IRC log of openacs on 2001-10-20
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- 00:04:29 [rbm]
- If anyone is interested, I now have a copy of Jplot's .jar and documentationt
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- rbm: is there rc.local or equivilant on Debian?
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- 00:37:04 [chump]
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- 00:48:14 [davb]
- cd-recording commencing
- 00:51:00 [rbm_]
- go davb! go!
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- 00:51:29 [rbm]
- I wonder for how long I was out of the channel
- 00:51:59 [davb]
- You didn't miss anything.
- 00:52:06 [davb]
- at least in this one.
- 00:53:23 [davb]
- these lectures are in RealMedia format. is there any player besides realplayer?
- 00:54:17 [davb]
- aha. a debian package
- 00:56:36 [rbm]
- The debian package is just to help you install it. You still need to download the binary from real.com
- 00:56:55 [rbm]
- The package will setup paths and put the binaries/libs in the right places.
- 01:05:18 [Spork]
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- * Spork sporks his cable modem
- 01:05:34 [Spork]
- my IP changed ;(
- 01:11:21 [rbm]
- :(
- 01:12:08 [Spork]
- is there a way to comment a block of TCL code?
- 01:12:12 [Spork]
- I know # does one line
- 01:12:15 [Spork]
- I wanna surround blocks
- 01:16:34 [rbm]
- hmmm. I don't think so.
- 01:17:47 [Spork]
- damn
- 01:17:53 [Spork]
- I must have broken something while I was driving home
- 01:17:57 [Spork]
- it doesn't work anymore :(
- 01:18:29 [Spork]
- missing close-brace: possible unbalanced brace in comment
- 01:18:29 [Spork]
- while compiling
- 01:18:31 [Spork]
- "uplevel"
- 01:21:48 [rbm]
- You're missing a }
- 01:22:37 [Spork]
- hmmm
- 01:22:52 [Spork]
- * Spork takes a closer look
- 01:25:31 [Spork]
- ok
- 01:25:40 [Spork]
- If i have those in a comment it shouldn't matter right?
- 01:27:35 [davb]
- ack segmentation fault in realplayer
- 01:27:39 [Spork]
- heh
- 01:27:59 [Spork]
- Dave, it doesn't matter if you have an odd number of { in a comment, right?
- 01:28:40 [davb]
- yeah the CD works
- 01:28:43 [davb]
- no idea. it might.
- 01:29:19 [Spork]
- arg
- 01:29:35 [davb]
- I don't think so.
- 01:29:53 [davb]
- I have commented out code blocks that included {
- 01:29:54 [davb]
- or }
- 01:29:56 [Spork]
- this code is broken somehow
- 01:31:20 [davb]
- Wow, realplayer works very well in linux.
- 01:32:10 [davb]
- In fact It looks better than windows.
- 01:34:12 [Spork]
- arg
- 01:34:14 [Spork]
- bbl
- 01:42:42 [Spork]
- * Spork curses out TCL
- 01:47:57 [davb]
- any recommendations where I can get some good streaming audio? Live365 is down...
- 01:49:38 [Spork]
- Spinner.com
- 01:49:47 [davb]
- cool
- 01:50:24 [rbm]
- davb: are running debian sid?
- 01:50:36 [rbm]
- If so, I get segfault too. I should not have upgraded my glibc :(
- 01:51:10 [Spork]
- Odd
- 01:51:28 [Spork]
- maybe I got moved to the St. James UBR...I fixed my script but it's not finding my modem
- 01:51:33 [Spork]
- Saying it's offline
- 01:51:39 [Spork]
- But I sure as hell hope I am not offline
- 01:51:54 [davb]
- rbm: yes, but I ran it again and it worked fine, a couple of times.
- 01:52:32 [davb]
- heh. if you modem is offline, it can't check to see if its online...
- 01:53:06 [Spork]
- exactly dave
- 01:53:35 [Spork]
- my ip did change though and I can't run NewPing from home
- 01:53:39 [Spork]
- I have to be at work
- 01:53:53 [davb]
- ack
- 01:54:12 [Spork]
- I had to adjust my domain to point to the new one
- 01:54:31 [davb]
- cool, spinner works pretty good.
- 01:54:44 [Spork]
- yah
- 01:54:45 [Spork]
- I like it
- 01:54:51 [Spork]
- I use it at work and home :)
- 01:54:59 [Spork]
- Nice
- 01:55:03 [Spork]
- cars that brake for us
- 01:55:08 [Spork]
- ok...I fixed the script
- 01:55:11 [Spork]
- now I have to fix my speakers
- 01:55:12 [Spork]
- brb
- 01:55:39 [davb]
- I like freeamp, but I can't get it to play streams, just CDs
- 01:56:54 [rbm]
- ?!?!?!?
- 01:57:03 [rbm]
- All of a sudden a bunch of lines scrolled up?
- 01:57:28 [davb]
- not here... execpt Spork and my conversation..
- 01:59:32 [Spork]
- You lagging mate
- 02:01:14 [rbm]
- * rbm is lagging
- 02:01:55 [davb]
- you guys think I should learn my math if I eventually want to learn CS?
- 02:02:12 [Spork]
- Define math
- 02:02:29 [Spork]
- I can tell you exactly what I learned in 3.5 years
- 02:02:40 [davb]
- calculus, linear algebra, etc...
- 02:02:54 [rbm]
- Math is g00d
- 02:03:09 [rbm]
- It helps a lot in developing logical thinking.
- 02:03:16 [Spork]
- yes math is good
- 02:03:17 [davb]
- I was afraid you'd say that. I have to relearn all this crap.
- 02:03:21 [Spork]
- but also depends on what kind of math
- 02:03:39 [rbm]
- Yeah. Usually math from math depts suck. The engineering depts have much better math teachers :)
- 02:03:48 [davb]
- Well I want to get back up to calculus. I am starting at algebra.
- 02:04:10 [davb]
- Actually I learned NO math from math teachers except my college calculus profressor. But that was 10 years ago or so.
- 02:04:11 [Spork]
- if you're doing graphics...definetly learn linear algebra
- 02:04:16 [rbm]
- Discreet Math is good too.
- 02:04:23 [Spork]
- yes
- 02:04:32 [Spork]
- I'll be honest with you
- 02:04:50 [davb]
- Basically I want to be able to understand what David McCusker is saying...http://www.treedragon.com and I think the math will help me with the rest of it.
- 02:04:52 [Spork]
- I took, Linear Algebra, Logic, Calc 1,2,3, Discrete Math 1,2
- 02:05:09 [rbm]
- I took pretty much the same as Spork
- 02:05:17 [Spork]
- Out of those
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- LA - graphics
- 02:05:41 [Spork]
- Discrete Math - general programming concepts like Finite State Automata, Turing machines and all the other fun stuff
- 02:05:46 [Spork]
- set theory, number theory
- 02:05:53 [davb]
- that I need.
- 02:05:56 [Spork]
- I took Applied Algebra, Probability Theory
- 02:06:17 [Spork]
- Analysis of Algorithms
- 02:06:27 [Spork]
- Logic was too deep for me
- 02:06:51 [Spork]
- I got an A- but that was for my stunning looks...lol...nah, I just wrote a good paper at the end and there was only like 12 kids taking it
- 02:07:06 [Spork]
- can't really fail 10% of your class
- 02:07:09 [rbm]
- * rbm sporks Spork
- 02:07:13 [Spork]
- ouch!
- 02:07:15 [davb]
- well looks like I'll need it then if I want to really understand this stuff.
- 02:07:55 [davb]
- I wish I had decided 10 years ago to be a programmer. I said for the longest time, nah I don't want to be a programmer... oops
- 02:08:09 [Spork]
- heh
- 02:08:14 [Spork]
- I'm the other way
- 02:09:04 [davb]
- I had been surrounded by computers for almost my whole life. I guess I wanted to try something else.
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- 02:16:43 [rbm]
- * rbm hopes his wife gets back so they can go out on a date
- 02:17:25 [Spork]
- Iawww
- 02:18:29 [davb]
- should I need to be root to do cdrecording?
- 02:18:40 [rbm]
- davb: yes
- 02:19:09 [davb]
- ok, just seems unecessary coming from a windows background.
- 02:24:14 [Spork]
- heh
- 02:24:21 [Spork]
- It's possible to burn without being root
- 02:27:02 [rbm]
- If you make a bunch of stuff suid
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- Which I don't like.
- 02:27:15 [Spork]
- no
- 02:27:20 [rbm]
- No?
- 02:27:20 [Spork]
- If you set it up as root once
- 02:27:29 [Spork]
- xcdroast I think has directions
- 02:27:36 [rbm]
- bah. Don't use xcdroast.
- 02:27:48 [davb]
- aha. I'll check it out. Actually I just like cdrecord. I don't need anything else.
- 02:28:01 [davb]
- of course I am just copying cds
- 02:29:40 [davb]
- this is a million times better than adaptec easy cd creator
- 02:29:59 [rbm]
- anything is better that hard cd creator
- 02:30:06 [rbm]
- s/hard cd/frisbee/
- 02:30:11 [davb]
- he
- 02:30:15 [davb]
- s/he/heh
- 02:30:19 [rbm]
- * rbm is out of here
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- ttyl guys
- 02:30:27 [davb]
- bye
- 02:30:45 [davb]
- Just what I wanted, to spend friday night with Spork
- 02:30:48 [davb]
- :)
- 02:32:36 [Spork]
- lol
- 02:32:43 [davb]
- ok spork,any good source of music for linux users?
- 02:45:11 [Spork]
- good source?
- 02:45:13 [Spork]
- What kind of music?
- 02:45:48 [davb]
- modern rock, alternative. I mean like streaming audio internet radio kinda thing.
- 02:48:41 [davb]
- hey cool I found one that works.
- 02:53:35 [Spork]
- oh
- 02:53:40 [Spork]
- I thought you wanted mp3s
- 02:54:01 [davb]
- nah. I could find 'em if I really wanted to.
- 02:54:03 [davb]
- :)
- 02:54:56 [davb]
- Actually I just figured out how to get shoutcast streams into freeamp
- 02:55:41 [davb]
- but thanks if you expended any effort looking!
- 02:57:48 [Spork]
- eh?
- 02:58:04 [Spork]
- No, I was just going to point you at my mp3 web exposed cache
- 02:58:38 [davb]
- I'll have to wait until I get that new harddrive...
- 03:02:01 [Spork]
- k
- 03:15:24 [rbm]
- s/by/in/
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- heh
- 03:26:15 [Spork]
- ok
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- 06:54:20 [Spork]
- lol
- 06:54:33 [Spork]
- http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1286075085
- 06:54:33 [chump]
- A: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1286075085 from Spork
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- A:
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- http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1286075085
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- A:| would you like to buy a Terribile book?
- 06:55:21 [Spork]
- A: A mildly amusing eBay auction (Note the author's name)
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- titled item A
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- commented item A
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- hi ola
- 15:42:27 [ola]
- hi davb!
- 15:42:42 [ola]
- what's up?
- 15:43:31 [davb]
- not too much. working a little on static-pages. making cookies, etc...
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- 15:54:20 [ola]
- nice! I'm watching soccer when I should really be cleaning the apartment...my family are coming over tomorrow...
- 15:56:34 [abbaJ]
- ola: who's playing?
- 15:56:53 [abbaJ]
- ola: I just got satellite and I'm loving it, for the first time in my life I can watch soccer
- 16:12:49 [ola]
- well, it was a match from the scottish league. Celtic beat Dundee United, 5 goals to 1.
- 16:14:03 [Spork]
- ey
- 16:14:07 [Spork]
- beer all around
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- cookies?
- 16:14:27 [Spork]
- * Spork steals some cookies from Dave while he's not looking to keep Mark helping
- 16:14:55 [abbaJ]
- ola: what channel did you watch that on? Fox world sports?
- 16:15:32 [ola]
- abbaJ: no. swedish TV4.
- 16:15:38 [abbaJ]
- ahh
- 16:15:55 [Spork]
- I have to clean my room
- 16:16:04 [abbaJ]
- there's a channel I have, that has games from tons of leagues
- 16:16:13 [abbaJ]
- I watched the celtics play the other day
- 16:16:21 [Spork]
- * Spork gets very pointy and starts jumping up and down like a pogo stick getting lots of things on his 'orks
- 16:18:10 [ola]
- abbaJ: did you notice Henke Larsson? he's one of celtics best players and also from sweden...
- 16:18:29 [abbaJ]
- ola: I didn't, but I'll watch for him next time they're on
- 16:18:35 [ola]
- heh
- 16:18:51 [abbaJ]
- to tell you the truth
- 16:19:01 [abbaJ]
- I don't notice almost any players
- 16:19:13 [abbaJ]
- b/c usually it's the first time i've seen the teams who are playing
- 16:23:18 [ola]
- I see. Henke once looked like Bob Marley but he cut his hair, so the only similarity left between the two is the quality of their performance;-)
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- Hi docwolf
- 16:31:58 [davb]
- and graszew
- 16:32:06 [docwolf]
- hi
- 16:32:11 [graszew]
- hi
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- Can I use multiple instances of an Openacs4 package with different templates?
- 16:38:39 [ola]
- yes, if you mount them under individual subsites.
- 16:40:15 [ola]
- s/individual/separate
- 16:41:08 [graszew]
- thanks
- 16:57:55 [ola]
- What is .LRN? is it a few modified/brand new OACS4 modules, a bussword invented to hype OACS4 + PG/Oracle or what is it??
- 16:58:16 [ola]
- ..and does anyone know which modules are involved? portals, unified bboard(?)...what else?
- 16:59:48 [davb]
- Its a rebuild of ACES using OpenACS. I am not sure what modules are involved though. Probably most of them along with some new ones.
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- have you seen the website they setup? Its just one page so far.
- 17:02:04 [ola]
- yes I saw it.
- 17:02:23 [ola]
- so we will basically have two toolkits to choose from?
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- 17:06:44 [davb]
- Not exactly. DotLRN is an application of OpenACS. It is a pre-customized system. Preselected pacakges that do something useful out of the box.
- 17:07:04 [davb]
- Hopefully people will develop other prepackaged applications.
- 17:08:45 [Spork]
- heh
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- like me?
- 17:10:50 [davb]
- Yes. Are you going to release your finished app?
- 17:10:57 [Spork]
- ummm
- 17:11:08 [davb]
- not your choice obviously...
- 17:11:24 [Spork]
- If i edit out all cablevision related information...then mebbe
- 17:11:43 [Spork]
- for all I know my boss might wanna hit @Home up for a deal for them to buy it
- 17:11:44 [Spork]
- lol
- 17:11:49 [davb]
- heh
- 17:11:59 [davb]
- right. that is the other option.
- 17:12:23 [Spork]
- I'm just coding it
- 17:12:26 [Spork]
- I'm shocked
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- I didn't think I'd be able to make this much progress with it
- 17:13:10 [Spork]
- I'm the designer, senior developer, junior developer, dba, q/a and whatever else I left out
- 17:13:47 [Spork]
- my box rules
- 17:30:35 [ola]
- davb: anyway, it's going to be interesting to see what they've accomplished - my expectations are high...
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- 17:32:52 [davb]
- me too. Anyway great applications will be good for all OpenACS developers.
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- hi donb!
- 18:00:59 [davb]
- hello donb
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- hola sir don
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- 18:08:47 [donb]
- Hey, folks, you are around - I switched desktops for a moment there...
- 18:09:22 [donb]
- People working or are people playing? (I'm playing)
- 18:09:50 [davb]
- I am fooling around with WiKit as a desktop app.
- 18:10:59 [donb]
- What's WiKit?
- 18:12:23 [davb]
- Its the Wiki application implemented in Tcl using MetaKit for storage. The Tclers Wiki runs on it.
- 18:13:09 [donb]
- Oh, I see.
- 18:14:19 [donb]
- Actually I've gotta run, just thought I'd check in to see if there was anything interesting going on. aD dirt ... INS horror stories ... that kind of thing.
- 18:14:27 [donb]
- See y'all later!
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- ola: I've next question about templates. I have two separete instances of bboard (/bboard and /subsite/bboard). But I can't find out, how to make so these instances will use different templates. Please, enlighten it on me.
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- quick Question: will AOLServer not serve pages if using an empty database from pgsql?
- 20:26:14 [davb]
- with OpenACS?
- 20:26:22 [davb]
- or just AOLserver?
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- 20:34:10 [idware]
- oh im back.. openacs
- 20:34:35 [davb]
- You should get the Welcome, please click here to install the datamodel screen.
- 20:34:57 [davb]
- I am not sure if anything else can get served until you do that.
- 20:34:58 [idware]
- can not get any pages and the only errors refer to the database being empty etc.
- 20:35:19 [davb]
- hmmm. hang on...
- 20:35:32 [idware]
- it has listening on 192.168.0.3:80 etc
- 20:36:22 [davb]
- What is the exact database error message?
- 20:37:02 [davb]
- although even if the postgres driver doesn't load, you should get a page saying so.
- 20:37:03 [idware]
- this is the first onew
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- Notice: Querying 'select count(*) from robots;'
- 20:37:07 [idware]
- [21/Oct/2001:06:51:38][1306.2051][-sched-] Error: Ns_PgExec: result status: 7 message: ERROR: Relation 'robots' does not exist[
- 20:37:31 [idware]
- it gets longish so i won't paste it all
- 20:38:43 [idware]
- there isn't a openacs default DB i need is there
- 20:40:58 [idware]
- nmap shows port 80 is open as well
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- 20:45:27 [davb]
- ok. Its running the wrong code apparently. Did you have openacs installed before?
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- 20:50:10 [Spork]
- ummm
- 20:51:05 [Spork]
- brb
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- ;)
- 20:54:50 [idware_]
- the docs have nothing on this error im having nor the forum( that i can see)
- 20:55:05 [davb]
- did you install openacs before?
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- 20:55:16 [idware_]
- im running out of things to do
- 20:55:21 [idware_]
- no first time
- 20:55:25 [davb]
- also is the database named properly in the tcl config file for the server?
- 20:55:46 [davb]
- can you post you log somewhere on the web for me to look at? if not you can email it to me.
- 20:56:21 [idware_]
- all settings are fine
- 20:56:56 [idware_]
- whats your email
- 20:56:59 [davb]
- I just restarted aolserver with a clean database and I didn't see anything like your message
- 20:57:04 [davb]
- dave@thedesignexperience.org
- 20:57:09 [idware_]
- cheers
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- 21:22:16 [davb]
- idware_: duh. I expected you were running OpenACS 4. OK I need to realign my brain a minute...
- 21:23:20 [davb]
- idware, you need to read the OpenACS install docs. You need to load the datamodel yourself.
- 21:23:28 [davb]
- OpenACS 4 installs in from the web page.
- 21:24:14 [idware_]
- easier just to intall v4?
- 21:24:18 [idware_]
- install
- 21:25:08 [davb]
- easier, no, just different.
- 21:25:12 [davb]
- http://openacs.org/doc/openacs/install/x138.html
- 21:25:18 [chump]
- B: http://openacs.org/doc/openacs/install/x138.html from davb
- 21:25:25 [davb]
- check out that page under Installing the datamodel
- 21:25:35 [idware_]
- ok thanks
- 21:25:46 [davb]
- 3.2.5 is well tested code. 4 is alpha.
- 21:26:34 [davb]
- 3.2.5 is easier to learn to hack on. 4 is a better platform but the learning curve is much steeper.
- 21:27:17 [davb]
- I wonder if theres a way to have the openacs 3 check for the datamodel and log an error if its not installed.
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- 21:38:36 [idware_]
- its all intalling now. i don't know how i missed that one. sorry to trouble you
- 21:39:07 [davb]
- no problem. I wouldn't have had to look at the log if I thought to ask which version...
- 21:40:43 [idware_]
- well i am so excited about openacs. its going to be heaps of fun. :)
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- Good luck!
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- 23:43:41 [davb]
- Hi dwalker
- 23:43:48 [dwalker]
- hi davb
- 23:44:10 [dwalker]
- anyone here played with glassroom at all?
- 23:44:31 [davb]
- Not me.
- 23:44:38 [davb]
- That is part of Acs 3 right?
- 23:44:45 [dwalker]
- yes
- 23:45:30 [dwalker]
- I have a patch that makes it operation in openacs 3.2.5 and I'm just trying to figure out what category to upload it to
- 23:46:49 [dwalker]
- ah. now I've found it.
- 23:46:54 [davb]
- great.
- 23:54:09 [dwalker]
- ok. patch is uploaded
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