IRC log of openacs on 2001-10-09

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Users on #openacs: loggy rbm strainmaker abbaJ Psychephylax davb talli docwolf jerryasher shagster AaronSw chump
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00:32:26 [jerryasher]
okay, irc newbie here: i'm so jealous that all you guys can do this sotto voce, whispering, stage direction stuff.
00:32:29 [jerryasher]
How do you do that?
00:32:37 [jerryasher]
Are you just mumbling into your keyboard?
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topic is: Welcome to the OpenACS Helpline | http://www.openacs.org/
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00:44:04 [davb]
heh
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jerryasher: /me whatever
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01:03:50 [jerryasher]
* jerryasher sotto voce, i always loved it when snagglepuss would exit, stage left
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* jerryasher http://www.animationartgallery.com/HBCBB14.html
01:12:50 [davb]
haha!
01:33:23 [rbm]
moo
01:35:40 [rbm]
boohoo :(
01:36:08 [davb]
oh no! what's wrong?
02:21:12 [docwolf]
hi all
02:21:48 [davb]
hello
02:22:01 [docwolf]
how's it going?
02:22:48 [davb]
not bad. avoiding work again.
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03:07:31 [jerryasher]
Hey docwolf you there?
03:10:26 [docwolf]
hi
03:10:29 [docwolf]
how's it going?
03:11:13 [jerryasher]
Okay here, I was just curious as to what you were doing these days?
03:11:41 [jerryasher]
The MBA/Dr. thing ...
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(If you don't mind my being nosy.)
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moo
05:01:43 [Psychephylax]
moo
05:01:51 [Psychephylax]
go to bed you silly cow
05:04:55 [rbm]
I need to
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12:13:24 [ola]
hi markd2!
12:14:02 [markd2]
howdee
12:16:09 [ola]
so, you're a balloon artist as well as an oracle artist?
12:16:50 [ola]
I thought it was only talli's uncle who did this balloon stuff..
12:17:33 [ola]
or maybe his brother.:-)
12:19:05 [markd2]
his brother
12:19:15 [markd2]
yeah, I've been doing ballons for fun for awhile
12:19:30 [markd2]
but only seriously recently (and even then, this Job Thing has gotten in the way)
12:19:40 [ola]
heh
12:24:41 [ola]
mark, can you use current_timestamp in oracle?
12:24:55 [markd2]
current_timestamp?
12:25:38 [ola]
SQL92 for sysdate..
12:28:13 [ola]
they encourage us to use it instead of now() when porting to PG.
12:28:50 [ola]
(Roberto at least)
12:29:57 [markd2]
doesn't look like it works in oracle
12:30:09 [markd2]
is it used something like 'select current_timestamp() from whatever'
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?
12:31:42 [markd2]
there's not a current_timestamp function, but it would probably be pretty easy to build one
12:32:22 [ola]
aha
12:32:42 [ola]
in PG I can just do: select current_timestamp;
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or: select now();
12:34:05 [markd2]
ok
12:34:10 [markd2]
what does it return?
12:34:14 [ola]
looks like there's already a function created named sysdate()
12:34:14 [markd2]
just a DATE type?
12:34:45 [ola]
openacs4=# select current_timestamp;
12:34:45 [ola]
timestamp
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------------------------
12:34:45 [ola]
2001-10-09 16:37:18+02
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(1 row)
12:35:14 [ola]
is this different from DATE?
12:35:33 [markd2]
create or replace function current_timestamp return date as begin return sysdate; end;
12:35:38 [markd2]
that's how you'd do it in oracle
12:36:00 [markd2]
so if that function is in there, then oracle can use current_Timestamp, and life is full of happiness and light
12:36:14 [ola]
cool:-)
12:36:36 [ola]
thanks!
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13:23:12 [ola]
morning davb.
13:27:34 [davb]
Hi.
13:31:49 [davb]
How's the porting going?
13:31:52 [markd2]
does anything on openacs4 require the ns_xml module?
13:31:56 [rbm]
morning all
13:32:00 [markd2]
(hi, btw)
13:32:02 [davb]
Uh yeah. All of it.
13:32:10 [davb]
Well the query dispatcher.
13:32:11 [rbm]
markd2: everything on OACS 4
13:32:49 [markd2]
thanks
13:33:40 [davb]
markd2: get the updated one at http://acs-misc.sourceforge.net
13:35:13 [ola]
davb: slowly getting closer.
13:36:05 [ola]
(Dan W rocks, btw)
13:36:08 [davb]
Cool. I wonder if there is a way when you are building a new package, to build for Oracle and Postgresql at the same time.
13:36:35 [davb]
Yes he does.
13:38:02 [ola]
good question. I was just thinking of how to write a new package for PG alone.
13:38:47 [ola]
just compare with ETP is the answer, I guess.
13:39:41 [davb]
that is a great example. the developer's guide gives a really general example of building a simple package.
13:43:15 [ola]
rbm: would it be a major pain to remove the perl deps form mp3jukebox, do ya think?
13:44:46 [rbm]
ola: No, I don't think.
13:45:26 [rbm]
Since all he's doing is extracting the ID3 Tags, there's gotta be a way to do it in plain Tcl
13:47:05 [ola]
in that case I got to try and do it in Tcl.
13:47:40 [rbm]
Yeah, you'll have to do some little research to find out how to get id3 tags, but my guess is that it shouldn't be hard.
13:48:16 [ola]
right.
13:52:48 [ola]
hmm... does anyone know if acs-lang works in postgresql?
13:57:19 [davb]
status is "testing"
14:02:10 [davb]
Wow. I was out for a week, and I still don't have any work to do.
14:23:06 [rbm]
moo fozz
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rzolf is in the haüs
15:04:47 [davb]
there are no cool jobs in Albany.
15:04:54 [rzolf]
hehe.
15:05:35 [davb]
Actually there is one web programmer job. Requires Oracle and Java though. Guess I better DL a copy of ACS/Java.
15:05:55 [davb]
and it doesn't require a degree. Don't see that too often.
15:07:11 [rzolf]
i've actually never come across a programming job that requrired a degree
15:08:00 [markd2]
all my jobs required a degree
15:08:03 [markd2]
that's why I always try to run a fever
15:08:34 [rzolf]
(foghorn noise)
15:09:03 [davb]
Albany is not a hotbed of technology.
15:09:34 [rzolf]
hotbeds of technology are overrated, though.
15:09:55 [davb]
true.
15:10:10 [rzolf]
the rent is a lot more, and girls still dont find you attractive
15:10:18 [davb]
heh!
15:10:31 [markd2]
the non-hotbeds aren't all that great
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out here in western PA, the rent is cheap, but the girls still don't find rzolf attractive
15:10:54 [davb]
I have a nice yard and cable internet access so I guess I won't complain.
15:11:18 [markd2]
got your wireless installed yet?
15:11:54 [rzolf]
in general, you should always explore career paths like "rock star" or "professional basketball player" before worrying about finding a cool tech job
15:12:53 [davb]
nope, didn't buy it yet.
15:12:57 [davb]
Yeah I already tried that.
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didn't work out.
15:13:20 [davb]
sold the guitar for food.
15:13:23 [markd2]
made michael jordan look bad
15:13:32 [rzolf]
my SATs werent good enough to stay on the bball team, but hoefully this rock thing will pan out.
15:13:34 [davb]
yeah photshop is great!
15:13:46 [davb]
photoshop that is
15:14:11 [davb]
Anyway. The problem is all the locals are unaware of the benefits of a real-live database-backed web site.
15:14:46 [rzolf]
thats because there are few
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aside from feeding a data-base baked web programmer
15:15:39 [markd2]
heh
15:15:40 [davb]
This is my competition: "Links to other web sites - $10 each.
15:15:52 [davb]
rzolf: yeah, but I don't tell them that!
15:16:03 [rzolf]
oh yeah
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i forgot why i came here.
15:16:11 [davb]
and don't forget the classic: Scrolling Text on the browser's status bar - Scrolls from left to right on the gray status bar on the bottom of the browser - $10 per page.
15:16:17 [davb]
rzolf: sorry.
15:16:23 [rzolf]
whats the deal with the latest CVS checkout being totally broken
15:16:32 [davb]
it is?
15:16:36 [rzolf]
it doesnt get past the install.
15:16:49 [davb]
I guess I haven't got that one.
15:17:07 [rzolf]
is there a clean build anywhere?
15:17:09 [davb]
on postgresql?
15:17:30 [davb]
try these:
15:17:31 [Psychephylax]
:)
15:17:31 [rzolf]
or can people just commitanything? i dont fully understand how code gets into the CVS tree.
15:17:33 [Psychephylax]
XML class
15:17:37 [davb]
http://openacs.org/sdm/nightly-tarballs.tcl?package_id=9
15:17:37 [chump]
A: http://openacs.org/sdm/nightly-tarballs.tcl?package_id=9 from davb
15:17:54 [davb]
A:| Nightly tarballs of OpenACS 4 - UNDER DEVELOPMENT UNTESTED!
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titled item A
15:18:01 [rzolf]
ugh.
15:18:22 [davb]
A: Okay, not totally untested, just not guaranteed
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commented item A
15:18:35 [rzolf]
hm
15:18:46 [rzolf]
i dunno if that is too encouraging.
15:18:47 [davb]
Mine is working fine on Postgresql from a couple of days ago.
15:18:58 [rzolf]
so is mine, from like 3 weeks ago.
15:19:02 [rzolf]
but i couldnt add subsites.
15:19:07 [davb]
A: Less buggy than IIS
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commented item A
15:19:10 [rzolf]
so i got the latest CVS snapshot
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and it doesnt install
15:19:34 [davb]
What kind of error are you getting?
15:19:35 [rzolf]
i dunno, last time i installed IIS, it...installed.
15:19:44 [rzolf]
this is the error message:
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A: or not
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commented item A
15:19:53 [rzolf]
Error:
15:20:55 [rzolf]
so.
15:20:57 [rzolf]
yeah.
15:21:11 [davb]
thats it?
15:21:15 [rzolf]
yeah.
15:21:29 [davb]
Where is that appearing, browser or log?
15:21:31 [Psychephylax]
Back to class
15:21:43 [rzolf]
browser
15:22:02 [davb]
How far does it get, or is that the click here to begin installation response?
15:22:27 [rzolf]
it chokes on the workflow install
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and then just dies.
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and gives no real error message.
15:22:45 [davb]
Weird.
15:23:35 [markd2]
anything in the -error log?
15:23:59 [rzolf]
oh yesah
15:24:03 [rzolf]
the error log
15:25:56 [rzolf]
Error: Error sourcing /web/gitdown/packages/acs-bootstrap-installer/installer/packages-install.tcl:
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psql:acs-install.sql:247: ERROR: apm_packages_package_key_fk referential integrity violation - key referenced from apm_packages not found in apm_package_types
15:25:58 [rzolf]
psql:acs-install.sql:254: ERROR: ExecAppend: Fail to add null value in not null attribute object_id
15:26:15 [markd2]
* markd2 nods
15:26:24 [markd2]
I think that's the "yer screwed" error
15:26:34 [rzolf]
hehe.
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but,
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:'-(
15:26:47 [davb]
I am attempting an install. I'll tell you what happens in a bit.
15:26:57 [rzolf]
i may attempt sleeping.
15:27:14 [davb]
did you checkout acs-core or openacs-4?
15:27:23 [rzolf]
acs-core
15:27:29 [davb]
me too. ok
15:28:33 [davb]
nope same error
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ok
15:33:26 [rzolf]
well
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i am tired
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so
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i'll figure this out later
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15:58:24 [davb]
This is cool:
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http://www.equi4.com/wikit/
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B: http://www.equi4.com/wikit/ from davb
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B:|WiKit - Tcl based Wiki
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titled item B
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B: runs on top of TclKit
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commented item B
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16:15:39 [davb]
WOW. I found someone who works with ACS in New York outside of NYC. Although the company he works for is in Boston.
16:16:34 [Psychephylax]
heh
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* Psychephylax makes a random appearance after his hands on training
16:17:31 [davb]
Oh was that the XML class you mentioned. Any good?
16:21:30 [rbm_]
moo
16:21:55 [rbm_]
The original Wiki was written in Tcl.
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16:24:10 [davb]
Really. I did not know that.
16:24:47 [rbm]
Yep. Then the ports showed up, in every imaginable language.
16:24:49 [davb]
WiKit is cool more for a personal system than a web system. It includes MetaKit for storage. The program and data are all in one file. So you can just ship off the whole thing.
16:25:05 [davb]
I am going to fool around with it to keep track of all my stuff.
16:25:53 [rbm]
Why does Dr. Allan send his advising notes in HTML???
16:25:55 [rbm]
oops
16:26:08 [markd2]
sure beats them being sent as a word doc
16:26:29 [rbm]
But his e-mail nas _nothing_ that needs special formatting. It's just plain text.
16:27:35 [markd2]
still, it's better than the director of a college band I'm playing in does
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sends out word docs, but includes word perfect docs for those who can't read word
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and no text equivalent
16:28:22 [rbm]
I simply refuse .doc attachments. I bounce them back and say "If you want me to read your message, you'll send it in a format anyone can read. Text works"
16:29:29 [markd2]
hope you never get a professor that says "sorry, guess you won't be taking that take-home test"
16:30:09 [rbm]
If I do, I'll take him to the University Provost.
16:31:13 [rbm]
NOBODY should be forced to something.
16:31:46 [rbm]
I've taken one professor to the Provost already, and I'll take another one if necessary.
16:31:53 [markd2]
wow
16:31:56 [markd2]
what did he/she do?
16:32:03 [rbm]
Unfair grading.
16:33:00 [markd2]
preferential treatment?
16:33:24 [rbm]
It was my "mega-lame" class over the summer. The professor was saying some very stupid things about web and databases, and sometimes I would throw a little comment here and there. And this irritated him immensely.
16:33:50 [rbm]
If I were to throw all the comments I wanted, he wouldn't even speak. It was only a few times, and very politely.
16:34:15 [rbm]
He docked 28 points out of my first midterm on a perfectly correct answer.
16:35:03 [rbm]
Funny thing is, I'm taking another class with him this semester, because I'm required to take that class and he's the only one who teaches it.
16:35:56 [davb]
what fun!
16:36:19 [rbm]
I was _so_ pissed off.
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Eventually I got 20 of those points back.
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Vinod!!
17:23:50 [davb]
Hi vinod
17:25:32 [vinod]
howdy everyone!
17:26:43 [rbm]
* rbm beholds Vinod come back from the depths of oblivion
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* vinod basks in oblivion, but slowly reluctantly makes his way out
17:28:00 [rbm]
heheh
17:28:02 [vinod]
my ISP is limiting me to 5 hrs/day
17:28:10 [rbm]
WHA? why?
17:28:30 [rbm]
YUMMY!
17:28:30 [vinod]
it's a free perk that i get through my medical society, but they're starting to limit the hrs
17:28:38 [vinod]
davb: cool!
17:30:01 [vinod]
rbm: how's school, work, etc.?
17:30:16 [rbm]
WTH is safari?
17:30:23 [davb]
Online books.
17:30:29 [rbm]
vinod: Busy, very busy as usual.
17:30:53 [davb]
Oreilly teamed up with Addison Wesley Professional, New Riders, Prentice Hall PTR, Peachpit Press, Adobe Press, and Macromedia Press.
17:30:54 [rbm]
School and work are not what have kept me busy, but the gestapo^H^H^H^H^H^HINS
17:32:04 [vinod]
oh no... sorry to hear that.
17:36:22 [Psychephylax]
hey
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18:42:06 [talli]
hey guys
18:51:00 [davb]
hi
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19:02:19 [talli]
is rbm here?
19:02:31 [davb]
I think he is at a class
19:02:36 [talli]
ah, ok
19:02:46 [talli]
thanks
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np
19:04:05 [markd2]
yanni! I love your music!!
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* markd2 swoons
19:05:36 [yanni]
ha ha. Sorry, I'm not that Yanni
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* markd2 is bummed
19:18:23 [davb]
http://www.webmasterbase.com/article/529
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C: http://www.webmasterbase.com/article/529 from davb
19:18:45 [davb]
C:|Migrate your site from MySQL to PostgreSQL\
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titled item C
19:19:03 [Psychephylax]
BLURB: XML is cool...Very interesting
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D: XML is cool...Very interesting from Psychephylax
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19:19:35 [Psychephylax]
http://www.jedit.org
19:19:35 [chump]
E: http://www.jedit.org from Psychephylax
19:20:10 [Psychephylax]
E:| An editor written in Java similar to XEmacs
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titled item E
19:20:15 [Psychephylax]
E: Very nicely done
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commented item E
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:)
19:27:01 [Psychephylax]
jEDIT!
19:36:44 [davb]
http://techdocs.postgresql.org/
19:36:44 [chump]
F: http://techdocs.postgresql.org/ from davb
19:36:57 [davb]
F:|PostgreSQL Non-FAQ Documentation
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titled item F
19:37:35 [davb]
F: great PostgreSQL resource I never knew existed
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commented item F
19:39:17 [vinod]
cool!
19:39:42 [vinod]
it looks pretty active, too
19:43:32 [Psychephylax]
:/
19:43:38 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax gives vinod popcorn
19:45:03 [davb]
So vinod, I hear you are working on the docs
19:45:06 [davb]
:)
19:46:07 [vinod]
mmm... popcorn
19:46:11 [vinod]
davb: yeah, i guess so
19:46:20 [vinod]
serves me right for saying hi to rbm :-)
19:46:29 [davb]
markd2: more theories for that paper "People often learn more by talking to each other about a game than playing the game itself. The community is what snow balls and creates success. "
19:47:23 [vinod]
wow, i leave for a while and you guys start doing heavy duty sociological research
19:48:18 [davb]
We just noticed that 99% of the time someone asks a question, then they figure it out for themselves.
19:49:13 [vinod]
that's true
19:49:53 [markd2]
davb: heh
19:49:57 [vinod]
it's often the formal description of the question that provides the answer.
19:50:19 [vinod]
alot of times, i'm butting my head against something and i decide to post a question
19:50:51 [vinod]
once i formulate the question that i want to ask formally, i realize that i know the answer (or at least a place to look for it that i wasn't looking before)
19:52:13 [vinod]
(do i get to be listed as an author on the paper now?)
19:52:51 [davb]
Sure you can have the whole thing.
19:53:02 [vinod]
haha
19:53:33 [vinod]
now, we just gotta find some sucker to write it... where's talli?
20:23:34 [davb]
ah, time to go. See you all later
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moo
20:50:53 [rbm]
techdocs is great
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pretty deep stuff in the channel lately :)\
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* rbm upgrades his work box
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(apt-get upgrade that is)
21:09:48 [jerryasher]
Anyone here ever use FORTRAN?
21:11:38 [rbm]
I saw it in my Programming Languages class, but never did anything with it.
21:12:51 [markd2]
yep. I've used it
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* markd2 is an old fogie
21:12:55 [jerryasher]
Well, you know it was punch card oriented, right?
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* jerryasher me2
21:13:14 [jerryasher]
Mark, do you remember what column 72 was for>
21:13:16 [jerryasher]
?
21:13:23 [markd2]
that was the end of the usable space
21:13:27 [markd2]
after that wasn't touched by the compiler
21:13:37 [markd2]
although you could put a sequence number there to be used by a punch card sorter
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in case you dropped your deck
21:13:51 [markd2]
modern fortran compilers can be told to use that space for code
21:14:00 [markd2]
since it's not needed with these new-fangled CRT things :-)
21:14:02 [jerryasher]
I've been grossed out over the years by ACS code that continues to column 9000
21:14:10 [markd2]
yeah
21:14:29 [jerryasher]
And I have a nice little color inkjet that in 2-up mode wraps at column 74.
21:14:35 [markd2]
I like narrow windows, two side-by-side
21:14:42 [markd2]
and huge wrapped lines of code are a PITA
21:14:56 [jerryasher]
And emacs very nicely color codes my tcl
21:15:18 [jerryasher]
So I've a wrapping style using slashes (or backslashes I never can remember)
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that lines up all the backslashes (or slashes) in column 73.
21:15:58 [jerryasher]
Visually, I find it much nicer. But it takes me back about twenty years.
21:16:20 [rbm]
I usually go up to column 70-75
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21:17:26 [jerryasher]
(a small example can be seen at http://www.theashergroup.com/junk/blog.adp.txt)
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Anyway, enough for that. Time to search ebay for some more cippro
21:18:41 [markd2]
cippro?
21:19:18 [jerryasher]
http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&ht=1&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&query=Ciprofloxacin
21:19:18 [chump]
G: http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&ht=1&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&query=Ciprofloxacin from jerryasher
21:19:52 [jerryasher]
There's nothing on ebay yet. I am waiting for some smartass to start selling it.
21:20:55 [markd2]
antibiotics on ebay?
21:21:00 [markd2]
* markd2 stares blankly
21:21:15 [jerryasher]
I take it back, it is there after all, domain name too:
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http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&pb=&ht=1&st=2&query=Cipro&SortProperty=MetaEndSort
21:21:16 [chump]
H: http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&pb=&ht=1&st=2&query=Cipro&SortProperty=MetaEndSort from jerryasher
21:21:52 [jerryasher]
Love this comment: fact, there is a potential for Cipro® to outsell Viagra® and Phentermine combined
21:24:22 [rbm]
Just leave: exec $REALSTARTUP ?
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err
21:25:01 [markd2]
yeah right, another "sorry wrong window" thing I bet :-)
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A)
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s/A/:/
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||-)
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hi
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hello
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22:05:35 [rbm]
hellp
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s/hellp/hello/
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hi
22:07:45 [rafa]
Roberto, I am trying to install a fresh openacs
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and I am having problems with nsxml that I didn't before
22:08:25 [rafa]
I checked and I have the last version
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any idea?
22:10:28 [rafa]
it says that ns_xml doesnt support XML comments then if I keep going it crashes when installig ACS core
22:11:18 [rafa]
yu would think I should be installing it in a min by now...
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22:15:23 [rbm]
rafa: I don't know. I haven't seen this error yet
22:15:59 [rafa]
how are things going?
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* rbm *sighs*
22:16:27 [rbm]
okay I guess
22:16:57 [rafa]
world is kind of upside down...
22:17:34 [rafa]
BTW I was reading yestarday that W3C was going to start using patented stuff inside standards
22:18:08 [rbm]
that's still being discussed. I sent a comment saying "please don't do it"
22:18:15 [rafa]
sucks...
22:18:16 [rbm]
you can send one too
22:18:28 [rbm]
s/patented/patented or proprietary/
22:18:53 [til]
rafa: are you sure you are using the newest ns_xml? in my ns_xml.c it says "March 2000" and that one works
22:19:02 [rafa]
yes.. I was planning to do it today. I think there is time until Oct 11
22:19:25 [rafa]
yes I doubled checked.
22:20:30 [rafa]
hold on you said March? minde says Oct ber 200, but I downloaded it from the link in Vinods doc
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22:22:23 [rafa]
mine is newer anyway, it shouln't be a problem
22:22:40 [til]
hmm, maybe for some reason only the older one works? what aolserver? i use 3.3ad13
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3.2ad12
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22:26:37 [rbm]
did you have it working with 3.2 before?
22:27:52 [rafa]
yes, that is the weird thing. I just droped the db, updated code from CVS and and I am trying to install all again
22:28:59 [rafa]
in fact I have an openacs 3.x running using the same AOLserver binaries
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check at htpp://ebt.ee.usyd.edu.au:8004
22:39:00 [til]
yeah, but openacs3 doesn not need ns_xml at all ... maybe something new from your cvs update requires a different version (there was something mentioned about a workaround for a buggy nsxml that might go away)
22:39:54 [rbm]
yay
22:41:22 [rafa]
i was installing new packages.. but the install doesn't get to that point
23:05:56 [rafa]
I went back to an older copy of openacs, saved locally, with same aolserver+nsxml and do not get the error
23:07:03 [rbm]
hmmm. If you can pin-point the error and post a report...
23:09:33 [rafa]
will try
23:18:24 [rbm]
tks
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23:57:38 [rafa]
I tried with Don's openacs-4-snapshot, and get the same error about ns_xml. I am not sure how to identify the problem