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00:01:13 <rafa> yes.. but if it is a bug I wouldnt be detecting it
00:02:01 <rafa> I wanted to update package by package but for some reason the CVS admin files of my old code is broken so CVS doesn't update
00:02:55 <rafa> have a meeting now, will try more later
00:03:03 <til> good luck
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01:03:03 <davb> rafa get ns_xml from here: http://acs-misc.sourceforce.net
01:03:26 <davb> Mine is 1.4 and it says March 2000. I think someone never changed the date.
01:04:17 <davb> look in the README for the ns_xml source you have for this: Release notes:
01:04:17 <davb> Version 1.4, released on 07/09/2001
02:28:15 <rbm> * rbm looks around
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03:22:07 <rzolf> re
03:22:57 <rzolf> acs workflow is still dorked.
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03:27:53 <rzolf> actually the CVS tree is worse than before.
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04:29:04 <rafa> davb: thanks that worked
04:29:40 <rafa> vinod: your oACS doc has a link to an old nsxml package
04:34:52 <vinod> rafa: thanks. you don't happen to have the new link on hand, do ya?
04:35:33 <vinod> rafa: ahh. just got your email. thanks!
04:36:54 <rafa> sure, nsxml brings trouble to so many people! if we could get aolserver people to update it we might be saving other people's time
04:37:56 <rafa> the other thing I noticed is that your document is not very noticeable.
04:38:16 <rafa> we should exploit it puting a link in openacs.org/4
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04:38:26 <rafa> it is very helpful
04:39:43 <vinod> rafa: thanks. i appreciate your feedback. it's linked from the faq on openacs.org/4, but not directly from openacs.org/4 (I think roberto could change it)
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04:41:32 <rbm> Yes, I could change that
04:41:59 <rafa> I am trying to update code from CVS. the origina is Don's tarball and I get *PANIC* administration files missing
04:42:05 <rafa> any ideas?
04:42:15 <rafa> can I force CVS to create them?
04:42:29 <rbm> cvs update -PAd is what I use
04:45:01 <rafa> thanks that did the trick
04:45:31 <rbm> That deletes removed files and adds new files
04:46:57 <rbm> * rbm installs Quicken in his new Win2k box
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05:29:37 <rzolf> subsites are still hosed.
05:30:31 <vinod> did you get the core to install?
05:30:35 <rzolf> yes.
05:30:47 <rzolf> now i can install 1 subsite, but not more than 1.
05:31:04 <vinod> i haven't worked on subsites yet. what happens if you add another subsite?
05:31:21 <rzolf> i have gitdown.com, i added subsite called "ibd"
05:31:24 <rzolf> that seemed to work fine.
05:31:35 <rzolf> then i added another subsite called "rolf"
05:32:12 <rzolf> and get
05:32:15 <rzolf> Database operation "0or1row" failed (exception NSDB, "Query was not a statement returning rows.")
05:32:15 <rzolf>     while executing
05:32:15 <rzolf> "ns_pg_bind 0or1row nsdb0 {
05:32:16 <rzolf>       
05:32:16 <rzolf> select case when count(*) = 0 then 0 else 1 end 
05:32:16 <rzolf>  from apm_packages
05:32:18 <rzolf> where package_id = :new_package_id
05:33:32 <rzolf> my irc client
05:33:36 <rzolf> hosed some of that error message.
05:33:55 <vinod> hmmm... lemme try to retrace your steps.
05:33:59 <vinod> you did a fresh install
05:34:05 <rzolf> yes
05:34:10 <rzolf> dropped db
05:34:13 <rzolf> recreated db
05:34:24 <vinod> then go to site map and make a subfolder 'ibd'
05:34:28 <rzolf> yes
05:34:37 <rzolf> then new application "ACS Subsite"
05:34:50 <rzolf> that worked fine.
05:34:55 <rzolf> then within ibd
05:35:07 <rzolf> created new subfolder, of new application "ticket tracker"
05:35:10 <rzolf> that worked fine
05:35:18 <rzolf> then here is the part i didnt tell you ;-)
05:35:25 <rzolf> but i dont know if it matters.
05:35:27 <rzolf> but maybe.
05:35:45 <rzolf> i created subfolder within the main site
05:35:49 <rzolf> named "rolf"
05:35:59 <rzolf> of new application "edit this page"
05:36:08 <rzolf> then i unmounted that subfolder, and deleted it.
05:36:17 <rzolf> then i created a new subfolder within the main site
05:36:21 <rzolf> named "rolf" (again"
05:36:32 <rzolf> of new applicatiion "acs subsite" 
05:36:36 <rzolf> server error
05:36:53 <vinod> i think you're right - that extra stuff you did didn't matter
05:37:03 <vinod> i just tried to create ibd and then rolf and crash!
05:37:07 <rzolf> yeah.
05:37:12 <rzolf> :'-(
05:37:52 <rzolf> poor openacs subsite.
05:38:20 <vinod> heh... i'm gonna have to look into it, but my bed is calling
05:38:32 <rzolf> i can check it out later.
05:38:37 <vinod> who's in charge of acs-subsites?
05:38:40 <rzolf> but i should probalby finish some real work.
05:39:06 <vinod> haha - real work can always wait til the last second
05:39:16 <rzolf> ugh
05:39:30 <rzolf> so close to the truth, it isn't funny. ;-)
05:39:38 <vinod> looks like ben adida is in charge of acs-subsite - you could try emailing him
05:39:45 <rzolf> i'm a contractor though, and need to eat soon. ;-)
05:40:05 <vinod> rzolf: haha - hunger drives all good work :-)
05:40:11 <rzolf> yeah.
05:40:11 <rafa> hi guys
05:40:21 <rzolf> hello.
05:40:22 <rafa> I just tried your same steps rolf and got the same error
05:40:28 <rzolf> yeah.
05:40:33 <rzolf> :'-(
05:40:59 <rzolf> i can check it out next week sometime. this week i gotta finish up this other thing so i can get paid.
05:41:05 <rafa> btw, I am playing with portals
05:41:38 <rafa> if I go to /portals/admin
05:41:50 <rafa> add new element
05:42:26 <rafa> type a name and descr, cjhoose the bboard portlet already written and press ok
05:42:34 <rafa> it asks me for template_id
05:42:46 <rafa> how the hell you put it in?
05:42:52 <rzolf> heh
05:42:54 <rzolf> no idea.
05:43:05 <rzolf> be right back, need to re-caffinate
05:43:16 <rafa> see u
05:55:36 <rzolf> ok
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06:11:50 <rzolf> ugh.
06:12:10 <rzolf> another "what on earth are they thinking" client request. :-/
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08:01:20 <rafa> rolf?
08:01:28 <rzolf> hello.
08:01:39 <rafa> hi, how is Japan?
08:02:00 <rzolf> not bad.
08:02:25 <rafa> any news about your sister moving to Oz?
08:04:18 <rafa> i found another funny thing with sussite
08:04:31 <rafa> s/sussite/subsite
08:04:32 <rzolf> it sounds like she is going to move there when she finishes her master's degree
08:04:40 <rzolf> which i think, will be in may 2002
08:04:58 <rafa> cool, let me know if you decide to come over ;-)
08:05:07 <rzolf> i am thinking about it.
08:05:44 <rzolf> as, i'm not sure i want to stay in japan, but i'm also not very excited about returning to the US.
08:06:01 <rafa> most of my research is on automatic document classification, I would like to do something like that in openacs
08:06:14 <rafa> Australia is a great country
08:06:22 <rafa> best weather, great people...
08:06:38 <rzolf> it seems nice. 
08:06:52 <rafa> have you been here?
08:06:59 <rzolf> no, i haven't.
08:07:30 <rafa> try to come for holidays, if you like the beach you will love this
08:07:35 <rzolf> ;-)
08:07:54 <rzolf> yeah, i may try to visit in january. i think my sister is going then.
08:08:25 <rafa> I'll be in the states until mid January 
08:08:30 <rzolf> cool.
08:08:40 <rzolf> me too. ;-)
08:08:47 <rafa> I hope to see you in the second half then
08:08:55 <rafa> where in the states?
08:09:10 <rzolf> hm
08:09:22 <rzolf> most likely (and most unfortunately), minnesota.
08:09:24 <rafa> ?
08:09:29 <rzolf> but there is a chance i will be in california.
08:09:55 <rafa> coll I'll be in LA (wife family) and San Diego (mine)
08:10:13 <rzolf> my family lives in minnesota, so i was just going to stay with them until i find a new job
08:10:23 <rafa> hopefully we could organize an OACS social then
08:10:40 <rafa> good for networking ;-)
08:10:46 <rzolf> but i also like outdoors stuff, so i may be enrolled in a wilderness course near yosemite during january.
08:11:00 <rzolf> however that doesnt seem likely at this point.
08:11:14 <rafa> that sounds good. I was there as a kid... lovely place
08:11:23 <rafa> oh
08:11:50 <rzolf> it depends on if i do this second contract.
08:11:54 <rzolf> in japan.
08:12:07 <rafa>  ok
08:12:12 <rzolf> however i am leaning towards not doing it, as i sort of want to leave.
08:12:18 <rafa> are you doing OACS in Japan?
08:12:26 <rzolf> yes
08:12:36 <rafa> big proj?
08:12:48 <rzolf> not really, but many small hang ups.
08:13:00 <rafa> OACS3x?
08:13:04 <rzolf> yeah.
08:13:12 <rzolf> i'm not a big fan of the japanese working style.
08:13:24 <rafa> why is that?
08:13:35 <rzolf> it is totally inefficient.
08:14:03 <rzolf> i'm not sure what the story was back in the 80s, when there were all those biz management books about japanese companies.
08:14:04 <rafa> bureacracy?
08:14:17 <rzolf> i have a small sample bias
08:14:21 <rzolf> but it seems like japanese companies work like this:
08:14:39 <rzolf> have too many people working on one thing, and make sure they are in the office from 9am to 11pm every day
08:14:50 <rzolf> eventually, something will be done.
08:15:17 <rzolf> i'm more into have one person do the whole thing at home approach.
08:15:56 <rzolf> but anyway, i should be finished at the end of this week.
08:16:02 <rzolf> regardless.
08:16:03 <rafa> I agree, did u read the mythical man month?
08:16:08 <rzolf> yes
08:16:32 <rafa> seems they didn't :-)
08:16:39 <rzolf> hehe.
08:16:56 <rafa> anyway, I found another weird thing in subsite
08:17:01 <rzolf> uh oh.
08:17:18 <rzolf> i'm hoping these are just typos somewhere, not fundamental problems with the design.
08:17:26 <rafa> I wanted to play with groups /groups type admin
08:17:37 <rzolf> oh yeah. groups are totally broken.
08:17:56 <rafa> wel but if you do the admin on a subsite, they seem to work better
08:18:06 <rzolf> i'm pretty sure groups is broken due to some typo, because they used to work.
08:18:12 <rafa> well the 1 subsite you can create
08:18:30 <rzolf> heh
08:18:36 <rzolf> that's reassuring, i guess.
08:19:07 <rzolf> what time is it in AU right now?
08:19:20 <rafa> 6:20
08:19:24 <rafa> pm
08:19:27 <rzolf> ah
08:19:28 <rzolf> ok.
08:19:49 <rafa> I should go home soon. I really wanted to get the portals working but
08:20:05 <rafa> the thing about template_id... no idea
08:20:12 <rzolf> yeah..
08:22:19 <rzolf> i will probably take a look at this stuff next week.
08:22:26 <rzolf> once i wrap up this contract.
08:23:08 <rzolf> it seems like the core guys could use some help in keeping the core from breaking.
08:23:12 <rzolf> but right now
08:23:15 <rzolf> i gotta go.
08:23:18 <rzolf> later.
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13:04:07 <vinod> rafa: hi, are you still here?
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13:15:17 <Psychephylax> ;)
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14:15:48 <markd2> howdy
14:16:44 <davb> Hey.
14:16:53 <vinod> mornin'
14:17:15 <markd2> wow, Vinod's on
14:17:23 <markd2> I thought you only had 17 minuntes of internet a day
14:17:33 <davb> I just had a cool idea. I want to hookup Wikit, XML-RPC and Edit This Page. Possibly with tint emacs or something.
14:17:42 <vinod> ssshhh - don't tell anyone
14:17:52 <vinod> i'm trying to sneak these minutes without them knowing
14:19:17 <vinod> uhoh, sounds like davb's got another project to take him away from real work :-)
14:19:34 <vinod> what's Wikit?
14:22:35 <davb> A wiki implemented in TclKit which is Tcl with a built in MetaKit which is some sort of database like storage.
14:22:57 <markd2> Wasn't Wikit in Return of the JEdi
14:23:08 <davb> I think you are short a k
14:23:18 <markd2> Wasn't Wikkit in Return of the Jedik?
14:24:17 <davb> heh
14:28:40 <davb> I can't see to get it to add a new page though.
14:38:20 <davb> oh well, back to work.
14:38:46 <vinod> :-)
14:39:26 <vinod> is wikit a Tk app?
14:40:36 <davb> it can be, or i can run as a CGI application through the web. The Tcl'ers wiki and the aolsever wiki run on it.
14:47:51 <davb> I need to bug Dan. Apparently he never put my patchs for the CR into CVS. Static Pages is broken in Postgresql without them.
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14:52:24 <benford.openprojects.net> Users on #openacs: loggy foonatz markd2 davb vinod Psychephylax shagster chump yanni strainmaker2 rafa abbaJ rbm 
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14:53:55 <davb> Yeah I know.
14:56:31 <davb> also I think I lost my copy that actually worked.
14:56:54 <vinod> doh!
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15:22:49 <davb> yeah! I found the patches
15:35:19 <davb> http://www.dictionaraoke.com/index.html
15:35:20 <chump> A: http://www.dictionaraoke.com/index.html from davb
15:35:27 <davb> A:|Dictionaraoke
15:35:27 <chump> titled item A
15:35:32 <davb> A: Music to hack by
15:35:32 <chump> commented item A
15:36:01 <davb> A: Your favorite song sung by online pronunciation samples!
15:36:02 <chump> commented item A
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16:44:53 <davb> chump view
16:45:02 <davb> view
16:45:06 <davb> chump: view
16:45:06 <chump> A: Dictionaraoke (http://www.dictionaraoke.com/index.html)
16:45:10 <davb> A:
16:45:10 <chump> http://www.dictionaraoke.com/index.html
16:45:11 <chump> Dictionaraoke
16:45:12 <chump> (davb) Music to hack by
16:45:13 <chump> (davb) Your favorite song sung by online pronunciation samples!
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17:06:58 <talli> hey guys
17:07:19 <markd2> hiya
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17:13:06 <davb> hi talli
17:13:52 <davb> talli: is anyone working on a template/application for a weblog in ETP? Or should I just do my own?
17:14:10 <davb> I am lazy, but impatient. :)
17:15:32 <talli> many people are asking me about that
17:15:43 <talli> luke is planning on spending a day on it
17:15:48 <talli> but you should ping him
17:16:01 <talli> rolf is interested in that, and so is someone else. people are begging for it
17:16:24 <markd2> oh my.  a Rolf blog.
17:16:45 <davb> I would go ahead and build one, but I thought someone might already be working on it. I'll let him know I can help.
17:16:55 <markd2> it'd probably end up being a cross between Prarie Home Companion and JerkCity
17:17:06 <davb> markd2: at least it will be well-architected (sp?)
17:17:08 <talli> i think it's an intra-Rolf blog
17:17:14 <davb> * davb is too lazy to spell check.
17:17:33 <talli> his kidneys need to communicate a bit better,from what i've heard
17:17:35 <bartt> Hi guys. I'm working on an alternative credit card interface for the ecommerce module and was wondering if others are interested.
17:18:04 <davb> bartt: any one in particular?
17:18:20 <bartt> Yes authorize.net.
17:18:35 <bartt> But the issue is larger than this particular one.
17:19:06 <davb> bartt: have you contacted gilbert wong?
17:19:12 <bartt> Cybercash had an unique workflow that is very different from all credit card gateways that I have seen.
17:19:29 <davb> I think he is working on that. Abstracting it to allow plugging in different systems.
17:19:32 <bartt> Yes I have, I'm testing the ecommerce module that he ported
17:19:44 <davb> Aha, I see you have.
17:20:10 <bartt> But haven't heard from him in a while.
17:21:37 <bartt> While testing ecommerce, I noticed how by design/implementation it doesn't handle voiding partial orders. Is there anyone  who has build on-line stores with the ecommerce module?
17:22:03 <davb> I never finished mine. 
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18:55:46 <davb> DanW is adding my patch the acs_object__new. Hopefully nothing breaks. (I have tested in on a new install)
19:22:56 <markd2> is there an 'ns_httpsget' floating around anywhere?
19:23:39 <davb> Yes actually.
19:23:45 <davb> in ns_openssl
19:24:17 <markd2> sweet
19:24:21 <markd2> I've got that installed
19:24:29 <markd2> time to dig through and find some docs
19:24:38 <davb> It is in the latest version.
19:25:52 <davb> http://scottg.net/webtools/opennsd/modules/nsopenssl/tclapi/
19:25:52 <chump> B: http://scottg.net/webtools/opennsd/modules/nsopenssl/tclapi/ from davb
19:26:01 <davb> B:|ns_openssl Tcl API
19:26:02 <chump> titled item B
19:26:25 <davb> B: includes ns_httpsget
19:26:26 <chump> commented item B
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19:34:50 <docwolf> hola
19:35:31 <davb> hi docwolf
19:37:17 <markd2> heya
19:38:01 <docwolf> how's it going?
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20:25:09 <davb> later
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22:57:11 <docwolf> greetz
22:58:49 <rbm> (as bugs bunny): what's up doc?
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23:10:43 <docwolf> i drove 1300 miles
23:10:44 <docwolf> i am tired.
23:12:06 <rbm> wow.
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23:28:31 <docwolf> hmm
23:28:38 <docwolf> i wonder if openacs.org held up OK today
23:28:43 <docwolf> with slashdot, and all
23:28:50 <rbm> eh?
23:29:12 <docwolf> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=22410&cid=0&pid=0&startat=&threshold=1&mode=nested&commentsort=0&op=Change
23:29:13 <chump> C: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=22410&cid=0&pid=0&startat=&threshold=1&mode=nested&commentsort=0&op=Change from docwolf
23:29:31 <docwolf> i saw that don posted a reply
23:33:15 <rbm> * rbm reads
23:33:41 <rbm> I don't even try to talk to MySQL folks much. It's usually useless for their brains are the size of a pea.
23:36:40 <rbm> I love the spirit of MySQL users: "For simple applications like a web site, you usually don't need the features of PostgreSQL, MySQL will do the job.
23:36:42 <rbm> "
23:36:52 <rbm> I love the spirit of MySQL users: "For simple applications like a web site, you usually don't need the features of PostgreSQL, MySQL will do the job.
23:36:55 <rbm> oops
23:43:31 <docwolf> i'm not sure
23:43:37 <docwolf> why they just don't go to PG directly
23:43:39 <docwolf> it's not like
23:43:41 <docwolf> it's expensive
23:43:43 <docwolf> or hard to administer
23:45:38 <rbm> Because they're stupid.
23:47:44 <rbm> * rbm reads the admin mail
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23:57:25 <rbm> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=22410&threshold=1&commentsort=0&mode=nested&cid=2411274
23:57:25 <chump> D: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=22410&threshold=1&commentsort=0&mode=nested&cid=2411274 from rbm
23:57:35 <rbm> D:| rbm's reply to Monty Widenius
23:57:36 <chump> titled item D
23:58:09 <docwolf> whoa
23:58:16 <docwolf> pretty aggressive :-)
23:58:38 <docwolf> I think to settle the score once and for all
23:58:44 <docwolf> we should have a tag-team match
23:58:52 <docwolf> you & ben vs. monty & rasmus
23:59:00 <rbm> rasmus lerdorf
23:59:02 <rbm> ?
23:59:06 <docwolf> yeah
23:59:10 <rbm> What about him?
23:59:10 <docwolf> (ben hates php..)
23:59:20 <rbm> Oh.
23:59:20 <docwolf> me & ben met up with rasmus
23:59:27 <docwolf> at this wacky conference in brussels
23:59:30 <rbm> I dislike PHP too. It's good for tiny websites.
23:59:55 <rbm> docwolf: I have to leave, but keep talking. I'll be back in 20 mins or so and reply