00:11:52 darn, talli left. 00:13:47 back to the Yahoo Store 00:16:43 Spork: are you around? 00:27:43 vinod has joined #openacs 00:30:40 Hi vinod 00:31:14 hey dave! 00:32:45 http://www.wohl.com/wa0156.htm 00:32:45 F: http://www.wohl.com/wa0156.htm from davb 00:33:06 F:|Amy Wohl - Blogging and Knowledge Management 00:33:06 titled item F 00:35:55 argh! Yahoo store is sluggish tonight. Time to work on static-pages 00:37:35 Emacs is my favorite IDE. I have a couple of SQL and TCL files, sql-postgres and a shell or two. 00:38:15 I figured out how to reverse that regexp too. 00:40:15 cool - emacs rocks! 00:40:37 yeah. Now I just have to debug my plpgsql. It says parse error at 'select' 00:40:49 real helpful, huh? 00:41:12 yeah. and i tried the query in psql, it works fine. So I left it for a couple hours. 00:41:33 pl/pgsql isn't picky about whitespace is it? 00:41:59 no, shouldn't be 00:42:10 ok. I am just grasping here. 00:42:50 argh. Yeah store.yahoo is hosed. 00:43:24 probably my fault... 01:03:41 hazmat has quit 01:15:31 http://www.openwire.com/web/archives/00000183.php 01:15:31 G: http://www.openwire.com/web/archives/00000183.php from davb 01:15:49 G:|Linked: Meyers-Briggs type and Girl Scout cookies 01:15:49 titled item G 01:15:56 G: markd2 would love this 01:15:56 commented item G 01:16:42 G: they are doing a survey to validate their theory 01:16:42 commented item G 01:18:29 G: Go NOW and contribute 01:18:30 commented item G 01:19:19 Unfortunately so far, doesn't seem to be correlating. 01:19:40 is 12 minutes too long to wait for an HTTP POST? 01:23:53 i would think so, but i suppose it depends on how much data at what speed (and what is happening on the server) 01:25:19 Apparently their server is less than speedy tonight. 01:26:55 scary, they are patenting parts of people now. Thats way worse than software patents. You'll have to pay royalties to have a kid! 01:27:07 http://www.killyourtv.com/archives/00000389.shtml 01:35:12 hmmm 01:35:23 my static-pages-init.tcl is not getting loaded 01:39:46 nevermind, its my fault missing } 01:41:34 vinod: are you a self-taught hacker? 01:44:32 yup (if i can call myself "taught") 01:44:52 heh 01:45:51 i'd love to get a more formal education, but i haven't decided if it's worth it yet 01:46:06 Time or money-wise? 01:46:23 I would love to learn the stuff you learn in a formal CS curriculum. 01:46:29 time (which some say is money :-) ) 01:46:51 Basically I want to understand what David McCusker is talking about in his weblog. http://www.treedragon.com 01:47:02 yeah, me too - we should get markd2 to mentor us in his newfound spare time :-) 01:47:32 Yeah, i understand. Well I put about $2000 worth of software and computer science books in my Amazon wish list. Imagine if I had to pay for tuition too! 01:47:37 Yeha markd2 is good. 01:48:31 Also, I am a little short in degrees. Just two associates. 01:48:33 were you the one that pointed me to http://www.htdp.org ? 01:48:49 I don't think so. But I have seen it. SICP is better I think. 01:49:09 I bought it $70 right after I read PANDA 01:49:14 yeah, but SICP is painful - i'm about halfway through and it just puts me to sleep 01:49:34 I will make a copy of the lectures for you. They are pretty good. 01:49:52 One of these days I'll snag an 80G drive and get the rest from aduni.org 01:49:55 Hey, I want a copy too! 01:50:00 cool - are these the aduni lectures? 01:50:12 I liked SICP. 01:50:18 rbm is too smart as it is 01:50:27 I wish! 01:50:28 They are from aduni,org, they are MIT lectures by Abelson and Sussman themselves. 01:50:48 I think they took those down because they are copyright MIT 01:51:03 davb: I want those!! 01:51:35 yeah, its 13 CD's I think. 01:51:49 actually 12. 01:52:27 I will email you my address. I need a mailer that will fit 12 CDRs in tyvek sleeves with postage 01:52:58 davb: Yes please. I'll mail you the 12 CDs with return postage paid and whateverp 01:53:06 OK. 01:53:21 anyone here play Q3? 01:53:37 s/play/plays/ (?) 01:54:20 davb: i'd love to get copies too (I'll need to buy some CD-R's this wknd) 01:54:48 vinod: or send my $5, I have plenty of CDRs 01:54:59 davb: cool! 01:55:37 davb: Oh, can I do that? That'd be easier for me actually. Do you have a PayPal account? 01:55:41 rbm: i played quake back in the day, but I'm no good at those shoot-em-ups anymore 01:55:52 yeah, let me figure it out... 01:56:12 vinod: I thought I wasn't either. But with the mods for Q3 you can have much more fun than just the shoot-them-ups. 01:56:25 I still like Half-Life 01:56:30 vinod: For example, the other day I grabbed a module called "Capture the Chicken" and it was way too much fun :) 01:56:37 heh 01:56:43 will q3 run on an amd k6 500 mhz? 01:56:55 <-- has an AMD K62 300 01:57:02 Oh wait, K6 only? 01:57:04 dunn 01:57:10 s/$/o/ 01:57:40 * vinod needs a new computer 01:57:40 maybe, with a good video card and taking off the fancier graphics 02:03:13 Anyone here doing credit card processing? 02:03:36 not me 02:03:42 I tried to use PayPal, but I wouldn't advise it. 02:03:56 my client backed out, otherwise I would have finished it 02:04:10 I was thinking of using either authorize.net, Verisign's PayFlow Pro, or Red Hat's CCVS 02:08:21 I haven't checked into those. Probably the easiest is one that has an HTTPS interface. 02:10:25 heheh 02:12:23 Wow that post is still pending 65 mins 02:13:24 heh, I downloaded all that, one a day for a month or so. aduni.org limited the transfer rate to around 3k/s 02:13:42 ouch - that's like my bandwidth 02:14:11 Yeah, I was getting 768k/sec then too. 02:14:35 The Thinking in Java guy is writing Thinking in Python. cool. 02:14:36 http://www.mindview.net/Books/Python/ThinkingInPython.html 02:14:36 H: http://www.mindview.net/Books/Python/ThinkingInPython.html from davb 02:15:34 H:| A glimmer in Bruce Eckel's eye: Thinking in Python 02:15:35 titled item H 02:15:54 cool python vs. perl quotes: 02:15:55 Python is executable pseudocode. Perl is executable line noise. 02:16:05 Perl is like vice grips. You can do anything with it, and it's the wrong tool for every job. 02:19:03 Is there an app to make an ISO on my harddrive from the CDs? 02:19:20 I am sure there is, dumb question. GOod question: what is it called? 02:19:34 mkisofs? 02:19:39 <-- never had a CD burner 02:19:48 Yes, that's it. 02:20:07 thanks. 02:21:20 cool mkisofs is installed 02:29:56 20.29% done, estimate finish Thu Oct 18 22:57:44 2001 02:29:57 21.98% done, estimate finish Thu Oct 18 22:56:18 2001 02:30:11 check it out. I wish all long operations gave status reports like this 02:31:33 hoh 02:31:37 s/hoh/heh/ 02:34:01 WOW! 02:34:16 The APM has a nifty reload link next to packages in which files have changed. 02:34:31 It says Hey a file in this packages has changed, do you want to watch it. 02:35:44 That should be in the News or at least the bboard. 02:43:14 ack, looks like a need to recompile my kenel or, at least compile a module 02:45:14 vinod has quit 02:46:21 vinod has joined #openacs 02:46:42 Do I really need a new kernel if I want to add a loadable module? 02:46:57 or can I just use the module if its compiled for my kernel? 02:50:54 davb is now known as davb|asleep 02:51:02 time for me to say goodnight 02:51:21 'nite 02:52:21 vinod has quit 02:55:54 davb|asleep: No. You can just make menuconfig, select the module, then make modules modules_install 03:01:48 vinod has joined #openacs 03:07:28 vinod has quit 07:01:11 * AaronSw heads off 07:35:33 * AaronSw returns 08:43:31 loins has joined #openacs 08:43:35 loins is now known as rzolf 08:49:54 rzolf has quit 10:49:38 ola has joined #openacs 10:55:58 ola has quit 11:02:18 davb|asleep has quit 13:19:10 davb has joined #openacs 13:19:59 * AaronSw heads off 13:27:42 http://www.aolserver.com/ 13:27:42 A: http://www.aolserver.com/ from davb 13:27:50 A:|Aolserver.com redesigned again 13:27:50 titled item A 13:27:58 A: And AOLserver 3.4.2 released 13:27:58 commented item A 13:28:11 A: New online docs also 13:28:12 commented item A 13:31:44 davb_ has joined #openacs 13:31:59 davb has quit 13:32:13 davb_ is now known as davb 13:55:10 * AaronSw returns 14:11:28 donb has joined #openacs 14:11:54 Roberto, you there? 14:12:21 Oh well, I'll check in later... 14:12:23 donb has quit 14:56:24 hi 14:56:59 * AaronSw heads off 15:14:51 talli has joined #openacs 15:14:55 hey guys 15:15:48 Hi talli 15:31:26 talli has quit 15:33:55 Spork: did you see that threadpool thing I chumped? 15:38:25 nope 15:38:29 I got that problem solved :) 15:38:35 A: 15:38:36 http://www.aolserver.com/ 15:38:36 Aolserver.com redesigned again 15:38:37 (davb) And AOLserver 3.4.2 released 15:38:38 (davb) New online docs also 15:38:48 hmmm 15:38:53 where is the log again? 15:40:09 http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog/ 15:40:21 I think it was in yesterday or maybe late the day before. 15:40:25 k 15:40:35 slow slow slow! :) 15:40:39 Oh, well i am glad you solved the problem. 15:40:42 My site is slow? 15:41:31 It always loads fast for me. Weird. Its just an html page. 15:41:45 isn't it on your server 15:42:07 yeah, but I am not on my server. Its at a remote location. 15:42:42 Anyway this is the link http://www.dqd.com/~mayoff/aolserver/dqd_threadpool-1.0.tar.gz 15:43:56 yeah I got it 15:43:56 thanks 15:44:16 no problem. I just thought it might be useful to you. 15:44:23 looks useful 15:44:23 my boss told me that I don't have to worry about that 15:44:29 He said he's working on a system where I just need to do two queries 15:44:32 Well that is even better. 15:45:01 one to a database or LDAP to find the mac<->ip and then one to the ip<->ubr system 15:45:14 But it's going to be in postgres so I'll have to port it to oracle 15:45:18 Spiffy. 15:45:21 yeah 15:45:34 so I'm working on doing the SNMP queries once I know the stuff 15:45:41 I came upon another problem 15:45:52 Have you updated your acs-core lately? There is a handy RELOAD link in the APM that appears if a file in your package changes. 15:46:10 I need to do a reverse lookup and I don't think there's an easy way of doing it 15:46:22 reverse DNS? 15:46:47 given an IP I need it's name 15:47:41 Right. I think AOLserver can do that. 15:48:03 got it 15:48:07 ns_hostbyadd 15:48:09 r 15:53:16 isn't it ns_gethostbyaddr? 15:56:46 ola has joined #openacs 15:59:22 nope 15:59:26 Hola Ola 15:59:42 http://www.aolserver.com/docs/devel/tcl/api/tapi-c65.htm#81032 15:59:43 B: http://www.aolserver.com/docs/devel/tcl/api/tapi-c65.htm#81032 from Spork 15:59:57 B:| AOLServer API call to retrieve the DNS name of an IP 15:59:58 titled item B 16:00:12 B: Useful for revere lookups of stuph 16:00:13 commented item B 16:03:36 hi Sporkster! 16:06:26 Hi ola 16:07:23 Wow. new logitech mice and keyboards will have a "search" button that goes to google. 16:07:56 cool 16:08:05 Hey, does tcl have 16:08:08 if condition 16:08:11 else if condition 16:08:12 else 16:08:14 ? 16:08:29 Yes. 16:08:45 what's wrong with mine then: 16:08:55 if {$cm_status == "12"} { 16:08:55 set cm_status Online 16:08:55 } else {if $cm_status == "1" 16:08:55 set cm_status Offline 16:08:55 } 16:09:06 bah 16:09:16 the { was before the if before 16:09:17 its elseif { do stuff 16:09:21 ah 16:09:25 elseif 16:09:29 yep. 16:09:54 But I don't see why can't you have an if inside an else block 16:09:56 gotcha 16:10:11 oh yeah, but then his if is broken. 16:10:43 nah, I got it 16:10:46 if $cm_status =="1" { set cm_status Offline } it would be. 16:10:46 :) 16:11:08 hi davb! (and others) 16:11:12 rbm: thanks for that kernel advice. I got it. Hopefully I will be able to burn some CDs tonight. 16:11:26 heh 16:11:30 scsi emulation ? 16:12:12 aha 16:12:16 why am I bothering with if 16:12:22 I can use some sort of switch thing 16:12:41 davb: cool! I'd love to get my hands on those lectures 16:13:26 spork: yes 16:13:44 switch flags value { 16:13:44 pattern1 body1 16:13:44 pattern2 body2 16:13:44 ... 16:13:44 } 16:14:10 so like how would that be with 1,2,3,4,5...12 16:14:22 http://www.arsdigita.com/books/tcl/control-structure.adp 16:14:22 C: http://www.arsdigita.com/books/tcl/control-structure.adp from davb 16:14:25 where each value sets the cm_status to a specific value 16:14:48 thanks 16:15:01 Maybe you can use an array for that. 16:15:12 http://www2.linuxjournal.com/lj-issues/issue88/4791.html 16:15:13 D: http://www2.linuxjournal.com/lj-issues/issue88/4791.html from rbm 16:15:30 D:|PostgreSQL Performance Tuning, by Bruce Momjiam 16:15:30 titled item D 16:15:42 http://www.phpbuilder.com/columns/smith20010821.php3 16:15:42 E: http://www.phpbuilder.com/columns/smith20010821.php3 from rbm 16:15:48 E:| Optimizing PostgreSQL 16:15:48 titled item E 16:16:12 Former: PostgreSQL Performance Tuning, by Bruce Momjiam 16:16:13 excellent. I really need to get this stuff in a database so it can be categorized and searched. 16:16:40 switch $cm_status { 16:16:40 "1" {set cm_status offline} 16:16:40 "2" {set cm_status others} 16:16:40 "3" {set cm_status initRangingRcvd} 16:16:40 } 16:16:43 like so? 16:17:05 or would I leave the "" off since it's an integer 16:17:23 you can leave off the "" if its a string as long as there's no whitepsace 16:17:36 they're just numbers 16:17:39 Wouldn't an array be easier? 16:17:46 I dunno 16:17:47 hehe 16:18:16 set cm_status cm_statusarray($cm_status_code) 16:18:30 what's that do? 16:18:53 I did some research on Journaled File Systems for Linux for the presentation I did in our LUG this wednesday 16:19:09 you'd need to build the array... that takes the value out of the array based on the value of $cm_status_code(1,2,3, etc..) 16:19:10 I vowed to switch to a JFS ASAP after that 16:19:24 oh 16:19:37 heh, I'll try that next time I need something like this (I already wrote this thing out) 16:19:46 well ok. 16:20:10 rbm: which JFS do you like? 16:21:28 I need to read all the articles at LinuxJournal. 16:22:17 Besides the integrity gains, and much lesser downtime (in the case of a reboot/crash), there are some major speed improvements gained with JFSs 16:22:53 davb: XFS is the most powerful. Hands down (although I haven't really looked at IBM's JFS). But ext3 seems to be a serious competitor. 16:23:03 ok 16:23:06 The cool thing about ext3 is that, in case of need, you can mount it as ext2 16:23:16 rbm: that is cool. 16:23:31 how does this look: 16:23:31 proc status_2_string {status_code} 16:23:31 switch $cm_status { 16:23:31 "1" {set cm_status offline} 16:23:31 "2" {set cm_status others} 16:23:31 "3" {set cm_status initRangingRcvd} 16:23:31 "4" {set cm_status initDhcpReqRcvd 16:23:31 "5" {set cm_status Bricked} 16:23:31 "6" {set cm_status onlineKekAssigned} 16:23:31 "7" {set cm_status onlineTekAssigned} 16:23:31 "8" {set cm_status rejectBadMic} 16:23:32 "9" {set cm_status rejectedBadCos} 16:23:32 "10" {set cm_status kekRejected} 16:23:32 "11" {set cm_status tekRejected} 16:23:32 "12" {set cm_status online} 16:23:32 return $cm_status 16:23:32 } 16:23:34 eeep 16:24:04 switch $status_code 16:24:25 and you didn't close the switch { 16:25:53 rbm: is it easy to migrate ALL partitions from ext2 to XFS. including /boot ? 16:26:39 does it work with software RAID? 16:26:50 It's not hard, but it's not trivial either. (everything but your / partition that is) 16:27:04 ola: I think so. 16:27:20 One problem is that none of the disk imaging tools (Ghost, etc.) work with JFSs 16:28:07 ok. what's special about / ? 16:30:43 I guess there are issues with boot loaders and all that 16:30:48 yup 16:30:58 its /root/ 16:31:04 and \beer\ 16:31:09 heh 16:31:52 ok 16:31:56 my proc is messed up 16:36:08 this is how i call it: 16:36:12 set cm_status [status_2_string $cm_stat] 16:37:03 this is what's supposed to run 16:37:06 proc status_2_string {status_code} { 16:37:06 switch $status_code { 16:37:06 "1" {set cm_status offline} 16:37:06 "2" {set cm_status others} 16:37:06 "3" {set cm_status initRangingRcvd} 16:37:06 "4" {set cm_status initDhcpReqRcvd 16:37:08 "5" {set cm_status Bricked} 16:37:10 "6" {set cm_status onlineKekAssigned} 16:37:12 "7" {set cm_status onlineTekAssigned} 16:37:14 "8" {set cm_status rejectBadMic} 16:37:16 "9" {set cm_status rejectedBadCos} 16:37:18 "10" {set cm_status kekRejected} 16:37:20 "11" {set cm_status tekRejected} 16:37:22 "12" {set cm_status online} 16:37:24 return $cm_status 16:37:26 } 16:37:28 } 16:37:30 } 16:37:57 your return is inside the switch and you have too many } at the end. 16:39:01 got it 16:39:02 thanks 16:39:41 np. 16:40:00 OK I am going insane again. I have a query in pl/pgsql that says parse error at or near SELECT 16:40:11 I copy and pasted it into psql and it works fine. 16:40:29 what's the query? 16:41:15 for v_stale_file_row in 16:41:15 select static_page_id from static_pages 16:41:15 where folder_id in ( 16:41:15 select folder_id from sp_folders 16:41:15 where tree_sortkey like ( 16:41:15 select tree_sortkey || ''%'' 16:41:17 from sp_folders 16:41:19 where folder_id = v_root_folder_id ) 16:41:21 ) 16:41:23 and 16:41:25 static_page_id not in ( 16:41:27 select static_page_id from 16:41:29 sp_extant_files 16:41:31 where session_id = p_session_id ) 16:41:33 loop 16:41:35 PERFORM static_page__delete(v_stale_file_row.static_page_\ 16:41:37 id); 16:41:39 end loop; 16:41:41 ack... 16:41:43 yikes 16:41:44 lol 16:42:13 i thought it was something simple :D 16:42:25 its not that bad... 16:42:28 i know nothing...noooooottthhhiiiiiing 16:42:29 for v_stale_file_row in 16:42:29 select static_page_id from static_pages 16:42:29 where folder_id in ( 16:42:29 select folder_id from sp_folders 16:42:29 where tree_sortkey like ( 16:42:29 select tree_sortkey || ''%'' 16:42:31 from sp_folders 16:42:33 where folder_id = v_root_folder_id ) 16:42:35