IRC log of openacs on 2001-10-16

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01:56:13 [docwolf]
yo
01:56:18 [davb]
hi
01:56:51 [rbm]
yo yo yo
01:56:58 [docwolf]
how goes it?
01:57:00 [rbm]
'sup doc?
01:57:24 [rbm]
Trying to get some work for the second job done, then have to study for a test, and try to get some OpenACS stuff done.
01:57:47 [rbm]
Guess I can't play racquetball tonight :(
01:57:54 [rbm]
How's the ex-ad mailing list?
01:59:41 [docwolf]
ha
02:00:25 [docwolf]
ugh. i hosed my laptop badly tonight
02:00:31 [docwolf]
by installing linux
02:00:51 [docwolf]
destroyed the boot sector.
02:00:59 [docwolf]
linux works, windows no longer does
02:01:20 [davb]
ack.
02:01:39 [docwolf]
i am doomed.
02:01:59 [docwolf]
i guess i'll just mount the windows partition, copy the data off
02:02:02 [rbm]
Not really.
02:02:03 [docwolf]
then blast it
02:02:13 [rbm]
fdisk /mbr
02:02:18 [rbm]
Which windows?
02:02:20 [docwolf]
win2k
02:02:47 [docwolf]
it's really annoying
02:02:49 [rbm]
make a linux boot disk, then boot into dos with a floppy and do fdisk /mbrl
02:02:56 [docwolf]
because when i installed it
02:02:59 [rbm]
I meant "mbr"
02:03:00 [docwolf]
i told it to make & use a boot disk
02:03:04 [docwolf]
not to screw with my HD
02:03:11 [docwolf]
.. and it did anyway.
02:03:15 [docwolf]
RedHat 7.1
02:03:16 [rbm]
Is that Mandrake?
02:03:18 [rbm]
Oh
02:03:19 [davb]
ick.
02:03:39 [rbm]
I haven't installed RH since its pre-7.0 days, so I don't know how the installer is doing.
02:03:43 [docwolf]
i may have to drop the folks at redhat a line
02:03:50 [docwolf]
b/c this is a critical failure
02:03:59 [docwolf]
and a major turn-off to newbies who might be trying linux for the first time
02:04:07 [rbm]
* rbm gets out his duck tape for docwolf's enter key
02:04:15 [docwolf]
they should post UBER-WARNINGS about the boot sector and the consequences of changing it.
02:04:20 [docwolf]
sorry, roberto. nervous tick :-)
02:04:30 [rbm]
* rbm hands docwolf some Prozac :)
02:05:01 [davb]
That is why I unplugged my windows drive and installed linux on another drive.
02:05:10 [davb]
Of course thats not really an option in the laptop
02:07:22 [docwolf]
yeah. shame on RedHat. No wonder mandrake is pulling ahead.
02:07:41 [rbm]
on the dumb-user side.
02:07:44 [docwolf]
i guess i'll try the fdisk trick. what's the worst that could happen?
02:08:25 [rbm]
You could be unable to access both partitions.
02:08:37 [rbm]
But if you make a linux boot floppy as I explained, then no danger at all.
02:08:43 [rbm]
mkbootdisk on RH
02:08:48 [docwolf]
right. i'm booting off a floppy.
02:09:11 [davb]
http://www.uoguelph.ca/~jomstead/
02:09:11 [chump]
E: http://www.uoguelph.ca/~jomstead/ from davb
02:09:11 [rbm]
You don't have a Win2k rescue disk?
02:09:21 [davb]
E:| Dual Boot RedHat and Win2K
02:09:21 [chump]
titled item E
02:09:34 [docwolf]
nope. i never made one.
02:10:18 [docwolf]
since it looks like i'm going to be stuck in linuxland for a while... what's the best IRC client?
02:10:31 [rbm]
Depends on what you're looking for.
02:10:48 [rbm]
graphical? console? lots of bells-whistles?
02:11:10 [docwolf]
nothing too fancy. I'm using KDE. Sound effects would be nice.
02:11:23 [rbm]
There's a KDE one, KVirc I think.
02:12:02 [docwolf]
whoa... It came pre-installed. looks mega.
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?!?!?
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02:15:19 [docwolf]
this KVIrc is a serious-looking client
02:18:22 [rbm]
Yeah. I think it's written in Perl
02:24:56 [docwolf]
OK, i have everything i need, i think. StarOffice 6 is working, mozilla works. IRC & AIM work. Now, just need to find a good email client. Any recommendations?
02:25:03 [docwolf]
anything that looks/acts like eudora?
02:27:15 [davb]
I use mutt. its a text email client.
02:27:36 [docwolf]
the old-skool solution, eh? :-)
02:27:39 [rbm]
Hmmm. Mozilla Mail, Netscape Mail, (mutt rocks, but it doesn't like Eudora, thank goodness), Evolution, KMail
02:28:04 [docwolf]
is evolution ready? it looked like a promising eudora/outlook knockoff
02:28:14 [docwolf]
when i tried it a long, long time ago..... but it wasn't close to being finished.
02:28:33 [rbm]
docwolf: I think this Red Hat problem will help you get rid of the claws of evil.
02:28:53 [docwolf]
hehe.. rbm: so true. It just takes a little push...
02:29:07 [docwolf]
but it seems to me that there are now some legit replacements to all the major classes of windows apps.
02:29:26 [rbm]
/msg davb I'm glad docwolf didn't notice I trashed his Win2k partition
02:29:36 [rbm]
Ooops :-)
02:29:39 [docwolf]
:-)
02:30:11 [rbm]
I installed Evolution th other (since it's so hard to do in Debian). It looks pretty cool, and it was pretty fast.
02:30:19 [rbm]
I couldn't get it sync with my Visor though.
02:30:40 [rbm]
So I've been using jpilot. It's nice too.
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02:36:24 [docwolf]
cool
02:43:30 [davb]
evolution is on beta 5. It's scheduled for 1.0 release Oct 29 but they are about 2 weeks behind right now.
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* davb dparts
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:)
04:24:34 [rbm]
quiet....
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* rbm hits the sack. 'nite all
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* markd2 is done rebooting for now
13:34:49 [davb]
heh
13:54:04 [rbm]
morning all
13:55:10 [ola]
hi all!
13:56:45 [davb]
Welcome!
13:59:49 [ola]
I am about to commit some files to openacs.org
14:00:07 [ola]
shall I follow Pascals doc in new-file storage?
14:00:59 [davb]
Sure. That's what I did.
14:01:10 [davb]
DId you cvs add any new files?
14:01:11 [ola]
ok. thanks.
14:01:37 [ola]
not yet, but I will.
14:01:53 [ola]
why?
14:02:52 [davb]
just reminding you....
14:03:38 [ola]
ok. thanks.
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14:27:48 [ola]
weird. my newly checked-out openacs-core installs but dies after the intallation killed the aolserver processes!?
14:28:21 [davb]
hmmm
14:28:26 [davb]
it won't restart?
14:28:54 [ola]
the server restarts but I get this
14:29:17 [ola]
"the document contained no data"
14:29:54 [davb]
That is weird. What's the log say?
14:30:07 [ola]
.. after I filled in the admin-stuff form
14:30:37 [ola]
it says this:
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[16/Oct/2001:18:28:20][22723.4101][-conn0-] Error: tclop: invalid return code from filter proc 'Query did not return any rows.': must be filter_ok, filter_return, or filter_break
14:31:02 [markd2]
looks like a filter has an uncaught error
14:31:54 [ola]
yes. I wonder if the tree is corrupt.
14:32:27 [ola]
sounds most unlikely...
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14:47:49 [davb]
ola: I installed from a fresh checkout, no problems. I can access site map and apm.
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14:51:27 [ola]
ok thanks. did you do it just now? openacs.org appears to be down.
14:52:05 [davb]
yeah about 10 mins ago.
14:52:13 [davb]
Hello kwatson
14:52:47 [ola]
above.net may have problems
14:52:48 [kwatson]
hi
14:53:00 [kwatson]
what is this channel?
14:55:19 [davb]
It is the home for developers of OpenACS http://openacs.org
14:55:36 [davb]
ola: its ok for me.
14:55:39 [ola]
toys for adults.
14:55:45 [davb]
heh
14:56:07 [davb]
OpenACS is a free web toolkit for building complex interactive web sites/applications
14:56:29 [davb]
I think I put too many "web"s in there.
14:57:00 [ola]
davb: really? I ran traceroute ant it came to a halt after above.net somewhere.
14:57:02 [markd2]
davb is cookoo for webs
14:57:12 [ola]
s/ant/and
14:57:14 [davb]
Oh yeah and we have markd2
14:57:22 [markd2]
openacs.org is loading for me
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* markd2 works for cookies
15:00:35 [ola]
argh! nothing goes the way I plan.
15:00:53 [davb]
welcome to #openacs
15:00:59 [ola]
hehe
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:)
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15:25:44 [ola]
davb: can I ask you a question?
15:26:09 [davb]
sure.
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15:26:36 [ola]
hi vinod!
15:26:49 [vinod]
hey ola!
15:26:52 [ola]
davb: if I have a piece of code like this:
15:26:56 [davb]
Hi vinod
15:27:06 [vinod]
hey dave!
15:27:08 [ola]
db_transaction {
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set mp3_id [db_exec_plsql add_mp3 ""]
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db_dml update_mp3_info ""
15:27:26 [ola]
can I have the update statement in just the -postgresql.xql file and leave out that sql in -oracle.xql?
15:27:45 [ola]
so it doesn't perform the update under Oracle...
15:29:21 [davb]
I am not sure how db_transaction works...
15:29:40 [vinod]
ola: i don't think that will work
15:29:58 [ola]
bummer
15:30:02 [vinod]
if there's no query in -oracle.xql, the QD will default to whatever is in the tcl file
15:30:27 [vinod]
so, it will freak out with the blank query (i think)
15:30:41 [ola]
aha.
15:30:45 [vinod]
maybe not, though - i haven't tested that
15:32:43 [davb]
Can't you add the update_mp3_info SQL into the add_mp3 plsql?
15:33:02 [markd2]
PERFORMER is in the haüs
15:33:10 [ola]
no. too many parameters.
15:33:46 [ola]
yeah! Mr PERFORM! - thats Vinod.
15:34:07 [davb]
Like this:
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begin
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PERFORM mp3__new (stuff);
15:34:24 [vinod]
haha
15:34:32 [davb]
PERFORM moremp3__new (other stuff);
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end;
15:34:44 [davb]
or something like that.
15:34:49 [vinod]
davb: sorry for interrupting your PERFORMance
15:34:55 [ola]
heh
15:37:11 [ola]
davb: I'm not sure. I'm dased and confused..
15:38:37 [ola]
thing is I'd like to avoid backporting to oracle. that's basically it.
15:39:08 [davb]
Right.
15:39:35 [davb]
Ok. So you need the same Tcl code and different SQL.
15:39:40 [ola]
overloading would solve that but Don said it was "butt ugly"
15:39:44 [davb]
What does the Tcl look like now?
15:40:30 [ola]
well
15:41:34 [markd2]
not quite as butt ugly
15:41:34 [ola]
Tcl looks like the transaction above.
15:41:41 [ola]
hehe
15:41:50 [davb]
Ok.
15:42:15 [davb]
So it references a query in the XQL file called add mp3.
15:42:52 [ola]
ok. mp3.new takes 26 params
15:43:14 [davb]
Right. Does the oracle query just call mp3.new?
15:43:25 [ola]
I modifyed mp3__new so it only takes a few params
15:43:37 [ola]
davb: yes
15:43:47 [davb]
Ok. So hmmm...
15:44:30 [ola]
my thinking was that I could do an update after db_exec_plsql "blah"
15:44:36 [davb]
Right. Did you make another function.
15:44:39 [davb]
?
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15:44:48 [ola]
only for PG though.
15:44:55 [davb]
Or are you just doing an insert with the additional parameters?
15:45:18 [davb]
So in the Oracle XQL file will be :
15:45:21 [ola]
I didn't make a new function
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begin
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mp3.new(params);
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end;
15:45:35 [ola]
just update after the function call
15:45:40 [davb]
in postgresql would be:
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begin
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mp3__new(params);
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insert into mp3_mp3s etc....;
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end;
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15:46:32 [docwolf]
thank you, roberto
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fdisk /mbr
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(of course, finding a boot disk was another story...)
15:47:24 [ola]
davb: ok. that might work.
15:48:45 [ola]
davb: I think it does.. thanks!
15:49:05 [davb]
great!
15:49:26 [davb]
Now I am battling static-pages. Apparently it never worked with folders that existed underneath www
15:50:03 [ola]
physical folders, you mean?
15:50:34 [rbm]
moo
15:51:03 [davb]
Yeah. when it searches them, it dies.
15:51:09 [ola]
hi rbm!
15:51:10 [davb]
Hi rbm
15:51:30 [davb]
Whats the postgresql/SQL92 convention for current date?
15:51:47 [ola]
current_timestamp
15:51:56 [rbm]
what's up?
15:52:06 [rbm]
for date, current_date I think
15:52:13 [rbm]
timestamp is time and date
15:52:23 [ola]
aha.
15:52:49 [davb]
For the creation_date field in OpenACS should I use just date for timestamp?
15:53:35 [davb]
s/for/or
15:53:37 [rbm]
No, for timestamp you should use the "timestamp" type :)
15:53:41 [rbm]
ah :)
15:53:52 [rbm]
I think timestamp is better in this case.
15:53:58 [rbm]
s/better/more complete/
15:54:07 [rbm]
* rbm eats some very good, home-made, jewish bread
15:55:39 [ola]
rbm: I didn't know you knew how to bake
15:56:46 [rbm]
ola: I know how to bake some things, but not this bread. My neighbor, who is Jewish (very nice fellow), brought it to us.
16:03:02 [davb]
does v_permission_row.privilege need to be quoted here:
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perform acs_permission__grant_permission(
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v_folder_id, -- obje\ct_id
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v_permission_row.grantee_id, -- gran\tee_id
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v_permission_row.privilege -- priv\
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ilege
16:03:29 [markd2]
heh. domo arigato Mister Roberto.
16:03:55 [rbm]
domo arigato gozai mazda
16:04:08 [rbm]
markd2: Why the japanese? :)
16:04:23 [markd2]
I've got the old Styx song on my 80's playlist
16:04:37 [rbm]
davb: I don't understand the question
16:06:41 [rbm]
I Hate slashsh**
16:06:59 [davb]
Right now that call is passing general_comments_create as the value of v_permission_row.privilege.
16:07:08 [rbm]
So MyCrapSQL 4.0.0 _ALPHA_ is released. SO WHAT?
16:07:19 [davb]
If a variable is a string does it need quotes around it?
16:07:23 [rbm]
Now we're going to announce alpha releases??!!?!?
16:07:38 [davb]
postgresql is says can't parse "general_comments_create"
16:07:40 [rbm]
davb: no
16:07:49 [davb]
Ok. So its something else.
16:07:51 [rbm]
Only if you're quoting a litteral string
16:08:08 [davb]
ok. thanks
16:14:50 [davb]
ola: I got a whole bunch of these in my log
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Error: tclop: invalid return code \
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from filter proc 'Query did not return any rows.': must be filter_ok, filter_re\
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turn, or filter_break
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[16/Oct/2001:12:08:57][19293.14342][-conn7-] Notice: Querying '
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select node_id
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from host_node_map
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where host = 'www';'
16:16:31 [ola]
davb: now what did I tell you! the tree is corrupt!!
16:16:47 [davb]
Yeah, but server is serving pages, etc AOK. Weird.
16:17:12 [davb]
This is the problem I am having with acs_permssion__grant_permission:
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Error: Ns_PgExec: result status: 7\
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message: ERROR: pg_atoi: error in "general_comments_create": can't parse "gen\
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eral_comments_create"
16:19:47 [davb]
I think those things are related to this thread on openacs.org: http://openacs.org/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0002wj&topic_id=14&topic=
16:19:47 [davb]
+OpenACS%204%2e0%20Testing
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oops.
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http://openacs.org/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0002wj&topic_id=14&topic=OpenACS%204%2e0%20Testing
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16:51:21 [davb]
http://tclsoap.sourceforge.net/TclSOAP.html
16:51:21 [chump]
A: http://tclsoap.sourceforge.net/TclSOAP.html from davb
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16:51:30 [davb]
A:| SOAP and XMLRPC in Tcl
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titled item A
16:51:48 [davb]
A: This uses the standard HTTP package for Tcl and TclDOM 2.0
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commented item A
16:52:35 [ola]
davb: the insert Gilbert suggests works.
16:52:53 [davb]
Excellent.
16:58:36 [davb]
A: MIT License
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commented item A
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17:08:41 [talli]
hey guys
17:09:22 [markd2]
hey Talli
17:09:39 [ola]
hi talli
17:10:23 [talli]
how is everybody today?
17:12:13 [rbm]
'sup talli?
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17:27:18 [hazmat]
goodmorning
17:28:27 [hazmat]
anyone know anything about nssoap.sf.net
17:28:49 [hazmat]
hazmat is now known as rastafool
17:29:40 [rbm]
rastafool: haven't heard of it. What is it?
17:30:51 [rastafool]
its soap for aolserver, it got mentioned on the aolserver list a month ago, i thought it would be useful for the openacs, but i don't see any releases:(
17:31:04 [rbm]
oh
17:31:24 [rbm]
davb just posted a link to tclsoap.sourceforge.net
17:33:03 [rastafool]
hmm... that could work, i'm looking for something that create soap interfaces for some acs-service contracts. time to read the source
17:33:18 [rastafool]
s/that/that can
17:33:59 [rastafool]
rbm: thanks
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17:39:28 [davb]
hi talli
17:43:30 [rbm]
anyone knows if it's possible to have AOL as ISP being a Linux user?
17:44:04 [markd2]
only if they've moved to PPP like they've been planning
17:44:06 [talli]
i think there was something on slashdot about that
17:44:22 [rbm]
Oh, so they don't even use PPP?
17:45:25 [markd2]
for the longest time it's been "P3", a proprietary protocol
17:46:09 [rbm]
Didn't someone reverse engineer that protocol?
17:46:20 [markd2]
P3? probably not
17:47:41 [rbm]
I think it was on /.
17:49:13 [markd2]
I searched for "P3" on slashdot and got nothing
17:50:48 [rbm]
look in the AOL topic
17:50:50 [davb]
I sent a mail to the nssoap developers. Hopefully I can find out whats going on. It would be great to have an AOLserver module.
17:52:05 [talli]
where is nssoap development going on?
17:52:19 [rbm]
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/10/09/1826205&mode=thread
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B: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/10/09/1826205&mode=thread from rbm
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B:| AOL Protocol Revealed
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titled item B
17:52:30 [davb]
http://nssoap.sf.net
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C: http://nssoap.sf.net from davb
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C:| NSSOAP AOLserver modules project
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titled item C
17:53:02 [talli]
where is there any info on AOLserver4, btw?
17:53:07 [talli]
i can't find it anywhere
17:56:47 [davb]
probably the best place to find out is the mailing list.
18:07:45 [talli]
damn mailing lists
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18:29:42 [davb]
Cool. lightning fast response on nssoap.
18:31:02 [davb]
Its just a port of TclSOAP. Not bad at all.
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