: Hmmm. I guess the top banner is a little too wide 00:11:15 looks cool otherwise! 00:11:33 vinod: I'm working on that 00:14:24 rbm: did you build this in a table? 00:14:50 vinod has quit 00:15:44 talli: Yes. I don't know any other way. 00:15:59 * rbm reiterates that his graphics abilities are comparable to those of an amoeba 00:16:00 yeah, that's the way to do it 00:16:22 did you specify the width of the table, though? in pixels? 00:17:09 I am now 00:17:39 i don't think you have to. 00:18:07 it works now, although the "keynote speaker" cell doesn't expand with the text beneath it 00:18:29 vinod has joined #openacs 00:20:01 back 00:20:06 Hi talli vinod 00:22:32 rbm: perfecto 00:22:42 ? 00:22:50 talli: grazi 00:23:06 Psychephylax: hey 00:23:20 looks good rbm 00:23:23 (or "gracias", depending whether you were speaking italian or spanish) 00:23:25 Someone send me an e-mail please 00:23:33 something isn't right 00:23:38 * rbm hands psyche an e-mail 00:23:42 I get 2 mails for the proice of one 00:23:47 nick@neverhere.com will work 00:24:00 davb has joined #OpenACS 00:24:08 hey davb! 00:24:16 Hello everyone! 00:24:23 Hi dave 00:24:49 hi dave 00:25:58 rofl 00:26:07 * Psychephylax reads Vinods email 00:26:16 Awwww, I was hoping to make money fast!!! 00:26:18 thought you'd like that 00:26:29 * Psychephylax feels cheated 00:26:53 Oh, I have almost a functional demo on my project! with OpenACS =) 00:26:57 * vinod promises to send Psychephylax my next MAKE MONEY FAST email 00:27:02 cool 00:27:09 send one to nblyumbe@optonline.net 00:27:25 Hmmmm 00:27:27 it does it! 00:27:28 WHYYYYY 00:27:56 Grrrrrrrrrr 00:28:00 ok 00:28:04 this is upsetting me 00:28:11 time to go purchase some new furniture 00:29:17 i'm going out to buy a new comfy chair for myself 00:29:31 bbl 00:31:54 i just got Beginning Databases with POstgreSQL 00:32:06 it has a secion explaining how to install PG on Win! 00:32:09 thank god! 00:32:16 i'll submit a review later 00:32:18 talli: why? 00:32:27 because i can't fucking do it 00:32:35 why did i get the book, you mean? 00:32:41 yes 00:32:41 because i don't know anything about dbs 00:32:56 lol, well you've come to the right place :) 00:33:30 bboard quote: my relational skills are so weak that i hesistate to suggest in front of such an august crowd 00:33:48 relational or relationship? 00:34:02 i don't think the openacs bboards is where you should go for lady advice, kapil... 00:34:16 ok, i gotta go scare some people. 00:34:17 darn 00:34:20 it's halloween! 00:34:22 later guys 00:34:27 talli has quit 00:34:28 cheers 00:47:30 vinod has quit 00:49:30 anyone here? 00:49:37 yeap 00:49:38 Hi 00:49:50 There are alot of postgresql books now. Well more than 5 00:50:00 I know it's lame to ask this, but take a look at http://fslc.usu.edu/forum2001/index2.html 00:50:12 and tell me if the headers are better in blue or greeen 00:50:31 The green matches the forum logo 00:50:43 davb: i've sent the latest workflow package. I didn't test the oracle version so I would appreciate any feedback. 00:50:43 Looks good to me. 00:50:53 k2pts: Ok. 00:51:04 davb: Do the headers look better in green or blue? 00:51:23 hmmm. 00:52:39 need to go off guys.bye. 00:52:40 The Forum Schedule looks good green. It looks ok with the green on the side and blue for Bruce Perens. 00:52:44 k2pts has left #openacs 00:52:44 Bye 00:54:12 hazmat has quit 00:54:19 I think I like the Green better, because the blue in the logo is the text not the background. So the header with green background and white text works better with that logo. 00:54:47 davb: okay. thanks. 00:54:55 np. 00:54:56 But leave the perens side as blue? 00:55:37 I think the blue might look better just blue text, with a white background similar to the top. 00:55:50 Or just use the same green background with white text. 00:55:52 :) 00:56:04 hmm 00:56:10 reload it now 00:56:39 it looks the same... 00:56:51 err. now :) 00:57:33 Ok. I think I like that better, but :) its the same size as the Forum Schedule so I am not sure which to look at first. 00:57:50 (its not a good idea to ask me for design advice, you might get more than you bargained for :) 00:58:04 You mean the font size is the same? 00:58:09 Yes. 00:58:22 Okay. Let me do some magic to make them different 00:58:43 heh. You should have Small, Medium, and Large in a hierachry of importance. 00:59:34 okay. Made them smaller 01:01:33 Thats good. 01:01:37 excellent 01:01:47 now I need to rephrase things 01:02:13 That is not my area of expertise:) It works good in a smaller window too. 01:02:28 heheh 01:03:21 * davb forgets his oracle passwords again! 01:04:12 That is a really cool event. 01:04:23 vinod has joined #openacs 01:04:28 We don't have anything like that around here. 01:04:41 I really do need to start a LUG. 01:05:06 Dumb oracle question. How can I see what databases are available? 01:05:36 select * from user_databases (I think) 01:13:19 hmm doesn't seem to work. Where is markd2 when you need him? 01:15:09 oh yeah, the dbpassword in in the aolserver config file :) 01:15:41 huh 01:15:46 s/huh/heh/ 01:16:09 The password and dbname I used lat time are in my aolserver config file. So I don't have to remember them :) 01:16:16 s/lat/last 01:22:18 graszew has joined #openacs 01:23:14 docwolf has joined #openacs 01:23:20 Hi graszew, docwolf 01:23:30 hola 01:23:58 hi 01:26:06 i installed winXP tonite 01:26:12 it was... umm... interesting 01:27:22 * vinod is wondering if docwolf is now flying around like the people in the commercials 01:27:36 haha 01:27:49 it is possibly the most disconcerting piece of software i've ever installed 01:28:20 it should be renamed "Stepford OS" 01:28:32 it's really pretty, tries to hold you hand throughout 01:28:33 markd2 has joined #openacs 01:28:34 but... 01:28:42 it's always doing weird shit in the background 01:28:51 constantly reaching out to the net 01:28:57 docwolf: oh really? 01:28:58 * markd2 constanly reaches out for mney 01:29:01 so, like windows randomly pop up 01:29:14 "i see that your DVD software may be out of date. Why don't you try this update" (with a link) 01:29:28 "Faster than a ray of light I woooonder... how much more I will be screwed by Microsnot" 01:29:47 it also tries to get you to sign up for a passport. 01:29:51 over and over again. 01:30:04 MSN-IM sits in the tray 01:30:11 docwolf: Of course. That's the whole point of XP. 01:30:13 by default... i have no idea how to turn it off. 01:30:48 and, like once an hour, a "cartoon bubble" will appear over it "to enjoy instant messenger, you must sign up for a passport. Passports are the most convenient way to surf the web. Sign up now!" (with a link) 01:31:33 I read that Windows Media Player purposefully degrades the quality of MP3s while playing them, to get people to switch to .wmf 01:31:35 persuasion by repetition 01:32:30 the whole "eXPerience" is really sort of creepy. I mean, it's a stable OS, seems to work about as well as Win2k, but... the surveillance aspect is unnerving. 01:33:18 I like how Michael Tieman put it: "Windows eXtra Proprietary" 01:33:42 have you tried installing netscape or AIM? 01:33:54 nope -- i'm scared to. :-) 01:33:57 haha 01:34:22 I'm not putting it on my primary machine. I just can't risk it. 01:34:32 "This browser does not allow us to fully screw you, therefore you can't use it. Click here to download Internet Explorer 6" 01:34:42 which is the bottom line, i suppose.... If I can't trust the OS, i can't really rely on it. 01:35:27 I have a feeling though that WinXP is a watershed release; it's probably got more mal-ware built in than any other OS in history. 01:35:39 I'm so sick of TechTV doing everything XP since Oct 25th 01:35:53 the thoughtful folks at the DOJ must have steam coming out their ears. 01:36:22 docwolf: Wha? The folks at the DOJ are enjoying every minute. Bush's on M$'s pay role. 01:37:45 haha. while some may be on the payroll, remember that the rank-and-file at the DOJ who actually built and prosecuted the case are still around, and probably very unhappy. 01:39:24 hi markd2. 01:39:39 The U.S. govt is the _only_ customer big enough to break the M$ crap. But they won't do it. 01:39:41 hiya 01:40:19 instead they keep saying "Bring it on baby!" 01:40:44 does anyone mind reminding me which environment variables I need for ORACLE? My oracle driver is not loading that libclntsh cannot be found. :) 01:40:46 rbm: m$ may self-destruct on their own. If they don't continue with 20% growth, their share price will go down. Once that happens, the plot begins to unravel. 01:41:03 docwolf: I wish that would be so. 01:41:17 they are also being hit from all sides, almost like the germans at the end of WWII. 01:41:25 I simply don't see a light at the end of the tunnel. Sometimes I'm ashamed of the industry I chose to be on. 01:41:35 the US gov't, Sun (StarOffice), any number of free/cheap UNIX clones, etc.. 01:41:42 davb: LD_LIBRARY_PATH 01:41:46 set it to $ORACLE_HOME/lib 01:42:12 it is. I wonder if its my RUN script for daemontools. That runs as ROOT right? 01:42:23 don't know 01:42:23 did docwolf just invoke godwin's law? ;-) 01:42:26 so I probably have to set it in there... 01:42:29 LOL 01:42:29 heh 01:42:32 haha 01:43:09 anyway, my final review of XP: "The stepford OS". Pretty, but really, really creepy. 01:43:38 docwolf: have you seen Mac OS X? 01:43:57 vinod: i've only played with it in a store 01:43:58 jerryasher has joined #openacs 01:44:04 i heard that there were alot of similarities - interface-wise 01:44:14 important safety tip 01:44:30 when you're debugging creating new members on a production site 01:44:34 remember to remove or disable those users 01:44:47 vinod: winXP looks sort of like a teletubbies cartoon 01:44:52 otherwise when the company decides to send their membership "amazing travel deals" 01:44:54 lol 01:44:58 you'll get 35 (and counting) messages 01:45:58 markd2: doh! 01:46:13 * markd2 unsubscribes to each on individually 01:46:38 hi jerryasher 01:46:47 Hi Dave. 01:47:09 hmmm. that did not help (adding export ORACLE_HOME etc... to the RUN script. 01:47:45 that's always fixed it fr me 01:48:04 on a page or a startup proc, do an ns_log notice [exec echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH] 01:48:11 and see what the process thinks its environment is 01:48:25 thanks! 01:48:41 back 01:49:41 bach 01:49:49 mozart 01:50:23 Mozart Rocks! 01:51:10 I kinda like Stravinski 01:51:28 The Marriage of Figaro is my favourite. 01:51:38 in the dorm, whenever the guys in the next room played stuff too loud, I'd put on the Rite of Spring 01:52:23 I like Hayden, Beethoven, Bach too 01:52:25 * davb forgets about it and runs AOLserver manually instead of with daemontools 01:52:40 I have returned chairless 01:52:46 oh no! 01:52:51 Indeed! 01:52:54 I am very upset 01:53:12 Anyone care to enlighten me with their chair expertise? 01:53:19 Freedom Chair 01:53:24 * davb gets the link 01:53:39 1) make sure it's under you 2) lower ass until it makes contact 3) recline 01:53:44 I am not paying 600$ for a chair 01:53:54 jerryasher is now known as ishmael 01:54:02 Psychephylax: how about $1000L 01:54:04 s/L/?/ 01:54:07 That is an incerdible chair! 01:54:15 ishmael is now known as queequeg 01:54:31 yah 01:54:39 And how will I justify paying 600$ for a chair? 01:54:50 * markd2 uses a folding metal chair 01:54:58 No seriosly :( 01:55:05 aerons hurt my back, no matter how I adjust them 01:55:09 I was thinking a nice leather chair with some sort of a tilt 01:55:13 markd2: is that the one you use for your wwf battles? 01:55:20 rofl 01:55:28 heh 01:55:39 actually, I'm serious about the folding metal chair (well, it has a little padding n it) 01:55:44 * vinod sits on his living room couch 01:55:46 the aD DC office kept a metal chair in the closet for my visit 01:55:49 visits 01:56:11 ok 01:56:24 I want to know why I get 2 e-mails for every one someone sends me 01:58:06 inflation 01:58:26 no 01:58:28 I got 4 this time 01:59:02 super-inflation? 02:00:39 I got mine at staples, $59 02:01:01 odd 02:01:02 graszew has quit 02:04:47 Psychephylax: "You keep saying that word, I do not think it means what you think it means" :) 02:05:33 inconceivable! 02:05:38 hah! 02:05:53 * davb is glad at least one person gets the reference :) 02:06:13 Yeah Oracle datamodel is loaded! 02:06:38 what word? odd? 02:07:28 yeah. 02:07:30 odd (d) 02:07:31 adj. odd·er, odd·est 02:07:32 Deviating from what is ordinary, usual, or expected; strange or peculiar: an odd name; odd behavior. See Synonyms at strange 02:07:35 heh 02:07:48 Apparently Psychephylax did not see Princess Bride 02:08:17 inconceivable! 02:08:23 2 days for Shrek to go to rental stores 02:08:51 We pre-ordered it. I hope it is shipped early. 02:08:56 heh 02:09:01 (on DVD, just got the player) 02:09:05 Cool 02:09:19 Dave, I demand you purchase the Simpsons 1st Season DVD =) 02:09:42 Oh yeah, I'll put it on the list. 02:10:30 My name is Homer Montoya. You killed my father. prepare to d... oooh, donuts! 02:10:39 haha 02:10:43 rotl 02:10:46 oops 02:11:27 hey vinod, you sign up for that loser conference yet? ;-) 02:11:47 docwolf: not yet - i don't think i'm gonna be able to make it :( 02:12:04 rofl 02:12:19 I'm going to learn Java on my own 02:12:27 docwolf: So, are you coming to this year's forum? :) 02:12:31 I didn't learn it well enough in college those no good bastards 02:12:41 I think I forgot Java already. it's been a while. 02:12:47 yeah 02:12:51 That's what I mean 02:12:54 I forgot what little of it I knew 02:13:02 Anyone have any good new music recommendations? (lets stay off topic if we can :) 02:13:09 rbm: when is the conference? i've got to goto this medical conference.. 02:13:12 my cousin has a wk off in december, so i'm gonna hang out with him in SF - can't take 2 wks off in a row :-) 02:13:14 Lots and lots of casting. Geesh. 02:13:21 docwolf: Nov. 15th. 02:13:51 docwolf: http://fslc.usu.edu/forum2001/index2.html 02:14:14 * vinod thinks docwolf should arrange an openacs social in florida during the middle of winter 02:14:20 :-) 02:14:22 heh 02:14:26 Hmm. Around the same time, is anyone visiting comdex this year? 02:14:27 NYC would be easier for me =) 02:14:48 I got Vinods phone number here! muahaha 02:14:59 Hey Vinod, I don't suppose you watch the Simpsons =) 02:15:40 vinod: isn't everyone afraid to come here? we're buried in anthrax, after all ;-) 02:15:56 Psychephylax: on occasion :-) 02:16:05 docwolf: anthrax shmanthrax - i'll bring cipro 02:16:11 queequeg: I was thinking of going to Comdex again 02:16:30 Comdex should be fascinating this year. 02:16:30 Have you ever seen the episode where homer steals Professor Frink's auto-dialer? 02:16:40 yup 02:16:41 docwolf: why? 02:16:47 rbm: but I think it's the same time as your conference 02:17:01 docwolf, yes why? 02:17:02 rbm: the industry is in the crapper, so it will be interesting to see how up/downbeat everyone is 02:17:14 queequeg: Comdex is Nov 12-16. Our forum is Nov. 15th only. I don't need to stay the whole week in Comdex. 02:17:20 last year it was still pretty packed, though the linux pavillion wasn't as crowded as i thought it would be. 02:17:37 s/in/at/ 02:18:48 has anyone checked out hotel vacancy for comdex? it's a good proxy for the activity level. 02:19:15 Not yet. I should too. I "won" a VIP pass to a conference being held at the same time 02:19:23 and I'm trying to determine if I should go or not. 02:19:45 It sounds like the most boring conference in the world. 02:19:52 It's entirely about CRM. 02:20:01 queequeg: it depends. I had a blast last year, b/c I was with a bunch of arsdigitans 02:20:09 and hung out with the ximian dudes (nat, etc.) 02:20:28 Well, see, that's why I'm asking here to see if anyone is going.... 02:20:28 if you know people, it's a huge amount of fun. Just go gamble. 02:21:18 queequeg is now known as starbucks 02:21:53 hmmm 02:21:55 that sounds great 02:22:08 mmm.. stimulants... 02:22:30 starbucks is now known as moby 02:22:34 see http://www.jargon.net/jargonfile/m/moby.html 02:23:02 I think I need to read the novel. 02:23:20 I read a few articles about the real story the novel is thought to be based on. 02:23:21 moby was also a file transfer protocol 02:24:04 (i'm ashamed to remember that fact..) 02:24:51 Wow things are bad. Someone just emailed me his resume looking for a job! 02:25:02 yow 02:25:13 * markd2 takes davb off his resume spam list 02:25:24 heh 02:26:34 vinod has quit 02:26:47 heh 02:28:22 Psychephylax: do you have the bladerunner dvd? 02:28:49 No, but in his memories he does. 02:28:56 nope 02:29:04 I have The Net though! 02:29:42 heh 02:29:50 * davb orders Blade Runner on DVD 02:31:09 and the Matrix... 02:32:13 vinod has joined #openacs 02:32:56 Hmmm. The Matrix 02:33:43 I already have both on VHS, but they are definitely movies to get on DVD 02:34:03 Hey! These guys understand RSS and the dublin core extension (because they print out the dates) 02:34:03 http://soapclient.com/RSS/RSS.sri?requestname=RSSGet&uri=http://www.theashergroup.com/demos/rss/openacs-forums.1.00.xml 02:34:24 Only folks I can find who print the date in the xml out correctly. 02:34:33 Interesting. 02:34:41 The Matrix DVD is _the_ best DVD I have. It has a ton of extra features. 02:34:53 Hopefully lots of extra shots of Trinity 02:35:05 excellent. 02:35:15 Ok what are other essential DVD's I need to get? 02:35:32 Pat Boone Carneige Hall VH-1 special 02:35:34 moby: what does everyone else do with the dates? 02:35:38 markd2: :) 02:35:57 * davb is sure markd2 has that one. Although he's not sure markd2 has a DVD player :) 02:36:10 * markd2 does not have a DVD player 02:36:11 yet 02:36:14 They drop them. In the RSS 0.91 spec, folks just jam the dates into the description. 02:36:16 The complete Prisoner is out on DVD now 02:36:22 and a B5 movie is coming out next month 02:36:39 But AaronSw convinced me to separate them out when doing RSS 1.0. 02:36:50 Aha. 02:37:00 Why moby? 02:37:01 The complete Prisoner, how many DVDs is that? 02:37:08 I mean, why's your nick moby? 02:37:10 10 maybe? 02:37:29 It was Ishmael, Queequeg and Starbucks. 02:37:43 Heh. 02:37:48 Daddy Starbucks 02:37:53 Little Orphan Annie Get Your Gun 02:38:15 * davb reloads the Oracle datamodel, 2nd time so far tonight! 02:38:23 There was something moby dickish going on today. I heard about it in several venues. 02:38:38 I am annoyed that IE is the only browser that can display XML. 02:38:48 that I have seen so far anyway. 02:39:03 It does do a nice job of it.... 02:39:04 make that 39 emails and counting... 02:40:03 First American edition published November 14, 1851 02:40:43 oh that's right 02:40:53 I didn't make the book connection with 'moby' befre 02:40:56 just the computer term 02:41:00