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01:42:55 <davb> Wow!
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01:43:15 <Spork> crap...I'm out of parentesis
01:43:23 <Spork> * Spork throws a & at Dave
01:43:58 <davb> I hate pl/pgsql
01:44:06 <davb> its possessed.
01:44:09 <Spork> Postgres or oracle?
01:44:15 <Spork> they all look the same to me
01:44:26 <davb> I have a function that works fine in psql but is broken in OpenACS
01:44:28 <davb> Postgresql.
01:44:36 <Spork> I'm not good at either
01:44:37 <Spork> lol
01:44:43 <Spork> * Spork waves a white flag taped to a spork
01:44:45 <davb> anyway, it doesn't give an error. It is supposed to delete a row, but it just doesn't.
01:44:48 <Spork> i surrender
01:44:58 <Spork> Have you tried doing this at the console?
01:45:01 <davb> I am just complaining now anyway.... I'll fix it later
01:45:07 <davb> Yeah. psql. it works fine.
01:45:16 <davb> I hate when that happens.
01:45:17 <Spork> odd
01:54:58 <Spork> bah
01:55:01 <Spork> I don't want to write this
01:55:15 <davb> I also hate when that happens
01:55:17 <davb> what is it?
01:55:41 <Spork> My boss asked me to write a status report and why this tool as well as I am a valuable asset to the company
01:55:47 <Spork> * Spork never did this type of a thing
01:56:00 <davb> ack!
01:56:51 <davb> Well you'll have to learn sometime...
01:58:47 <Spork> I make good software
01:58:49 <Spork> I need job
01:58:50 <Spork> you keep me
01:58:53 <Spork> :/
02:00:31 <davb> heh
02:00:53 <Spork> no good?
02:00:55 <davb> Well did anyone do a schedule or anything for this project when it started?
02:01:02 <Spork> no
02:01:07 <davb> ack
02:01:15 <Spork> don't get me started on THAT
02:01:30 <davb> ok. anyway it doesn't matter if the software is good or not, just what benefits it will bring to the company
02:01:39 <davb> how it will make or save money.
02:01:59 <Spork> ahh good idea
02:02:12 <davb> Thats the valuable part. 
02:02:12 <Spork> ok, I s'pose I will start writing
02:02:39 <davb> good luck
02:02:55 <Spork> you leaving?
02:03:05 <Spork> Must be party night for Dave ;)
02:03:33 <davb> nah. I have to do some photoshop stuff.
02:03:41 <Spork> ah
02:03:52 <davb> I have 2 kids, I barely remember HOW to party...
02:06:24 <Spork> hah
02:07:11 <Spork> i have 0 kids and I don't know how to party
02:07:13 <Spork> dont' feel alone
02:08:25 <davb> heh. Obviously not if you are writing a status doc at 10:17 on saturday night :)
02:08:39 <Spork> uhh huh
02:08:51 <Spork> Hey, not my fault my best friend works insane hours from 2 am to 12noon
02:09:55 <Spork> how do I start the damn thing
02:10:11 <Spork> We don't even have a name for this thing !
02:10:21 <Spork> How do I refer to my "project"
02:10:22 <Spork> lol
02:10:33 <docwolf> yo
02:10:37 <Spork> hello
02:10:38 <docwolf> welcome to club loser.
02:10:40 <docwolf> population: us
02:10:51 <Spork> uh huh
02:10:55 <docwolf> :-)
02:11:01 <docwolf> i'm here watching The Who
02:11:05 <Spork> more like geeks with no alternative things to do
02:11:28 <Spork> I still have a PreLab to do by Monday, read up on my CVS
02:11:46 <Spork> a Homework due Tuesday and a databases project 
02:12:23 <Spork> I should be a true manager...outsource
02:12:27 <davb> heh
02:12:42 <Spork> Anyone willing to do an E-R diagram for 50$?
02:13:03 <Spork> :)
02:13:06 <davb> Spork: thats it!
02:13:11 <Spork> What's it?
02:13:21 <davb> A web site that spits out E-R diagrams.
02:13:31 <davb> Take credit cards. You'd be all set.
02:13:35 <Spork> * Spork checks dave's insanity meter
02:13:39 <Spork> off the chart...
02:14:10 <Spork> * Spork smacks dave around a bit...Now, start making sense
02:14:22 <Spork> ok, anyone wanna give me a spiffy name for my project?
02:15:25 <davb> ok. Cablevision-on-ice?
02:15:29 <Spork> lol
02:15:30 <Spork> nope
02:15:39 <Spork> actually
02:15:44 <Spork> that might be reality soon
02:16:07 <Spork> the DHG project they spend at least a billion dollars on and the quality of their digital cable is not very good
02:16:24 <Spork> it skips
02:16:28 <Spork> hmmm
02:16:29 <Spork> question
02:16:49 <Spork> is there a way to add yourself to some sort of a list so you don't get logged?
02:17:09 <Spork> i just realized I shouldn't be saying some things in here especially if my boss ever finds these logs :)
02:17:18 <davb> uh no. 
02:17:21 <davb> loggy, off
02:17:28 <davb> that works.
02:17:30 <Spork> loggy off
02:17:34 <Spork> heh
02:17:37 <Spork> loggy go sleep :P
02:18:06 <Spork> I got an optical mouse for my KVM
02:18:16 <Spork> No more mouse pads and worrying about sliding off the mouse pad
02:18:25 <Spork> I have cool mouse pads
02:18:28 <Spork> custom made :)
02:18:42 <Spork> And not those crappy quality ones that start to fade in a month 
02:19:02 <davb> Photoshop 6 in win98se with 192mb of RAM takes 5-10 secs for each mouse click. this sucks.
02:19:11 <Spork> ummm
02:19:14 <Spork> what processor speed?
02:19:36 <davb> AMD K62-400
02:19:42 <Spork> ah
02:19:47 <Spork> but that's still too slow
02:19:57 <davb> Aha i see the problem. I am using 250mb or RAM or so...
02:20:10 <Spork> just for photoshop?
02:20:12 <Spork> Jebus!
02:20:15 <davb> No for everything.
02:20:27 <davb> A clean win98 uses about 150MB
02:20:53 <Spork> Ummmm
02:21:03 <Spork> That's too much
02:21:09 <Spork> You sure it's that much?
02:21:36 <Spork> I have Win2K with 640 megs and a Win98Se box with 384...Everything runs fine usually
02:21:44 <davb> Maybe a little lower, over 100 MB. At least according to the System Monitor. I have tried on a fresh install.
02:22:00 <Spork> I wouldn't believe the system monitor
02:22:08 <Spork> it's probably as buggy as the rest of windows
02:22:35 <davb> yeah.
02:22:39 <Spork> Right now I have Photoshop open and it uses 30 megs
02:22:51 <Spork> on Win2K
02:22:59 <davb> I know. I closed photoshop and I am down to about 200 MB used.
02:23:07 <davb> I am running MIRC and Outlook express.
02:23:32 <davb> WOW. Outlook express is using like 10MB
02:23:43 <davb> I'll check my email in Linux from now on.
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02:24:39 <Spork> I'm running way more than that
02:24:40 <Spork> wb
02:25:09 <davb> Yeah. I should put 2000 on here one of these days. I want to get a spare HD to backup my crap first.
02:25:39 <Spork> yeah
02:28:17 <Spork> I should really use Linux more 
02:28:23 <Spork> but I don't know for what =)
02:29:15 <davb> If I didn't do graphics, I would never leave. But that is because all the web and tcl hacking I do runs in Linux.
02:30:03 <Spork> yeah for scripting I would be using Linux
02:30:06 <Spork> but I don't have to script yet
02:30:15 <Spork> Well, not home at least
02:35:19 <Spork> what to write...what to write
02:48:57 <Spork> * Spork comes up with nothing
02:55:35 <Spork> I'm gonna go sleep
02:55:40 <Spork> I've been going to sleep too late
02:55:44 <Spork> I need to catch up
02:55:56 <Spork> * Spork detaches himself with a spork
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14:24:58 <davb> Spork: someone else is loading Scotty into AOLserver.
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14:53:10 <davb> hey markd2
14:58:02 <markd2> 'moring
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15:25:31 <talli> mornign guys
15:25:50 <markd2> greetings
15:27:51 <davb> Hi talli
15:28:06 <davb> Can anyone recommend a good place to buy RAM?
15:29:12 <Spork> yea
15:29:24 <Spork> online ok?
15:29:28 <davb> yep.
15:29:41 <Spork> Here's my collection of online shopping places:
15:29:47 <markd2> SporksRAMfromOldMachines.com
15:29:51 <Spork> http://www.newegg.com
15:29:52 <chump> A: http://www.newegg.com from Spork
15:30:03 <davb> heh
15:30:07 <Spork> A:| A very cheap high quality Place to buy computer hardware
15:30:07 <chump> titled item A
15:30:09 <davb> thats OK, my machine is old.
15:30:18 <Spork> arg
15:32:01 <Spork> I highly recommend NewEgg
15:32:18 <davb> that have good shipping rates. The place I looked was $15.00
15:32:24 <Spork> Their prices are cheap, shipping is cheap as well and they use FedEx so you get it in 2-3 days
15:32:30 <davb> cool.
15:33:00 <Spork> I've gotten a cd burner and some digital cam memory from them
15:33:18 <Spork> krex is good too...I got memory from them
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15:36:18 <talli> i have had good experiences with outpost.com, but they are going out of business and i believe that frys is buying their assets
15:36:34 <talli> if customer service is what you seek, run when you hear the name Frys
15:37:12 <talli> it's almost laughable how bad they are. but the cool thing is that there are so many hardcore geeks at the store that someone will help you - they just won't be paid for doing it
15:41:57 <davb> thanks guys
15:50:12 <Spork> heh
15:50:27 <Spork> egghead.com/onsale.com also got bought out by Fry's
15:51:06 <Spork> I stick to NewEgg for cheap expensive items and CompUSA for expensive cheap items
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15:53:42 <talli> i don't know if eggheda actually got bught
15:53:44 <talli> you sure?
15:53:56 <talli> i think they were going to take egghead, but then instead got ready to take outpost
15:54:08 <talli> however, i did hear that they were going to take both for a nickel of something
15:54:11 <talli> i wouldn't doubt it
15:54:36 <Spork> I got an email from the ceo saying we're chapter 11 getting bought by Fry's or another place and if you don't want your info passed on bail out "here" 
15:54:55 <Spork> So I'm not 100% sure but oh well
15:55:04 <Spork> I have to find a cheap K6-2 500 now
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15:56:46 <talli> i bought a couple of K6-2 500s for about 500 bucks about a year and a half ago
15:56:52 <talli> i don't even know if they still sells them
15:56:55 <talli> sell them
15:57:10 <Spork> sure do
15:57:15 <Spork> Krex does
15:57:22 <Spork> I can get a 500 for 35 from them
15:57:35 <Spork> or a 550 for same from Econopc
15:57:42 <Spork> So I don't know whom to buy it from
15:57:49 <Spork> I trust Krex more since I bought from them before
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16:01:57 <Spork> Hola Ola
16:02:36 <ola> hey Spork!
16:05:43 <davb> Spork: i don't think it matters too much...
16:05:58 <davb> hi ola
16:06:43 <Spork> heh
16:07:00 <Spork> ok, I s'pose I can hold off until I get my 1.2 Athlon MP setup
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16:07:46 <ola> hey davb!
16:10:17 <ola> davb: are you done with static-pages or do you have miles to go?
16:11:24 <ola> (just curious)
16:12:54 <davb> ola: nope. almost though
16:13:24 <davb> I have a function that works in psql but not openacs. It doesn't error though.
16:13:41 <davb> It is supposed to delete records from that static_pages table, but nothing happens.
16:13:48 <davb> I will look at it later...
16:14:54 <davb> After that it IS done, except for Oracle testing and hooking into search.
16:17:34 <ola> cool. so it will make it into beta (first half of November), I take it...
16:19:19 <davb> yes, i hope so.
16:19:54 <davb> I plan on using it to index the chump pages for searching.
17:15:07 <ola> and I plan on using it heavily too. my brother is writing a "world-history book" for our site, so being able to search all that text would be gold.
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21:54:42 <rbm> bye
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22:02:21 <rbm> hi
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22:04:27 <rbm> dey don, davb
22:04:32 <davb> Hi
22:04:36 <rbm> s/dey/hey/
22:04:38 <donb> Hey folks, what's up?
22:04:50 <donb> I just finished porting the "Directory" package ...
22:05:01 <rbm> I jsut found out about thenew AOLserver.com site and overhauled documentation. Pretty cool.
22:05:17 <rbm> donb: nice
22:05:22 <rbm> brb
22:06:09 <Spork> bah
22:06:21 <donb> Hey, you're right, I didn't know about that, looks good (I just took a look)
22:06:22 <Spork> Hi Don, Dave 
22:06:32 <donb> Who's "Spork"?
22:06:35 <Spork> lol
22:06:40 <Spork> You ask that every time you come here
22:06:49 <Spork> Spork is a utensil developed by Taco Bell
22:07:02 <Spork> Or a developer with OpenACS4.0
22:07:07 <Spork> We can't figure it out yet
22:07:16 <donb> I do?  I don't come often ... ahh, a spork can do anything so that means I can assign you everything?
22:07:23 <Spork> no
22:07:27 <donb> damn
22:07:29 <Spork> My boss already got that part
22:07:43 <Spork> I'm the designer, junior developer, senior developer, dba and everything else you can name
22:07:49 <donb> Roberto - any luck with the docs?
22:09:35 <donb> I guess I chased him away ...
22:09:36 <davb> Ok dumb question of the day. I have a delete statement in a pl/pgsql function static_page__delete that deletes the entry in the static_pages table. When the function is run from OpenACS the row is never deleted and I don't get an error message. If I call static_page__delete(static_page_id) with the exact same id from psql it works. Any ideas?
22:09:38 <davb> heh
22:09:51 <rbm> donb: Trying things with them right now
22:10:15 <donb> Cool - I'm looking forward to playing with jade...
22:11:01 <Spork> Still at it dave?
22:11:02 <donb> Dave - two possibilities.  The row's not visible in the current transaction (not likely) or something is causing the transaction to rollback, but that should trigger an error.
22:12:09 <donb> You can use the "raise" statement in your static_page__delete proc and do a "getdiagnostics" to get the number of rows the delete thinks it deleted to get a handle on whether or not the delete's not seeing the row or is getting rolled back afterwards.
22:12:28 <donb> (I'm not sure of the "getdiagnostics" syntax or even the exact keyword off the top of my head, though)
22:12:43 <davb> great! thanks. I'll find it now that I know what to look for,
22:13:00 <donb> "raise" is the PL/pgSQL equivalent of "ns_log" ... 
22:13:13 <donb> (though "raise error" really raises and error, too)
22:14:15 <donb> "an error" sheesh...
22:16:40 <donb> OK, I just looked at the PL/pgSQL doc ... it's:
22:16:55 <donb> GET DIAGNOSTICS <integer_variable> = ROW_COUNT;
22:17:05 <donb> Then you can just do:
22:17:26 <donb> RAISE NOTICE "Number of rows deleted: %", <integer_variable>
22:17:30 <donb> Slick, huh?
22:17:57 <davb> great.
22:18:28 <rbm> get diagnostics is nice
22:19:26 <davb> windows.......98........must.....re...boot.......
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22:21:47 <donb> I'm going to take off, too ... have fun, folks...
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22:22:16 <Spork> lol
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22:45:16 <Spork> that was one long reboot
22:50:20 <davb> yeah, norton disk mangler got stuck...
22:52:33 <Spork> heh
22:52:36 <Spork> I hate that ;P
22:52:41 <Spork> I cleaned my hard drives
22:52:47 <Spork> I got rid of 15 gigs worth of crap
22:53:49 <Spork> now if I go through and find duplicates of my mp3s I can definetly get about 200 megs more ;/
22:55:14 <rbm> moo
22:56:12 <davb> I am going to upgrade to Win 2000 I think. Or just get a Mac.
22:56:46 <davb> I went to the new Apple store today.
22:57:22 <rbm> davb: upgrade to Linux :)
22:58:08 <rbm> When i had my win98 box I rarely had to reboot it.
22:58:18 <rbm> Granted, it was never up for more than a day, but still.
22:59:31 <rbm> a MAC address?
22:59:38 <rbm> errr
23:00:53 <davb> Oh yeah. I only use Windows for graphics. Now that I have enough RAM I am much more efficient in Photoshop, etc...
23:01:55 <rbm> I thought you used MSN IM too. Or was that Talli?
23:02:24 <Spork> you got more ram?
23:04:15 <davb> must be talli. He has every communication medium, msn, aol, irc, email, etc...
23:04:39 <davb> Yeah. I just went to Best Buy. My lame motherboard only take 128M SDRAM and it was on sale.
23:35:31 <Spork> ah
23:36:08 <Spork> I have every form of communication as well: AIM, MSN, IRC, ICQ, email WAP mail
23:36:57 <Spork> It comes in handy
23:36:57 <Spork> I send e-mails when I'm bored in class