00:04:29 If anyone is interested, I now have a copy of Jplot's .jar and documentationt 00:25:46 davb has joined #OpenACS 00:31:34 GEM_ has joined #openacs 00:31:40 rbm: is there rc.local or equivilant on Debian? 00:33:04 rbm_ has joined #openacs 00:34:05 GEM has quit 00:36:03 Disconnected from irc.openprojects.net (Connection reset by peer) 00:36:06 loggy has joined #openacs 00:36:06 Users on #openacs: @loggy 00:36:28 AaronSw has joined #openacs 00:36:28 rbm has joined #openacs 00:36:28 davb has joined #openacs 00:36:28 GEM_ has joined #openacs 00:36:28 rbm_ has joined #openacs 00:36:29 This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ and blogged: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog 00:37:04 chump has joined #openacs 00:40:17 rbm has quit 00:48:14 cd-recording commencing 00:51:00 go davb! go! 00:51:11 rbm_ is now known as rbm 00:51:29 I wonder for how long I was out of the channel 00:51:59 You didn't miss anything. 00:52:06 at least in this one. 00:53:23 these lectures are in RealMedia format. is there any player besides realplayer? 00:54:17 aha. a debian package 00:56:36 The debian package is just to help you install it. You still need to download the binary from real.com 00:56:55 The package will setup paths and put the binaries/libs in the right places. 01:05:18 Spork has joined #openacs 01:05:30 * Spork sporks his cable modem 01:05:34 my IP changed ;( 01:11:21 :( 01:12:08 is there a way to comment a block of TCL code? 01:12:12 I know # does one line 01:12:15 I wanna surround blocks 01:16:34 hmmm. I don't think so. 01:17:47 damn 01:17:53 I must have broken something while I was driving home 01:17:57 it doesn't work anymore :( 01:18:29 missing close-brace: possible unbalanced brace in comment 01:18:29 while compiling 01:18:31 "uplevel" 01:21:48 You're missing a } 01:22:37 hmmm 01:22:52 * Spork takes a closer look 01:25:31 ok 01:25:40 If i have those in a comment it shouldn't matter right? 01:27:35 ack segmentation fault in realplayer 01:27:39 heh 01:27:59 Dave, it doesn't matter if you have an odd number of { in a comment, right? 01:28:40 yeah the CD works 01:28:43 no idea. it might. 01:29:19 arg 01:29:35 I don't think so. 01:29:53 I have commented out code blocks that included { 01:29:54 or } 01:29:56 this code is broken somehow 01:31:20 Wow, realplayer works very well in linux. 01:32:10 In fact It looks better than windows. 01:34:12 arg 01:34:14 bbl 01:42:42 * Spork curses out TCL 01:47:57 any recommendations where I can get some good streaming audio? Live365 is down... 01:49:38 Spinner.com 01:49:47 cool 01:50:24 davb: are running debian sid? 01:50:36 If so, I get segfault too. I should not have upgraded my glibc :( 01:51:10 Odd 01:51:28 maybe I got moved to the St. James UBR...I fixed my script but it's not finding my modem 01:51:33 Saying it's offline 01:51:39 But I sure as hell hope I am not offline 01:51:54 rbm: yes, but I ran it again and it worked fine, a couple of times. 01:52:32 heh. if you modem is offline, it can't check to see if its online... 01:53:06 exactly dave 01:53:35 my ip did change though and I can't run NewPing from home 01:53:39 I have to be at work 01:53:53 ack 01:54:12 I had to adjust my domain to point to the new one 01:54:31 cool, spinner works pretty good. 01:54:44 yah 01:54:45 I like it 01:54:51 I use it at work and home :) 01:54:59 Nice 01:55:03 cars that brake for us 01:55:08 ok...I fixed the script 01:55:11 now I have to fix my speakers 01:55:12 brb 01:55:39 I like freeamp, but I can't get it to play streams, just CDs 01:56:54 ?!?!?!? 01:57:03 All of a sudden a bunch of lines scrolled up? 01:57:28 not here... execpt Spork and my conversation.. 01:59:32 You lagging mate 02:01:14 * rbm is lagging 02:01:55 you guys think I should learn my math if I eventually want to learn CS? 02:02:12 Define math 02:02:29 I can tell you exactly what I learned in 3.5 years 02:02:40 calculus, linear algebra, etc... 02:02:54 Math is g00d 02:03:09 It helps a lot in developing logical thinking. 02:03:16 yes math is good 02:03:17 I was afraid you'd say that. I have to relearn all this crap. 02:03:21 but also depends on what kind of math 02:03:39 Yeah. Usually math from math depts suck. The engineering depts have much better math teachers :) 02:03:48 Well I want to get back up to calculus. I am starting at algebra. 02:04:10 Actually I learned NO math from math teachers except my college calculus profressor. But that was 10 years ago or so. 02:04:11 if you're doing graphics...definetly learn linear algebra 02:04:16 Discreet Math is good too. 02:04:23 yes 02:04:32 I'll be honest with you 02:04:50 Basically I want to be able to understand what David McCusker is saying...http://www.treedragon.com and I think the math will help me with the rest of it. 02:04:52 I took, Linear Algebra, Logic, Calc 1,2,3, Discrete Math 1,2 02:05:09 I took pretty much the same as Spork 02:05:17 Out of those 02:05:21 LA - graphics 02:05:41 Discrete Math - general programming concepts like Finite State Automata, Turing machines and all the other fun stuff 02:05:46 set theory, number theory 02:05:53 that I need. 02:05:56 I took Applied Algebra, Probability Theory 02:06:17 Analysis of Algorithms 02:06:27 Logic was too deep for me 02:06:51 I got an A- but that was for my stunning looks...lol...nah, I just wrote a good paper at the end and there was only like 12 kids taking it 02:07:06 can't really fail 10% of your class 02:07:09 * rbm sporks Spork 02:07:13 ouch! 02:07:15 well looks like I'll need it then if I want to really understand this stuff. 02:07:55 I wish I had decided 10 years ago to be a programmer. I said for the longest time, nah I don't want to be a programmer... oops 02:08:09 heh 02:08:14 I'm the other way 02:09:04 I had been surrounded by computers for almost my whole life. I guess I wanted to try something else. 02:11:14 Spork has quit 02:11:50 Spork has joined #openacs 02:16:43 * rbm hopes his wife gets back so they can go out on a date 02:17:25 Iawww 02:18:29 should I need to be root to do cdrecording? 02:18:40 davb: yes 02:19:09 ok, just seems unecessary coming from a windows background. 02:24:14 heh 02:24:21 It's possible to burn without being root 02:27:02 If you make a bunch of stuff suid 02:27:08 Which I don't like. 02:27:15 no 02:27:20 No? 02:27:20 If you set it up as root once 02:27:29 xcdroast I think has directions 02:27:36 bah. Don't use xcdroast. 02:27:48 aha. I'll check it out. Actually I just like cdrecord. I don't need anything else. 02:28:01 of course I am just copying cds 02:29:40 this is a million times better than adaptec easy cd creator 02:29:59 anything is better that hard cd creator 02:30:06 s/hard cd/frisbee/ 02:30:11 he 02:30:15 s/he/heh 02:30:19 * rbm is out of here 02:30:23 ttyl guys 02:30:27 bye 02:30:45 Just what I wanted, to spend friday night with Spork 02:30:48 :) 02:32:36 lol 02:32:43 ok spork,any good source of music for linux users? 02:45:11 good source? 02:45:13 What kind of music? 02:45:48 modern rock, alternative. I mean like streaming audio internet radio kinda thing. 02:48:41 hey cool I found one that works. 02:53:35 oh 02:53:40 I thought you wanted mp3s 02:54:01 nah. I could find 'em if I really wanted to. 02:54:03 :) 02:54:56 Actually I just figured out how to get shoutcast streams into freeamp 02:55:41 but thanks if you expended any effort looking! 02:57:48 eh? 02:58:04 No, I was just going to point you at my mp3 web exposed cache 02:58:38 I'll have to wait until I get that new harddrive... 03:02:01 k 03:15:24 s/by/in/ 03:17:44 GEM_ has quit 03:17:44 chump has quit 03:17:44 AaronSw has quit 03:17:44 davb has quit 03:20:36 AaronSw has joined #openacs 03:20:36 davb has joined #openacs 03:20:36 GEM_ has joined #openacs 03:20:36 chump has joined #openacs 03:26:15 heh 03:26:15 ok 03:31:44 GEM_ has quit 03:31:44 chump has quit 03:31:44 AaronSw has quit 03:31:44 davb has quit 03:31:44 Spork has quit 03:31:44 rbm has quit 03:32:07 rbm has joined #openacs 03:32:07 Spork has joined #openacs 03:39:47 GEM_ has joined #openacs 03:39:49 AaronSw has joined #openacs 03:39:49 chump has joined #openacs 05:00:08 rbm has quit 05:52:55 chump has quit 05:52:55 AaronSw has quit 05:52:55 Spork has quit 05:52:55 GEM_ has quit 05:53:19 Spork has joined #openacs 05:53:19 GEM_ has joined #openacs 05:53:21 AaronSw has joined #openacs 05:53:21 chump has joined #openacs 05:53:33 This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ and blogged: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog 06:35:10 abbaJ has joined #openacs 06:47:02 abbaJ has quit 06:53:30 abbaJ has joined #openacs 06:54:20 lol 06:54:33 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1286075085 06:54:33 A: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1286075085 from Spork 06:54:40 A: 06:54:41 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1286075085 06:55:00 A:| would you like to buy a Terribile book? 06:55:21 A: A mildly amusing eBay auction (Note the author's name) 06:55:58 titled item A 06:55:59 commented item A 07:09:05 abbaJ has quit 07:16:05 abbaJ has joined #openacs 09:15:03 chump has quit 09:16:04 chump has joined #openacs 10:47:43 abbaJ has quit 10:50:28 abbaJ has joined #openacs 11:21:55 abbaJ has quit 11:49:58 AaronSw has quit 11:49:58 Spork has quit 11:49:58 GEM_ has quit 11:49:58 chump has quit 12:12:10 davb has joined #OpenACS 12:13:23 Spork has joined #openacs 12:13:23 GEM_ has joined #openacs 12:36:36 chump has joined #openacs 13:45:28 AaronSw has joined #openacs 13:45:46 This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ and blogged: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog 15:05:37 AaronSw has quit 15:05:38 AaronSw has joined #openacs 15:06:18 Disconnected from irc.openprojects.net (Connection reset by peer) 15:06:51 loggy has joined #openacs 15:06:51 Users on #openacs: loggy AaronSw davb chump GEM_ Spork 15:06:54 This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ and blogged: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog 15:36:32 ola has joined #openacs 15:42:13 hi ola 15:42:27 hi davb! 15:42:42 what's up? 15:43:31 not too much. working a little on static-pages. making cookies, etc... 15:54:14 abbaJ has joined #openacs 15:54:20 nice! I'm watching soccer when I should really be cleaning the apartment...my family are coming over tomorrow... 15:56:34 ola: who's playing? 15:56:53 ola: I just got satellite and I'm loving it, for the first time in my life I can watch soccer 16:12:49 well, it was a match from the scottish league. Celtic beat Dundee United, 5 goals to 1. 16:14:03 ey 16:14:07 beer all around 16:14:15 cookies? 16:14:27 * Spork steals some cookies from Dave while he's not looking to keep Mark helping 16:14:55 ola: what channel did you watch that on? Fox world sports? 16:15:32 abbaJ: no. swedish TV4. 16:15:38 ahh 16:15:55 I have to clean my room 16:16:04 there's a channel I have, that has games from tons of leagues 16:16:13 I watched the celtics play the other day 16:16:21 * Spork gets very pointy and starts jumping up and down like a pogo stick getting lots of things on his 'orks 16:18:10 abbaJ: did you notice Henke Larsson? he's one of celtics best players and also from sweden... 16:18:29 ola: I didn't, but I'll watch for him next time they're on 16:18:35 heh 16:18:51 to tell you the truth 16:19:01 I don't notice almost any players 16:19:13 b/c usually it's the first time i've seen the teams who are playing 16:23:18 I see. Henke once looked like Bob Marley but he cut his hair, so the only similarity left between the two is the quality of their performance;-) 16:25:48 docwolf has joined #openacs 16:25:51 abbaJ has quit 16:31:40 graszew has joined #openacs 16:31:54 Hi docwolf 16:31:58 and graszew 16:32:06 hi 16:32:11 hi 16:36:15 abbaJ has joined #openacs 16:37:22 Can I use multiple instances of an Openacs4 package with different templates? 16:38:39 yes, if you mount them under individual subsites. 16:40:15 s/individual/separate 16:41:08 thanks 16:57:55 What is .LRN? is it a few modified/brand new OACS4 modules, a bussword invented to hype OACS4 + PG/Oracle or what is it?? 16:58:16 ..and does anyone know which modules are involved? portals, unified bboard(?)...what else? 16:59:48 Its a rebuild of ACES using OpenACS. I am not sure what modules are involved though. Probably most of them along with some new ones. 17:00:04 abbaJ has quit 17:00:07 have you seen the website they setup? Its just one page so far. 17:02:04 yes I saw it. 17:02:23 so we will basically have two toolkits to choose from? 17:04:33 abbaJ has joined #openacs 17:06:44 Not exactly. DotLRN is an application of OpenACS. It is a pre-customized system. Preselected pacakges that do something useful out of the box. 17:07:04 Hopefully people will develop other prepackaged applications. 17:08:45 heh 17:08:46 like me? 17:10:50 Yes. Are you going to release your finished app? 17:10:57 ummm 17:11:08 not your choice obviously... 17:11:24 If i edit out all cablevision related information...then mebbe 17:11:43 for all I know my boss might wanna hit @Home up for a deal for them to buy it 17:11:44 lol 17:11:49 heh 17:11:59 right. that is the other option. 17:12:23 I'm just coding it 17:12:26 I'm shocked 17:12:34 I didn't think I'd be able to make this much progress with it 17:13:10 I'm the designer, senior developer, junior developer, dba, q/a and whatever else I left out 17:13:47 my box rules 17:30:35 davb: anyway, it's going to be interesting to see what they've accomplished - my expectations are high... 17:32:41 abbaJ has quit 17:32:52 me too. Anyway great applications will be good for all OpenACS developers. 17:47:11 abbaJ has joined #openacs 17:57:21 abbaJ has quit 17:58:29 donb has joined #openacs 17:59:48 hi donb! 18:00:59 hello donb 18:02:05 hola sir don 18:07:53 abbaJ has joined #openacs 18:08:47 Hey, folks, you are around - I switched desktops for a moment there... 18:09:22 People working or are people playing? (I'm playing) 18:09:50 I am fooling around with WiKit as a desktop app. 18:10:59 What's WiKit? 18:12:23 Its the Wiki application implemented in Tcl using MetaKit for storage. The Tclers Wiki runs on it. 18:13:09 Oh, I see. 18:14:19 Actually I've gotta run, just thought I'd check in to see if there was anything interesting going on. aD dirt ... INS horror stories ... that kind of thing. 18:14:27 See y'all later! 18:14:30 donb has quit 18:31:32 abbaJ has quit 18:47:40 ola: I've next question about templates. I have two separete instances of bboard (/bboard and /subsite/bboard). But I can't find out, how to make so these instances will use different templates. Please, enlighten it on me. 18:53:27 abbaJ has joined #openacs 19:09:17 graszew has quit 19:13:42 abbaJ has quit 19:16:22 abbaJ has joined #openacs 19:47:23 abbaJ has quit 20:01:58 abbaJ has joined #openacs 20:05:59 abbaJ has quit 20:11:15 idware has joined #openacs 20:12:35 quick Question: will AOLServer not serve pages if using an empty database from pgsql? 20:26:14 with OpenACS? 20:26:22 or just AOLserver? 20:33:45 abbaJ has joined #openacs 20:34:10 oh im back.. openacs 20:34:35 You should get the Welcome, please click here to install the datamodel screen. 20:34:57 I am not sure if anything else can get served until you do that. 20:34:58 can not get any pages and the only errors refer to the database being empty etc. 20:35:19 hmmm. hang on... 20:35:32 it has listening on 192.168.0.3:80 etc 20:36:22 What is the exact database error message? 20:37:02 although even if the postgres driver doesn't load, you should get a page saying so. 20:37:03 this is the first onew 20:37:07 Notice: Querying 'select count(*) from robots;' 20:37:07 [21/Oct/2001:06:51:38][1306.2051][-sched-] Error: Ns_PgExec: result status: 7 message: ERROR: Relation 'robots' does not exist[ 20:37:31 it gets longish so i won't paste it all 20:38:43 there isn't a openacs default DB i need is there 20:40:58 nmap shows port 80 is open as well 20:42:11 nkd has joined #openacs 20:42:40 nkd has left #openacs 20:45:27 ok. Its running the wrong code apparently. Did you have openacs installed before? 20:45:44 idware_ has joined #openacs 20:47:07 idware_ has left #openacs 20:47:12 idware_ has joined #openacs 20:47:59 idware has quit 20:50:10 ummm 20:51:05 brb 20:51:06 Spork has quit 20:52:12 Spork has joined #openacs 20:52:16 ;) 20:54:50 the docs have nothing on this error im having nor the forum( that i can see) 20:55:05 did you install openacs before? 20:55:15 abbaJ has quit 20:55:16 im running out of things to do 20:55:21 no first time 20:55:25 also is the database named properly in the tcl config file for the server? 20:55:46 can you post you log somewhere on the web for me to look at? if not you can email it to me. 20:56:21 all settings are fine 20:56:56 whats your email 20:56:59 I just restarted aolserver with a clean database and I didn't see anything like your message 20:57:04 dave@thedesignexperience.org 20:57:09 cheers 21:09:50 abbaJ has joined #openacs 21:22:16 idware_: duh. I expected you were running OpenACS 4. OK I need to realign my brain a minute... 21:23:20 idware, you need to read the OpenACS install docs. You need to load the datamodel yourself. 21:23:28 OpenACS 4 installs in from the web page. 21:24:14 easier just to intall v4? 21:24:18 install 21:25:08 easier, no, just different. 21:25:12 http://openacs.org/doc/openacs/install/x138.html 21:25:18 B: http://openacs.org/doc/openacs/install/x138.html from davb 21:25:25 check out that page under Installing the datamodel 21:25:35 ok thanks 21:25:46 3.2.5 is well tested code. 4 is alpha. 21:26:34 3.2.5 is easier to learn to hack on. 4 is a better platform but the learning curve is much steeper. 21:27:17 I wonder if theres a way to have the openacs 3 check for the datamodel and log an error if its not installed. 21:28:56 abbaJ has quit 21:35:13 ola has quit 21:38:36 its all intalling now. i don't know how i missed that one. sorry to trouble you 21:39:07 no problem. I wouldn't have had to look at the log if I thought to ask which version... 21:40:43 well i am so excited about openacs. its going to be heaps of fun. :) 21:48:53 abbaJ has joined #openacs 21:58:01 Good luck! 22:00:36 idware_ has quit 23:43:18 Grax has joined #openacs 23:43:27 Grax is now known as dwalker 23:43:41 Hi dwalker 23:43:48