IRC log of openacs on 2001-10-10

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00:01:13 [rafa]
yes.. but if it is a bug I wouldnt be detecting it
00:02:01 [rafa]
I wanted to update package by package but for some reason the CVS admin files of my old code is broken so CVS doesn't update
00:02:55 [rafa]
have a meeting now, will try more later
00:03:03 [til]
good luck
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01:03:03 [davb]
rafa get ns_xml from here: http://acs-misc.sourceforce.net
01:03:26 [davb]
Mine is 1.4 and it says March 2000. I think someone never changed the date.
01:04:17 [davb]
look in the README for the ns_xml source you have for this: Release notes:
01:04:17 [davb]
Version 1.4, released on 07/09/2001
02:28:15 [rbm]
* rbm looks around
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03:22:07 [rzolf]
re
03:22:57 [rzolf]
acs workflow is still dorked.
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03:27:53 [rzolf]
actually the CVS tree is worse than before.
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04:29:04 [rafa]
davb: thanks that worked
04:29:40 [rafa]
vinod: your oACS doc has a link to an old nsxml package
04:34:52 [vinod]
rafa: thanks. you don't happen to have the new link on hand, do ya?
04:35:33 [vinod]
rafa: ahh. just got your email. thanks!
04:36:54 [rafa]
sure, nsxml brings trouble to so many people! if we could get aolserver people to update it we might be saving other people's time
04:37:56 [rafa]
the other thing I noticed is that your document is not very noticeable.
04:38:16 [rafa]
we should exploit it puting a link in openacs.org/4
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04:38:26 [rafa]
it is very helpful
04:39:43 [vinod]
rafa: thanks. i appreciate your feedback. it's linked from the faq on openacs.org/4, but not directly from openacs.org/4 (I think roberto could change it)
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04:41:32 [rbm]
Yes, I could change that
04:41:59 [rafa]
I am trying to update code from CVS. the origina is Don's tarball and I get *PANIC* administration files missing
04:42:05 [rafa]
any ideas?
04:42:15 [rafa]
can I force CVS to create them?
04:42:29 [rbm]
cvs update -PAd is what I use
04:45:01 [rafa]
thanks that did the trick
04:45:31 [rbm]
That deletes removed files and adds new files
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* rbm installs Quicken in his new Win2k box
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05:29:37 [rzolf]
subsites are still hosed.
05:30:31 [vinod]
did you get the core to install?
05:30:35 [rzolf]
yes.
05:30:47 [rzolf]
now i can install 1 subsite, but not more than 1.
05:31:04 [vinod]
i haven't worked on subsites yet. what happens if you add another subsite?
05:31:21 [rzolf]
i have gitdown.com, i added subsite called "ibd"
05:31:24 [rzolf]
that seemed to work fine.
05:31:35 [rzolf]
then i added another subsite called "rolf"
05:32:12 [rzolf]
and get
05:32:15 [rzolf]
Database operation "0or1row" failed (exception NSDB, "Query was not a statement returning rows.")
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while executing
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"ns_pg_bind 0or1row nsdb0 {
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05:32:16 [rzolf]
select case when count(*) = 0 then 0 else 1 end
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from apm_packages
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where package_id = :new_package_id
05:33:32 [rzolf]
my irc client
05:33:36 [rzolf]
hosed some of that error message.
05:33:55 [vinod]
hmmm... lemme try to retrace your steps.
05:33:59 [vinod]
you did a fresh install
05:34:05 [rzolf]
yes
05:34:10 [rzolf]
dropped db
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recreated db
05:34:24 [vinod]
then go to site map and make a subfolder 'ibd'
05:34:28 [rzolf]
yes
05:34:37 [rzolf]
then new application "ACS Subsite"
05:34:50 [rzolf]
that worked fine.
05:34:55 [rzolf]
then within ibd
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created new subfolder, of new application "ticket tracker"
05:35:10 [rzolf]
that worked fine
05:35:18 [rzolf]
then here is the part i didnt tell you ;-)
05:35:25 [rzolf]
but i dont know if it matters.
05:35:27 [rzolf]
but maybe.
05:35:45 [rzolf]
i created subfolder within the main site
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named "rolf"
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of new application "edit this page"
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then i unmounted that subfolder, and deleted it.
05:36:17 [rzolf]
then i created a new subfolder within the main site
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named "rolf" (again"
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of new applicatiion "acs subsite"
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server error
05:36:53 [vinod]
i think you're right - that extra stuff you did didn't matter
05:37:03 [vinod]
i just tried to create ibd and then rolf and crash!
05:37:07 [rzolf]
yeah.
05:37:12 [rzolf]
:'-(
05:37:52 [rzolf]
poor openacs subsite.
05:38:20 [vinod]
heh... i'm gonna have to look into it, but my bed is calling
05:38:32 [rzolf]
i can check it out later.
05:38:37 [vinod]
who's in charge of acs-subsites?
05:38:40 [rzolf]
but i should probalby finish some real work.
05:39:06 [vinod]
haha - real work can always wait til the last second
05:39:16 [rzolf]
ugh
05:39:30 [rzolf]
so close to the truth, it isn't funny. ;-)
05:39:38 [vinod]
looks like ben adida is in charge of acs-subsite - you could try emailing him
05:39:45 [rzolf]
i'm a contractor though, and need to eat soon. ;-)
05:40:05 [vinod]
rzolf: haha - hunger drives all good work :-)
05:40:11 [rzolf]
yeah.
05:40:11 [rafa]
hi guys
05:40:21 [rzolf]
hello.
05:40:22 [rafa]
I just tried your same steps rolf and got the same error
05:40:28 [rzolf]
yeah.
05:40:33 [rzolf]
:'-(
05:40:59 [rzolf]
i can check it out next week sometime. this week i gotta finish up this other thing so i can get paid.
05:41:05 [rafa]
btw, I am playing with portals
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if I go to /portals/admin
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add new element
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type a name and descr, cjhoose the bboard portlet already written and press ok
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it asks me for template_id
05:42:46 [rafa]
how the hell you put it in?
05:42:52 [rzolf]
heh
05:42:54 [rzolf]
no idea.
05:43:05 [rzolf]
be right back, need to re-caffinate
05:43:16 [rafa]
see u
05:55:36 [rzolf]
ok
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06:11:50 [rzolf]
ugh.
06:12:10 [rzolf]
another "what on earth are they thinking" client request. :-/
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08:01:20 [rafa]
rolf?
08:01:28 [rzolf]
hello.
08:01:39 [rafa]
hi, how is Japan?
08:02:00 [rzolf]
not bad.
08:02:25 [rafa]
any news about your sister moving to Oz?
08:04:18 [rafa]
i found another funny thing with sussite
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s/sussite/subsite
08:04:32 [rzolf]
it sounds like she is going to move there when she finishes her master's degree
08:04:40 [rzolf]
which i think, will be in may 2002
08:04:58 [rafa]
cool, let me know if you decide to come over ;-)
08:05:07 [rzolf]
i am thinking about it.
08:05:44 [rzolf]
as, i'm not sure i want to stay in japan, but i'm also not very excited about returning to the US.
08:06:01 [rafa]
most of my research is on automatic document classification, I would like to do something like that in openacs
08:06:14 [rafa]
Australia is a great country
08:06:22 [rafa]
best weather, great people...
08:06:38 [rzolf]
it seems nice.
08:06:52 [rafa]
have you been here?
08:06:59 [rzolf]
no, i haven't.
08:07:30 [rafa]
try to come for holidays, if you like the beach you will love this
08:07:35 [rzolf]
;-)
08:07:54 [rzolf]
yeah, i may try to visit in january. i think my sister is going then.
08:08:25 [rafa]
I'll be in the states until mid January
08:08:30 [rzolf]
cool.
08:08:40 [rzolf]
me too. ;-)
08:08:47 [rafa]
I hope to see you in the second half then
08:08:55 [rafa]
where in the states?
08:09:10 [rzolf]
hm
08:09:22 [rzolf]
most likely (and most unfortunately), minnesota.
08:09:24 [rafa]
?
08:09:29 [rzolf]
but there is a chance i will be in california.
08:09:55 [rafa]
coll I'll be in LA (wife family) and San Diego (mine)
08:10:13 [rzolf]
my family lives in minnesota, so i was just going to stay with them until i find a new job
08:10:23 [rafa]
hopefully we could organize an OACS social then
08:10:40 [rafa]
good for networking ;-)
08:10:46 [rzolf]
but i also like outdoors stuff, so i may be enrolled in a wilderness course near yosemite during january.
08:11:00 [rzolf]
however that doesnt seem likely at this point.
08:11:14 [rafa]
that sounds good. I was there as a kid... lovely place
08:11:23 [rafa]
oh
08:11:50 [rzolf]
it depends on if i do this second contract.
08:11:54 [rzolf]
in japan.
08:12:07 [rafa]
ok
08:12:12 [rzolf]
however i am leaning towards not doing it, as i sort of want to leave.
08:12:18 [rafa]
are you doing OACS in Japan?
08:12:26 [rzolf]
yes
08:12:36 [rafa]
big proj?
08:12:48 [rzolf]
not really, but many small hang ups.
08:13:00 [rafa]
OACS3x?
08:13:04 [rzolf]
yeah.
08:13:12 [rzolf]
i'm not a big fan of the japanese working style.
08:13:24 [rafa]
why is that?
08:13:35 [rzolf]
it is totally inefficient.
08:14:03 [rzolf]
i'm not sure what the story was back in the 80s, when there were all those biz management books about japanese companies.
08:14:04 [rafa]
bureacracy?
08:14:17 [rzolf]
i have a small sample bias
08:14:21 [rzolf]
but it seems like japanese companies work like this:
08:14:39 [rzolf]
have too many people working on one thing, and make sure they are in the office from 9am to 11pm every day
08:14:50 [rzolf]
eventually, something will be done.
08:15:17 [rzolf]
i'm more into have one person do the whole thing at home approach.
08:15:56 [rzolf]
but anyway, i should be finished at the end of this week.
08:16:02 [rzolf]
regardless.
08:16:03 [rafa]
I agree, did u read the mythical man month?
08:16:08 [rzolf]
yes
08:16:32 [rafa]
seems they didn't :-)
08:16:39 [rzolf]
hehe.
08:16:56 [rafa]
anyway, I found another weird thing in subsite
08:17:01 [rzolf]
uh oh.
08:17:18 [rzolf]
i'm hoping these are just typos somewhere, not fundamental problems with the design.
08:17:26 [rafa]
I wanted to play with groups /groups type admin
08:17:37 [rzolf]
oh yeah. groups are totally broken.
08:17:56 [rafa]
wel but if you do the admin on a subsite, they seem to work better
08:18:06 [rzolf]
i'm pretty sure groups is broken due to some typo, because they used to work.
08:18:12 [rafa]
well the 1 subsite you can create
08:18:30 [rzolf]
heh
08:18:36 [rzolf]
that's reassuring, i guess.
08:19:07 [rzolf]
what time is it in AU right now?
08:19:20 [rafa]
6:20
08:19:24 [rafa]
pm
08:19:27 [rzolf]
ah
08:19:28 [rzolf]
ok.
08:19:49 [rafa]
I should go home soon. I really wanted to get the portals working but
08:20:05 [rafa]
the thing about template_id... no idea
08:20:12 [rzolf]
yeah..
08:22:19 [rzolf]
i will probably take a look at this stuff next week.
08:22:26 [rzolf]
once i wrap up this contract.
08:23:08 [rzolf]
it seems like the core guys could use some help in keeping the core from breaking.
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but right now
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i gotta go.
08:23:18 [rzolf]
later.
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see u
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13:04:07 [vinod]
rafa: hi, are you still here?
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;)
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howdy
14:16:44 [davb]
Hey.
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mornin'
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wow, Vinod's on
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I thought you only had 17 minuntes of internet a day
14:17:33 [davb]
I just had a cool idea. I want to hookup Wikit, XML-RPC and Edit This Page. Possibly with tint emacs or something.
14:17:42 [vinod]
ssshhh - don't tell anyone
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i'm trying to sneak these minutes without them knowing
14:19:17 [vinod]
uhoh, sounds like davb's got another project to take him away from real work :-)
14:19:34 [vinod]
what's Wikit?
14:22:35 [davb]
A wiki implemented in TclKit which is Tcl with a built in MetaKit which is some sort of database like storage.
14:22:57 [markd2]
Wasn't Wikit in Return of the JEdi
14:23:08 [davb]
I think you are short a k
14:23:18 [markd2]
Wasn't Wikkit in Return of the Jedik?
14:24:17 [davb]
heh
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I can't see to get it to add a new page though.
14:38:20 [davb]
oh well, back to work.
14:38:46 [vinod]
:-)
14:39:26 [vinod]
is wikit a Tk app?
14:40:36 [davb]
it can be, or i can run as a CGI application through the web. The Tcl'ers wiki and the aolsever wiki run on it.
14:47:51 [davb]
I need to bug Dan. Apparently he never put my patchs for the CR into CVS. Static Pages is broken in Postgresql without them.
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14:53:55 [davb]
Yeah I know.
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also I think I lost my copy that actually worked.
14:56:54 [vinod]
doh!
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yeah! I found the patches
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http://www.dictionaraoke.com/index.html
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A: http://www.dictionaraoke.com/index.html from davb
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A:|Dictionaraoke
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titled item A
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A: Music to hack by
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commented item A
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A: Your favorite song sung by online pronunciation samples!
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commented item A
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chump view
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view
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chump: view
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A: Dictionaraoke (http://www.dictionaraoke.com/index.html)
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A:
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http://www.dictionaraoke.com/index.html
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Dictionaraoke
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(davb) Music to hack by
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(davb) Your favorite song sung by online pronunciation samples!
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hey guys
17:07:19 [markd2]
hiya
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17:13:06 [davb]
hi talli
17:13:52 [davb]
talli: is anyone working on a template/application for a weblog in ETP? Or should I just do my own?
17:14:10 [davb]
I am lazy, but impatient. :)
17:15:32 [talli]
many people are asking me about that
17:15:43 [talli]
luke is planning on spending a day on it
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but you should ping him
17:16:01 [talli]
rolf is interested in that, and so is someone else. people are begging for it
17:16:24 [markd2]
oh my. a Rolf blog.
17:16:45 [davb]
I would go ahead and build one, but I thought someone might already be working on it. I'll let him know I can help.
17:16:55 [markd2]
it'd probably end up being a cross between Prarie Home Companion and JerkCity
17:17:06 [davb]
markd2: at least it will be well-architected (sp?)
17:17:08 [talli]
i think it's an intra-Rolf blog
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* davb is too lazy to spell check.
17:17:33 [talli]
his kidneys need to communicate a bit better,from what i've heard
17:17:35 [bartt]
Hi guys. I'm working on an alternative credit card interface for the ecommerce module and was wondering if others are interested.
17:18:04 [davb]
bartt: any one in particular?
17:18:20 [bartt]
Yes authorize.net.
17:18:35 [bartt]
But the issue is larger than this particular one.
17:19:06 [davb]
bartt: have you contacted gilbert wong?
17:19:12 [bartt]
Cybercash had an unique workflow that is very different from all credit card gateways that I have seen.
17:19:29 [davb]
I think he is working on that. Abstracting it to allow plugging in different systems.
17:19:32 [bartt]
Yes I have, I'm testing the ecommerce module that he ported
17:19:44 [davb]
Aha, I see you have.
17:20:10 [bartt]
But haven't heard from him in a while.
17:21:37 [bartt]
While testing ecommerce, I noticed how by design/implementation it doesn't handle voiding partial orders. Is there anyone who has build on-line stores with the ecommerce module?
17:22:03 [davb]
I never finished mine.
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18:55:46 [davb]
DanW is adding my patch the acs_object__new. Hopefully nothing breaks. (I have tested in on a new install)
19:22:56 [markd2]
is there an 'ns_httpsget' floating around anywhere?
19:23:39 [davb]
Yes actually.
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in ns_openssl
19:24:17 [markd2]
sweet
19:24:21 [markd2]
I've got that installed
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time to dig through and find some docs
19:24:38 [davb]
It is in the latest version.
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http://scottg.net/webtools/opennsd/modules/nsopenssl/tclapi/
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B: http://scottg.net/webtools/opennsd/modules/nsopenssl/tclapi/ from davb
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B:|ns_openssl Tcl API
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titled item B
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B: includes ns_httpsget
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commented item B
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hola
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hi docwolf
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heya
19:38:01 [docwolf]
how's it going?
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later
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greetz
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(as bugs bunny): what's up doc?
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i drove 1300 miles
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i am tired.
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wow.
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23:28:31 [docwolf]
hmm
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i wonder if openacs.org held up OK today
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with slashdot, and all
23:28:50 [rbm]
eh?
23:29:12 [docwolf]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=22410&cid=0&pid=0&startat=&threshold=1&mode=nested&commentsort=0&op=Change
23:29:13 [chump]
C: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=22410&cid=0&pid=0&startat=&threshold=1&mode=nested&commentsort=0&op=Change from docwolf
23:29:31 [docwolf]
i saw that don posted a reply
23:33:15 [rbm]
* rbm reads
23:33:41 [rbm]
I don't even try to talk to MySQL folks much. It's usually useless for their brains are the size of a pea.
23:36:40 [rbm]
I love the spirit of MySQL users: "For simple applications like a web site, you usually don't need the features of PostgreSQL, MySQL will do the job.
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"
23:36:52 [rbm]
I love the spirit of MySQL users: "For simple applications like a web site, you usually don't need the features of PostgreSQL, MySQL will do the job.
23:36:55 [rbm]
oops
23:43:31 [docwolf]
i'm not sure
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why they just don't go to PG directly
23:43:39 [docwolf]
it's not like
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it's expensive
23:43:43 [docwolf]
or hard to administer
23:45:38 [rbm]
Because they're stupid.
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* rbm reads the admin mail
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23:57:25 [rbm]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=22410&threshold=1&commentsort=0&mode=nested&cid=2411274
23:57:25 [chump]
D: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=22410&threshold=1&commentsort=0&mode=nested&cid=2411274 from rbm
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D:| rbm's reply to Monty Widenius
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titled item D
23:58:09 [docwolf]
whoa
23:58:16 [docwolf]
pretty aggressive :-)
23:58:38 [docwolf]
I think to settle the score once and for all
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we should have a tag-team match
23:58:52 [docwolf]
you & ben vs. monty & rasmus
23:59:00 [rbm]
rasmus lerdorf
23:59:02 [rbm]
?
23:59:06 [docwolf]
yeah
23:59:10 [rbm]
What about him?
23:59:10 [docwolf]
(ben hates php..)
23:59:20 [rbm]
Oh.
23:59:20 [docwolf]
me & ben met up with rasmus
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at this wacky conference in brussels
23:59:30 [rbm]
I dislike PHP too. It's good for tiny websites.
23:59:55 [rbm]
docwolf: I have to leave, but keep talking. I'll be back in 20 mins or so and reply