IRC log of openacs on 2001-10-12

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00:22:56 [rbm]
anyone?
00:25:34 [rbm]
rownum!
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01:57:36 [rafa]
hi
02:10:25 [rbm]
hi
02:11:53 [rafa]
how are you doing roberto
02:12:13 [rbm]
Not too good. But gotta be positive, so not too bad.
02:12:23 [rafa]
what's ip?
02:12:31 [rafa]
s/ip/up/
02:12:34 [rbm]
:)
02:14:38 [rafa]
what di they do?
02:15:24 [rbm]
rafa: It would take me half an hour to explain, so I'm not going to even try.
02:15:35 [rafa]
I get the picture anyway
02:15:51 [rafa]
have you played with cms?
02:16:13 [rbm]
rafa: A little bit.
02:16:30 [rafa]
I am half argentinean... you can't imagine how many times they told me Rio was Argentinas capital...
02:17:05 [rafa]
In hi school in CA I was once asked if we had TV sets!
02:17:22 [rafa]
that gives you an idea of what some people think of our countries
02:17:47 [rafa]
cms: I am trying to get a demo up
02:18:01 [rafa]
just playing around
02:19:03 [rbm]
have you looked at ETP? It's nice.
02:19:18 [rbm]
rafa: I've been asked if I had ever seen a car.
02:19:36 [rafa]
whow that's even better!
02:19:49 [rafa]
have a look at:http://openacs.org/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0002tx&topic_id=14&topic=OpenACS%204%2e0%20Testing
02:20:04 [rafa]
I haven't tried ETP
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02:20:26 [docwolf]
hola
02:20:48 [rafa]
buenos dias
02:21:10 [rafa]
o noches (?)
02:21:19 [docwolf]
noches. i'm in michigan
02:25:10 [rafa]
what time?
02:25:57 [rafa]
rbm: I have a set of pages and do not need a complex workflow. You reckon ETP is better?
02:27:17 [talli]
rafa: ETP is better if you're looking to get something up ASAP
02:27:26 [talli]
in fact, from what I've heard, ETP is just better.
02:27:54 [talli]
i'm kinda tooting my own (or luke's) horn, but ETP actually works. which is more than most people can say about CMS
02:29:04 [rafa]
i am trying to show some people how coold OACS is. CMS offers a lot of functionalities that they would find in things like Vignette
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02:29:25 [rafa]
(at least that what the package offers) I am not sure what delivers
02:32:07 [davb]
Hi
02:32:20 [docwolf]
yo
02:35:37 [davb]
* davb endorses ETP, but CMS does have more buzzword compliance.
02:35:57 [talli]
what are you trying to show?
02:36:19 [rafa]
reading ETP docs, I see that I am not the only one having problems understanding CMS use
02:36:32 [talli]
that's why it's better :)
02:36:39 [talli]
it just doesn't make any sense
02:36:41 [rafa]
I was hoping that the CMS_news demo would put me up to speed quickly
02:36:57 [davb]
99% of web sites don't need the stuff in CMS. Large corporate organizations THINK they need all the whiz-bang features in CMS.
02:37:05 [rafa]
talli: it makes sense in big projects
02:37:06 [talli]
luke built it because he spent a day trying to work with it. if luke spends a day working on something with the ACS and makes no progress, it probably sucks
02:37:31 [talli]
there's nothing in the CMS that can't be built into ETP
02:37:37 [talli]
ETP uses the CMS data model
02:37:49 [talli]
but without all the horrible CMS interface code
02:38:23 [talli]
there's basically no reason ETP can't be used in big projects, at least as well as an unworkable CMS
02:38:31 [rafa]
I havent' seen much of either. what people buying cms is looking for is:
02:38:52 [rafa]
1 content people do not need to learn html to put a page
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2. they can design workflows so more than 1 can work on the same doc
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3. rol back at any time
02:39:57 [rafa]
well those are the ones that come to my tired mind now ;-)
02:40:10 [talli]
1) has not been implemented, but will be soon
02:40:23 [davb]
talli: re 1) cool!
02:40:39 [talli]
2) no prob, at least not as much as CMS currently has. there's no reason workflow can't be used with ETP
02:40:44 [talli]
3) it's already in there
02:41:00 [talli]
i gotta step away. brn
02:41:02 [talli]
brb
02:41:14 [rafa]
I will have to install it and play a bit ;-)
02:41:33 [davb]
The data model is really great for ETP. And it is easy to work with it.
02:45:53 [rafa]
tried to download it but get a time out from museatech
02:47:42 [davb]
You can check it out with OpenACS 4. cvs co edit-this-page from your openacs-4/packages directory. (if you are using CVS)
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02:51:08 [rafa]
It downloaded now..
02:51:16 [talli]
cool
02:51:40 [talli]
any idea why you get a timeout?
02:51:40 [talli]
is it the network or the machine? not good for our rep if it's on our side...
02:54:04 [rafa]
it said something lilke socket timeout... did not pay much atention. I just called the url in the browser and saved the file
02:54:24 [rafa]
then installed using files in APM
02:54:54 [rafa]
it installed beatifully in 30 secs, I am looking at it now
02:55:41 [Spork]
bah
02:55:50 [Spork]
* Spork pokes davb in the eye with talli
02:56:10 [davb]
aiigh!
02:56:16 [Spork]
:)
02:56:22 [Spork]
* Spork pokes dave with a spork
02:56:27 [davb]
* davb experiences an eye-socket timeout
02:56:32 [Spork]
lol
02:57:00 [Spork]
i showed my resumee to the career center peeps
02:57:10 [Spork]
They like :)
02:57:17 [Spork]
Just a few minor adjustments
02:57:25 [davb]
cool
02:57:26 [Spork]
i'm all set...now someone give me a job
02:57:50 [davb]
sorry there aren't any. Here is your spatula...
02:58:13 [Spork]
D'oh
02:58:34 [Spork]
hmmm
02:58:39 [Spork]
Yankees better not lose again today
02:58:47 [Spork]
1 more and they're out of the playoffs
03:00:46 [Spork]
I think I'll do the modem rack tomorrow
03:00:52 [Spork]
I'm not in the mood for ACS ;)
03:04:02 [rafa]
i apologize then but I wanted to thank talli
03:04:09 [rafa]
its really cool!
03:04:22 [rafa]
I already have a couple of pages with my own templates
03:04:40 [davb]
See!
03:04:46 [davb]
Its great.
03:04:53 [talli]
good to hear raga
03:04:56 [talli]
rafa
03:05:09 [davb]
* davb is not paid to advertise for ETP...
03:05:15 [talli]
ETP is really cool. like i said, it actually works :)
03:05:26 [rbm]
ETP roxq0rs
03:05:45 [talli]
at musea we have our own acronym: TGFL
03:05:47 [rafa]
I spend 3 hours yestarday and 1 today with CMS...
03:05:54 [talli]
it stands for Thank God For Luke
03:06:01 [rafa]
it tokk 5 min maybe less with this
03:06:33 [talli]
it really is incredible that aD was able to fuck up one of their most critical apps so badly
03:06:44 [talli]
now, they have chosen to fire all of their best people. oh well.
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03:06:56 [talli]
rbm, we really need to get that word "Arsdigita" out of the name
03:07:04 [talli]
it reflects badly on us
03:07:32 [rbm]
We've been looking for a new name for a while now
03:07:35 [talli]
rafa, we've managed to build relatively complicated websites in a week with ETP. it's really easy to build templates with
03:08:33 [docwolf]
looks like
03:08:38 [docwolf]
the aD issue
03:08:45 [docwolf]
made it to everyone's "favorite" site
03:08:56 [docwolf]
http://forum.fuckedcompany.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/133309.html
03:08:56 [chump]
E: http://forum.fuckedcompany.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/133309.html from docwolf
03:10:07 [rbm]
uhhhh
03:10:26 [rbm]
When I think that aD had everything to succeed and be a great company...
03:10:33 [rbm]
It's sad.
03:11:16 [davb]
Almost everything. Too bad they lost direction.
03:12:11 [davb]
Cool word for new name? interiority
03:12:17 [rbm]
There's even a forum on yahoo for ex-aD'ers
03:12:28 [rbm]
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ex-ad
03:12:28 [chump]
F: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ex-ad from rbm
03:12:30 [davb]
wow.
03:12:31 [docwolf]
rbm: that should be a party...
03:12:36 [docwolf]
i should probably join
03:12:43 [rbm]
:)
03:12:49 [rbm]
davb: I agree.
03:14:52 [rafa]
got to go, see u
03:14:57 [rbm]
picaboo
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03:19:50 [talli]
anyone know who pumpin the puppy is?
03:19:56 [rbm]
no idea
03:20:02 [davb]
More words to think about: noggin , reservatory
03:20:15 [talli]
what are you guys talking about?
03:20:18 [AaronSw]
Thanks to whomever runs ex-ad ;)
03:20:29 [davb]
I am thinking about names.
03:20:45 [davb]
brainstorming.
03:21:09 [AaronSw]
The Noggin Community System -- sounds good to me
03:21:10 [rbm]
I've suggested "supimpa" but someone told me it sounds like a Nissan ad for a car in Mexico
03:21:42 [talli]
it sounds more like some guy that's on the corner in platform boots and a big floppy hat
03:21:49 [talli]
named Smooth Willy
03:22:23 [talli]
i was thinking something like Carnival or something
03:22:40 [AaronSw]
Just replace ArsDigita with Active.
03:22:43 [rbm]
The Carnivore Community System
03:22:43 [AaronSw]
Active Community System!
03:22:58 [talli]
how about Another Community System
03:23:03 [davb]
heh
03:23:17 [talli]
no, i think, as ben once said, "community system" has got to go too
03:23:17 [docwolf]
how about Brutus
03:23:22 [docwolf]
(inside aD joke)
03:23:32 [davb]
rbm: please remind me what supimpa means...
03:23:34 [davb]
Yeah,
03:23:34 [rbm]
docwolf: elaborate, please?
03:23:35 [rbm]
:)
03:23:38 [talli]
will the explanation be on yahoo groups?
03:23:45 [docwolf]
heh...
03:23:46 [davb]
So Noggin.
03:23:53 [rbm]
davb: it means "cool", but it's 70's slang
03:23:55 [davb]
Or we can make up a new work.
03:24:07 [davb]
s/work/word
03:24:14 [rbm]
WeHateMySQL System
03:24:22 [talli]
anyway, i was thinking Carnival as a metaphor for the system - a group of many pieces, each of which contributes to make the system different
03:24:32 [davb]
supimpa.com is taken.
03:24:44 [davb]
Heh.
03:24:48 [rbm]
talli: gotta have naked chixq0rs if it's going to be carnival
03:24:50 [AaronSw]
Active Carnival Society?
03:25:16 [talli]
gotta have naked chicks anyway you look at, IMHO
03:25:19 [rbm]
Stop talking interesting stuff or I'll never get my hmwk done :)
03:25:23 [rbm]
talli: :)
03:25:50 [talli]
pat colgan suggested a good idea
03:25:54 [davb]
Ok, noone think until rbm is done with his homework.
03:26:44 [rbm]
davb: :)
03:27:05 [talli]
to name it after a central plaza
03:27:39 [talli]
for instance ...
03:28:10 [talli]
Zocalo
03:28:44 [talli]
http://www.mexicocity.com.mx/zocal2.html
03:28:44 [chump]
G: http://www.mexicocity.com.mx/zocal2.html from talli
03:28:50 [docwolf]
my thinking
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was "functional"
03:29:02 [docwolf]
in that
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it's no longer a "community system"
03:29:15 [talli]
G: This great square, called the Zocalo, evokes the place of homage and center of the world which was the heart of the ceremonial nucleus of Mexico-Tenochtitlan. The Zocalo brings together the rhythmic beating of drums, the ankle-rattles of the native dancers and the glowing incense of modern day medicine men. A point of reference, of protest, of ritual and of national celebration, by night it offers an imposing spectacle which culminates in the tumul
03:29:15 [chump]
commented item G
03:29:18 [docwolf]
it's really a "framework" for designing a dynamic site
03:29:26 [docwolf]
and the name should reflect that
03:29:34 [davb]
docwolf: right.
03:29:38 [rbm]
docwolf: good thinking
03:29:43 [davb]
* davb agrees with everyone ahead to save time...
03:30:04 [talli]
good point
03:30:10 [davb]
Small
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Pieces Loosely Joined
03:30:21 [AaronSw]
JOHO
03:30:35 [davb]
yep. Talli's explaination made me think of it.
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gah
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stupid thing is sporking on me
03:32:55 [talli]
spork, are you psyche?
03:35:18 [talli]
G: one of talli's suggestions for the new name
03:35:18 [chump]
commented item G
03:35:35 [rbm]
Zocalo is not bad actually
03:36:04 [talli]
although it does kind of sound like zope
03:36:07 [talli]
which is not good
03:36:33 [davb]
.com and .org are taken.
03:36:34 [rbm]
yeah
03:36:44 [davb]
also .net
03:37:50 [talli]
yeah, but i bet .info is still available :)
03:39:07 [rbm]
zocalo.tv :)
03:42:26 [davb]
eccentric nucleus (pattern #28 in A Pattern Language)
03:43:04 [davb]
or #45 Necklace of Community Projects
03:43:22 [davb]
or #58 Carnival (for Talli)
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03:45:16 [talli]
ok guys. i'm crashing. talk to you tomorrow
03:45:22 [davb]
later!
03:45:29 [talli]
btw, rbm - i'm volunteering to help with documentation
03:45:34 [talli]
later
03:45:34 [AaronSw]
you know those are being blocked because they start with #
03:45:35 [davb]
Cool.
03:45:37 [AaronSw]
bye talli
03:45:41 [davb]
ARHG!
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blocked from the logs that is
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03:45:45 [davb]
heh
03:46:05 [davb]
at least you told me before i got to 204
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81 Small Services Without Red Tape
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talli: excellent
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114 Hierarchy of Open Space
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126 Something Roughly in the middle
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129 Common Areas at the heart
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134 Zen View
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172 Garden Growing WIld (for our friends)
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178 Compost (or those who are not)
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206 Efficient Structure
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236 Windows which open wide
03:49:18 [davb]
Ok enough. Obviously its time for me to go.
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I will look at those tomorrow when my brain is working. Thanks for listening!
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G:
04:57:32 [chump]
http://www.mexicocity.com.mx/zocal2.html
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(talli) This great square, called the Zocalo, evokes the place of homage and center of the world which was the heart of the ceremonial nucleus of Mexico-Tenochtitlan. The Zocalo brings together the rhythmic beating of drums, the ankle-rattles of the native dancers and the glowing incense of modern day medicine men. A point of reference, of protest, of ritual and of national celebration, by night it offers an imposing spectacle which culminates
04:57:34 [chump]
(talli) one of talli's suggestions for the new name
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if i have a query
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that all of the sudden
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anyone awake
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hey everyone!
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14:26:44 [ola]
I need to fetch a brand new mp3_id for mp3__new. is this the same as an object_id?
14:27:08 [davb]
yes.
14:27:44 [ola]
there is a view acs_object_id_seq but i doesent return a thing
14:28:50 [davb]
That is for oracle/postgresql compatability. You can call acs_object_id_seq.nextval and get the next id in the sequence. You never need to call that.
14:30:16 [ola]
aha. like this: select acs_rel_id_seq.nextval; ?
14:30:26 [davb]
yes.
14:30:28 [ola]
cool.
14:30:32 [ola]
thanks
14:30:40 [davb]
np
14:33:14 [davb]
yes. mp3__new calls acs_object__new, gets the object_id and stuff it into mp3_mp3s
14:33:19 [davb]
as the mp3_id
14:38:11 [ola]
ah. so the way I ported it is wrong? :
14:38:13 [ola]
create function mp3__new (integer,varchar,varchar,varchar,varchar,varchar,integer,varchar,varchar,integer,boolean,integer,integer,boolean,numeric,integer)
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returns integer as '
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declare
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p_mp3_idalias for $1; -- default null
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p_file_pathalias for $2; -- default null
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p_titlealias for $3; -- default null
14:38:20 [ola]
...
14:38:47 [ola]
hmmm..
14:39:05 [ola]
I take mp3_id as a parameter
14:39:38 [davb]
no, i think that's ok... you should. All of the __new functions do. Just the way you use it is to pass NULL as the id.
14:40:07 [ola]
aha
14:40:48 [davb]
acs_object_new accepts an ID also. I think you COULD use your own ID numbers instead of taking the ones acs_object__new assigns you.
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14:48:44 [ola]
hi vinod!
14:49:00 [vinod]
hey ola!
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power outage...
14:49:37 [ola]
vinod: do you need some help with the docs?
14:50:15 [vinod]
ola: well, rbm is putting together a document that outlines our documentation plan
14:50:16 [ola]
I can convert to DocBook and PDF...
14:50:29 [vinod]
but undoubtedly, we'll need all the help we can get :-)
14:51:00 [vinod]
ola: cool! I'm a DocBook newbie, so I'll probably need your help
14:53:24 [ola]
davb: is your hard drive ok?
14:54:04 [davb]
yeah, but its not mine anyway :)
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15:01:03 [rbm]
Where does chump log to again?
15:02:20 [davb]
http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog/
15:05:31 [rbm]
davb: thanks
15:06:10 [davb]
np. its easy for me to remember.
15:06:13 [rbm]
Was it you that posted that CSS reference linx the other day?
15:06:18 [davb]
I have to get the search working.
15:06:20 [rbm]
8-)
15:06:21 [davb]
Probably.
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I'm looking for it.
15:06:47 [davb]
like I said, I have to get search working. I'll have to get the information in the database one of these days.
15:07:14 [davb]
Or just use static pages to index them....
15:08:37 [davb]
all I can find is one on 10/4 http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Guide/Style
15:09:38 [davb]
there's more css links here: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/radio-blog-day.adp?entry_date=2001%2d10%2d09
15:09:53 [davb]
I also need to categorize my weblog so the CSS stuff is easier to find.
15:10:55 [rbm]
I think that's the one
15:15:00 [rbm]
davb: that's good stuff!
15:15:59 [davb]
Yep.
15:21:50 [ola]
hey guys, can you help me select the 13 most interesting keys from the following list: :-)
15:22:06 [ola]
1: artist - Digger
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2: album - PowerbaitTCO
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3: title - I Want My Hat Back
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4: genre -
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5: copyright - 1
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6: stereo - 1
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7: padding - 1
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8: frame_length - 12
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9: size - 2295612
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10: frequency - 8
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11: mm - 2
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12: bitrate - 112
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13: layer - 1
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14: ms - 972.285714285704
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15: frames - 184468
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16: time - 02:43
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17: version - 2.5
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18: mode - 1
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19: secs - 163.972285714286
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20: ss - 43
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21: vbr - 0
15:25:52 [ola]
maybe I missed something when it comes to overloading functions, but I don't think I can have them all (21) plus about six more in the db..?!
15:26:28 [rbm]
You can have up to 36 parameters in a function?
15:26:32 [rbm]
s/?//
15:26:52 [davb]
in postgresql??
15:27:26 [rbm]
yes
15:27:35 [ola]
how does overloading work?
15:28:05 [ola]
I read the code referenced from the FAQ, but still dont get it.
15:28:36 [davb]
There can be more than one function with the same name. Postgresql checks the parameters to determine which function you are calling.
15:29:09 [davb]
So you could have function(integer) and function(integer,varchar)
15:30:24 [davb]
For OpenACS, you would figure out the most popular choices and create a function that had some of them set explicitly instead of passed in.
15:30:47 [ola]
so I can insert in the first one and update some columns in the second?
15:30:57 [davb]
Most of the functions have way more parameters than are actually used.
15:31:07 [davb]
Yes, but that would be bad form for OpenACS, i think.
15:31:19 [davb]
you'd want mp3__new and mp3__update
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or something like that.
15:31:57 [ola]
hmmm.
15:32:34 [rbm]
true
15:32:56 [davb]
Check out acs-content-repository/sql/postgresql/content-item.sql
15:33:06 [ola]
I was thinking I could decimate the params to 13 (plus some other necessary).
15:33:41 [davb]
That is probably tricky. You might need to split it into 2 functions. Essential info, and optional info. That was you can set them all if they exist.
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but you would have to backport that to the oracle version.
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doh! I'm still confused - mp3__new needs to insert more than 16 values
15:41:42 [ola]
how should I split it?
15:43:32 [ola]
insert a few in the first mp3__new and then update the other values in the next mp3__new with a different set of params, or what?
15:44:13 [davb]
I have an idea, don't know if its good.
15:44:23 [ola]
ok.
15:44:27 [ola]
cool.
15:44:30 [davb]
Create 2 helper functions that handle the insert. insert_1 and insert_2.
15:44:41 [davb]
wait
15:44:44 [davb]
that doesn't work.
15:44:46 [davb]
argh
15:45:18 [ola]
thanks for trying! :-)
15:45:31 [davb]
rbm: don't postgresql functions only take 16 parameters?
15:46:13 [ola]
otherwise there would be no problem..
15:46:32 [rbm]
davb: I thought it was 30-something. But I could be wrong. It doesn sound kind of high.
15:46:48 [rbm]
Maybe it was 16 but we are pushing the team to bump it to 32 or something.
15:47:22 [ola]
yeah, I think that's it.
15:49:05 [davb]
Ok. So ola needs two functions Mp3_new whichs creates the acs_object and maybe inserts tha name, artist, length and bitrate or something.
15:49:16 [davb]
then another function that sets the rest of the mp3 information.
15:52:09 [ola]
..and the I would call them inside a transaction??
15:53:20 [davb]
call them inside a db_exec_plsql. A pl/pgsql function is a transaction.
16:09:54 [rbm]
w;)
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16:52:58 [davb]
Is there anything like this that actually works? How hard would it be to do with free software that already exists?
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http://ifolderdemo.novell.com/
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A: http://ifolderdemo.novell.com/ from davb
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A:| Novell iFolder automagically synchronizes files on many machines
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titled item A
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A: You need a Novell ifolder server plus an ifolder client for each client machine
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commented item A
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Hi everyone. What's new?
17:26:18 [markd2]
hiya
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hey vinod!
17:26:38 [markd2]
Meet Curtis - a friend of mine
17:26:47 [vinod]
hey markd2!
17:27:05 [vinod]
hey curtis, sorry to hear you're associated with mark ;-)
17:27:11 [curtisg]
Hah!
17:27:22 [curtisg]
Don't worry, I am thousands of miles away from him.
17:27:30 [markd2]
turns out we grew up within 20 miles of each other
17:27:53 [vinod]
cool - where was that again? arkansas?
17:27:56 [curtisg]
And now we are on the same IRC channel! It's a small world!
17:28:03 [curtisg]
Yep, home of Bill Clinton
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and others.
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* markd2 sings an annoying song
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* vinod covers his ears
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* curtisg looks for the control panel
17:29:22 [vinod]
how was the musical, markd2?
17:29:27 [markd2]
pretty good
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tonight is opening night
17:29:48 [vinod]
cool! which musical are you doing?
17:30:19 [curtisg]
* curtisg scratches his head in puzzlement, then gives up
17:30:26 [markd2]
"Annie Get your Gun"
17:31:16 [vinod]
ahhh... i've never seen that one
17:31:46 [markd2]
me neither
17:31:51 [markd2]
but I know the music pretty well now :-)
17:32:07 [vinod]
haha - single focus... i like it :-)
17:32:32 [markd2]
and the stage is behind me
17:34:00 [curtisg]
All I have is a pennywhistle.
17:34:13 [markd2]
sounds like something from an Ian Flemming novel
17:34:25 [markd2]
oh, 'loggy' is a logbot. and chump is a bot that looks for urls that are posted
17:34:37 [markd2]
they don't get logged
17:34:42 [curtisg]
Pleased to meet you loggy and chump.
17:35:04 [curtisg]
I got a blurb when I signed on warning me that it was logged.
17:35:12 [markd2]
ah, cool
17:35:15 [curtisg]
So I better not say anything I will regret later.
17:35:41 [vinod]
yeah, it's mostly so we can immortalize all the great tidbits that markd2 spouts off
17:35:58 [markd2]
like that
17:36:01 [rbm]
* rbm is having trouble printing from cups
17:36:04 [vinod]
haha
17:36:36 [vinod]
i haven't used cups
17:36:56 [rbm]
I wish printing on Linux was more standardized.
17:37:15 [vinod]
me too. i think i used magicfilter
17:39:29 [davb]
I just don't print.
17:40:00 [curtisg]
* curtisg is having trouble drinking from cups
17:40:10 [markd2]
save your dixie cups! the south will rise again!
17:40:16 [vinod]
* vinod hands curtisg a straw
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* curtisg slurps
17:40:24 [curtisg]
Thank you.
17:41:00 [vinod]
davb has realized the mythical paperless office
17:43:59 [davb]
I have the printer on my desk, which is good, except its an HP IIID and takes up a considerable amount of real estate.
17:44:14 [rbm]
I had a 4L, pretty small
17:44:39 [rbm]
You need "WHERE sno NOT IN"
17:44:42 [rbm]
oops
17:44:56 [davb]
Progeny Debian has a really nice setup interface for printing, but it just does not work with my printer.
17:47:09 [curtisg]
Anybody want a LaserWriter IIfx?
17:47:13 [rbm]
argh!
17:47:13 [markd2]
heh
17:47:28 [rbm]
CUPS doesn't feel like printing my PS output
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http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20011011.html
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B: http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20011011.html from davb
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B:|Cringely says Broadband Internet Access is Dead
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titled item B
17:52:19 [rbm]
anyone know how to use magifilter?
17:52:42 [davb]
sorry, that is what I have and I can't convince it to print.
17:52:58 [vinod]
i just did:
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apt-get install magicfilter
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magicfilterconfig --force
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input filter: dj550c
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* rbm is apt-getting
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device path: /dev/usb/lp0
17:53:54 [davb]
I think my actual parallel port setup is broken.
17:54:14 [vinod]
the stumbling blocks i had were getting the usb device setup and then figuring out which filter in the list corresponded to my printer
17:54:35 [vinod]
davb: yeah, i haven't used my parallel ports
17:55:54 [davb]
My other plan is to set it up so I can print across the network using a printer on a windows machine.
17:59:20 [rbm]
Still no go for me
18:06:02 [vinod]
does it give you an error?
18:07:53 [rbm]
I was using cups. Got rid of it, installed lprng and it worked fine
18:08:57 [vinod]
cool!
18:15:11 [davb]
rbm check it out: http://slashdot.org/articles/01/10/12/1423233.shtml
18:17:29 [rbm]
davb: I had seen that
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Too expensive for me
18:19:26 [davb]
yeah.
18:19:41 [davb]
I just saw that part.
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heeelooo heeelooo
18:21:51 [markd2]
hey talli
18:22:22 [talli]
que pasa markd?
18:22:30 [markd2]
nada pasa
18:22:31 [markd2]
on a conf.call
18:22:54 [talli]
with aD dudes?
18:23:01 [davb]
hi talli
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18:27:14 [rbm]
LyX is so cool
18:27:24 [davb]
rbm: an old PC with this is better http://www.evation.com/orders/online.html
18:28:31 [rbm]
There are cheaper IR receivers
18:28:48 [davb]
Wow. Cool.
18:28:57 [davb]
I'll have to look into that.
18:29:15 [rbm]
I did my jukebox with a keypad, but an IR would've been somewhat better.
18:29:30 [rbm]
You can get an IR receiver at RadioShack
18:29:41 [davb]
spiffy.
18:29:59 [rbm]
Don't forget you have to get a display
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18:31:36 [talli]
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/Business/Polaroid
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C: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/Business/Polaroid from talli
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C: Polaroid files for Chapter 11
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commented item C
18:35:23 [vinod]
wow, that kinda sucks.
18:37:13 [markd2]
the dawn of cheap digital cameras probably did them in
18:37:16 [davb]
who gets the patents?
18:44:04 [curtisg]
They were supposed to be making money on cheap digital cameras.
18:44:11 [curtisg]
At least, that was the idea.
18:44:28 [markd2]
I got tired of peeling off the back of the camera after each shot
18:46:21 [curtisg]
I guess you don't have to be a dot-com loser to screw up big time.
18:58:49 [talli]
what do you guys think about setting up a new web/db forum at an "objective" URl?
18:58:54 [talli]
i have openweb.org
18:59:16 [talli]
do you think there's anyway of resuscitating web/db so that it might be like the web/db of old?
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damn vinod
19:04:08 [davb]
talli: not a bad idea. But I think the attraction for web/db was ACS mostly. What exactly would people talk about on your forum?
19:05:55 [davb]
Actually it was the AOLserver/Oracle forum mostly.
19:07:16 [talli]
dunno
19:07:20 [talli]
web/db :)
19:12:38 [davb]
talli: ok, What might be more interesting is a forum about the community building and information sharing aspects of this type of software.
19:13:54 [davb]
BTW, that is a cool domain name.
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19:49:10 [talli]
thanks davb. i managed to find it right as it was expiring
19:49:24 [talli]
we should set up some kind of open source activism site on it
19:53:51 [AaronSw]
'lo all
19:53:55 [davb]
Hey AaronSw
19:53:57 [AaronSw]
hi CurtisG
19:54:01 [AaronSw]
hi DavB
19:54:12 [davb]
talli: yeah especially with the W3C patent stuff going on.
19:55:36 [AaronSw]
C:that really sucks
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commented item C
20:08:54 [talli]
davb: yes, i agree
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we should think of something to do
20:09:20 [AaronSw]
I think we've got the W3C patent stuff taken care of.
20:09:33 [talli]
we're goign to be (hopefully) building an activist app soon enough
20:09:46 [AaronSw]
Even Apple, who's a member of the Patent Working Group has been convinced to turn against RAND
20:09:48 [talli]
either way, there are plenty of IP related issues to be active over
20:10:17 [davb]
cool.
20:10:51 [talli]
btw, guys. here is an (almost) alpha version of OpenACS
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http://openacs.museatech.net
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D: http://openacs.museatech.net from talli
20:11:11 [davb]
wow. I was just going to ask.
20:11:25 [talli]
D: Almost alpha (not pre-alpha) view of the new OpenACS.org
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commented item D
20:11:39 [AaronSw]
D:Oooh, pretty...
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commented item D
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D:Bug about not closing <pre> in the recent posts sidebar
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commented item D
20:14:32 [AaronSw]
Anyone know if Philip ever posted pictures of his RV?
20:15:34 [davb]
talli: what do you think of the idea of a custom interface for an ETP application? That is a certain application would use different pages than the default.
20:28:37 [talli]
how do you mean?
20:31:14 [davb]
I'm not exactly sure, just something I was thinking about. If I decide to do it, I'll build it and then show you what I mean.
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But for now I have to go...
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hola pat
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are you a first time acs'er?
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welcome to the openacs IRC channel
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we open our arms to embrace you with love
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howdy
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hi rbm.
22:43:50 [davb]
Hey AaronSw, care to discuss blogspace a little bit. Specifically, I am wondering if it allows for multiple content items on a page.
22:44:03 [AaronSw]
Not yet... but it should.
22:44:33 [AaronSw]
I don't have a lot of time to work on Blogspace, lately... I'm on to other things.
22:44:57 [davb]
Yeah. OK. Just wondering.
22:45:04 [AaronSw]
I think ETP does a lot of what I inteded it to do.
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at least the first round, anyway
22:45:59 [rbm]
hi everyone.
22:46:17 [davb]
Aha. OK, well I am working with ETP so I guess I have a good start then.
22:46:56 [davb]
I am trying to figure out the best way to have multiple editable sections on a page with #anchors to the differernt sections.
22:47:15 [davb]
Obviously I can just write then in the content as HTML, but I want the system to be aware of the links.
22:47:15 [AaronSw]
Hmm, actually there's a lot of things ETP doesn't have... but it's a good start
22:47:46 [AaronSw]
Yeah, I was thinking that pages should be structural so you could visit a group of items, the items individually, a list of the items, etc.
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the system should unserstand the structure.
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Might be time to talk to Luke. I think I am thinking of all the features he is thinking of, but he hasn't gotten to them yet.
22:48:38 [davb]
That would be very interesting.
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I just need to think about it a little more.
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Basically I think what it needs is extendable attributes that can be multiple.
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I gotta write this stuff down and get back to work on static pages. I think I will be searching the chump with that.
22:51:58 [davb]
argh. Xblog and Webword have trouble keeping their XML consistent with their web sites.
22:54:20 [AaronSw]
davb, know about syndic8.com?
22:54:47 [rbm]
openacs.museatech.net is kicking some serious butt
22:54:53 [davb]
yeah. I am on the syndication list.
22:55:06 [davb]
yumm. playdoh pizza
22:55:25 [hazmat]
is syndic8 the same as carmen's headline thingy..?
22:55:50 [AaronSw]
no, but from the creator of Headline Viewer
22:59:24 [hazmat]
ahh. that explains why the web page vaguley familiar
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