IRC log of openacs on 2001-10-09
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- Users on #openacs: loggy rbm strainmaker abbaJ Psychephylax davb talli docwolf jerryasher shagster AaronSw chump
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- 00:32:26 [jerryasher]
- okay, irc newbie here: i'm so jealous that all you guys can do this sotto voce, whispering, stage direction stuff.
- 00:32:29 [jerryasher]
- How do you do that?
- 00:32:37 [jerryasher]
- Are you just mumbling into your keyboard?
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- Users on #openacs: loggy shagster rbm strainmaker abbaJ Psychephylax davb docwolf jerryasher
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- 00:44:04 [davb]
- heh
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- jerryasher: /me whatever
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- * jerryasher sotto voce, i always loved it when snagglepuss would exit, stage left
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- * jerryasher http://www.animationartgallery.com/HBCBB14.html
- 01:12:50 [davb]
- haha!
- 01:33:23 [rbm]
- moo
- 01:35:40 [rbm]
- boohoo :(
- 01:36:08 [davb]
- oh no! what's wrong?
- 02:21:12 [docwolf]
- hi all
- 02:21:48 [davb]
- hello
- 02:22:01 [docwolf]
- how's it going?
- 02:22:48 [davb]
- not bad. avoiding work again.
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- Hey docwolf you there?
- 03:10:26 [docwolf]
- hi
- 03:10:29 [docwolf]
- how's it going?
- 03:11:13 [jerryasher]
- Okay here, I was just curious as to what you were doing these days?
- 03:11:41 [jerryasher]
- The MBA/Dr. thing ...
- 03:12:29 [jerryasher]
- (If you don't mind my being nosy.)
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- moo
- 05:01:43 [Psychephylax]
- moo
- 05:01:51 [Psychephylax]
- go to bed you silly cow
- 05:04:55 [rbm]
- I need to
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- 12:13:24 [ola]
- hi markd2!
- 12:14:02 [markd2]
- howdee
- 12:16:09 [ola]
- so, you're a balloon artist as well as an oracle artist?
- 12:16:50 [ola]
- I thought it was only talli's uncle who did this balloon stuff..
- 12:17:33 [ola]
- or maybe his brother.:-)
- 12:19:05 [markd2]
- his brother
- 12:19:15 [markd2]
- yeah, I've been doing ballons for fun for awhile
- 12:19:30 [markd2]
- but only seriously recently (and even then, this Job Thing has gotten in the way)
- 12:19:40 [ola]
- heh
- 12:24:41 [ola]
- mark, can you use current_timestamp in oracle?
- 12:24:55 [markd2]
- current_timestamp?
- 12:25:38 [ola]
- SQL92 for sysdate..
- 12:28:13 [ola]
- they encourage us to use it instead of now() when porting to PG.
- 12:28:50 [ola]
- (Roberto at least)
- 12:29:57 [markd2]
- doesn't look like it works in oracle
- 12:30:09 [markd2]
- is it used something like 'select current_timestamp() from whatever'
- 12:30:12 [markd2]
- ?
- 12:31:42 [markd2]
- there's not a current_timestamp function, but it would probably be pretty easy to build one
- 12:32:22 [ola]
- aha
- 12:32:42 [ola]
- in PG I can just do: select current_timestamp;
- 12:32:59 [ola]
- or: select now();
- 12:34:05 [markd2]
- ok
- 12:34:10 [markd2]
- what does it return?
- 12:34:14 [ola]
- looks like there's already a function created named sysdate()
- 12:34:14 [markd2]
- just a DATE type?
- 12:34:45 [ola]
- openacs4=# select current_timestamp;
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- timestamp
- 12:34:45 [ola]
- ------------------------
- 12:34:45 [ola]
- 2001-10-09 16:37:18+02
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- (1 row)
- 12:35:14 [ola]
- is this different from DATE?
- 12:35:33 [markd2]
- create or replace function current_timestamp return date as begin return sysdate; end;
- 12:35:38 [markd2]
- that's how you'd do it in oracle
- 12:36:00 [markd2]
- so if that function is in there, then oracle can use current_Timestamp, and life is full of happiness and light
- 12:36:14 [ola]
- cool:-)
- 12:36:36 [ola]
- thanks!
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- 13:23:12 [ola]
- morning davb.
- 13:27:34 [davb]
- Hi.
- 13:31:49 [davb]
- How's the porting going?
- 13:31:52 [markd2]
- does anything on openacs4 require the ns_xml module?
- 13:31:56 [rbm]
- morning all
- 13:32:00 [markd2]
- (hi, btw)
- 13:32:02 [davb]
- Uh yeah. All of it.
- 13:32:10 [davb]
- Well the query dispatcher.
- 13:32:11 [rbm]
- markd2: everything on OACS 4
- 13:32:49 [markd2]
- thanks
- 13:33:40 [davb]
- markd2: get the updated one at http://acs-misc.sourceforge.net
- 13:35:13 [ola]
- davb: slowly getting closer.
- 13:36:05 [ola]
- (Dan W rocks, btw)
- 13:36:08 [davb]
- Cool. I wonder if there is a way when you are building a new package, to build for Oracle and Postgresql at the same time.
- 13:36:35 [davb]
- Yes he does.
- 13:38:02 [ola]
- good question. I was just thinking of how to write a new package for PG alone.
- 13:38:47 [ola]
- just compare with ETP is the answer, I guess.
- 13:39:41 [davb]
- that is a great example. the developer's guide gives a really general example of building a simple package.
- 13:43:15 [ola]
- rbm: would it be a major pain to remove the perl deps form mp3jukebox, do ya think?
- 13:44:46 [rbm]
- ola: No, I don't think.
- 13:45:26 [rbm]
- Since all he's doing is extracting the ID3 Tags, there's gotta be a way to do it in plain Tcl
- 13:47:05 [ola]
- in that case I got to try and do it in Tcl.
- 13:47:40 [rbm]
- Yeah, you'll have to do some little research to find out how to get id3 tags, but my guess is that it shouldn't be hard.
- 13:48:16 [ola]
- right.
- 13:52:48 [ola]
- hmm... does anyone know if acs-lang works in postgresql?
- 13:57:19 [davb]
- status is "testing"
- 14:02:10 [davb]
- Wow. I was out for a week, and I still don't have any work to do.
- 14:23:06 [rbm]
- moo fozz
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- * rbm heads out
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- 15:01:53 [markd2]
- rzolf is in the haüs
- 15:04:47 [davb]
- there are no cool jobs in Albany.
- 15:04:54 [rzolf]
- hehe.
- 15:05:35 [davb]
- Actually there is one web programmer job. Requires Oracle and Java though. Guess I better DL a copy of ACS/Java.
- 15:05:55 [davb]
- and it doesn't require a degree. Don't see that too often.
- 15:07:11 [rzolf]
- i've actually never come across a programming job that requrired a degree
- 15:08:00 [markd2]
- all my jobs required a degree
- 15:08:03 [markd2]
- that's why I always try to run a fever
- 15:08:34 [rzolf]
- (foghorn noise)
- 15:09:03 [davb]
- Albany is not a hotbed of technology.
- 15:09:34 [rzolf]
- hotbeds of technology are overrated, though.
- 15:09:55 [davb]
- true.
- 15:10:10 [rzolf]
- the rent is a lot more, and girls still dont find you attractive
- 15:10:18 [davb]
- heh!
- 15:10:31 [markd2]
- the non-hotbeds aren't all that great
- 15:10:47 [markd2]
- out here in western PA, the rent is cheap, but the girls still don't find rzolf attractive
- 15:10:54 [davb]
- I have a nice yard and cable internet access so I guess I won't complain.
- 15:11:18 [markd2]
- got your wireless installed yet?
- 15:11:54 [rzolf]
- in general, you should always explore career paths like "rock star" or "professional basketball player" before worrying about finding a cool tech job
- 15:12:53 [davb]
- nope, didn't buy it yet.
- 15:12:57 [davb]
- Yeah I already tried that.
- 15:13:08 [davb]
- didn't work out.
- 15:13:20 [davb]
- sold the guitar for food.
- 15:13:23 [markd2]
- made michael jordan look bad
- 15:13:32 [rzolf]
- my SATs werent good enough to stay on the bball team, but hoefully this rock thing will pan out.
- 15:13:34 [davb]
- yeah photshop is great!
- 15:13:46 [davb]
- photoshop that is
- 15:14:11 [davb]
- Anyway. The problem is all the locals are unaware of the benefits of a real-live database-backed web site.
- 15:14:46 [rzolf]
- thats because there are few
- 15:15:01 [rzolf]
- aside from feeding a data-base baked web programmer
- 15:15:39 [markd2]
- heh
- 15:15:40 [davb]
- This is my competition: "Links to other web sites - $10 each.
- 15:15:52 [davb]
- rzolf: yeah, but I don't tell them that!
- 15:16:03 [rzolf]
- oh yeah
- 15:16:09 [rzolf]
- i forgot why i came here.
- 15:16:11 [davb]
- and don't forget the classic: Scrolling Text on the browser's status bar - Scrolls from left to right on the gray status bar on the bottom of the browser - $10 per page.
- 15:16:17 [davb]
- rzolf: sorry.
- 15:16:23 [rzolf]
- whats the deal with the latest CVS checkout being totally broken
- 15:16:32 [davb]
- it is?
- 15:16:36 [rzolf]
- it doesnt get past the install.
- 15:16:49 [davb]
- I guess I haven't got that one.
- 15:17:07 [rzolf]
- is there a clean build anywhere?
- 15:17:09 [davb]
- on postgresql?
- 15:17:30 [davb]
- try these:
- 15:17:31 [Psychephylax]
- :)
- 15:17:31 [rzolf]
- or can people just commitanything? i dont fully understand how code gets into the CVS tree.
- 15:17:33 [Psychephylax]
- XML class
- 15:17:37 [davb]
- http://openacs.org/sdm/nightly-tarballs.tcl?package_id=9
- 15:17:37 [chump]
- A: http://openacs.org/sdm/nightly-tarballs.tcl?package_id=9 from davb
- 15:17:54 [davb]
- A:| Nightly tarballs of OpenACS 4 - UNDER DEVELOPMENT UNTESTED!
- 15:17:54 [chump]
- titled item A
- 15:18:01 [rzolf]
- ugh.
- 15:18:22 [davb]
- A: Okay, not totally untested, just not guaranteed
- 15:18:23 [chump]
- commented item A
- 15:18:35 [rzolf]
- hm
- 15:18:46 [rzolf]
- i dunno if that is too encouraging.
- 15:18:47 [davb]
- Mine is working fine on Postgresql from a couple of days ago.
- 15:18:58 [rzolf]
- so is mine, from like 3 weeks ago.
- 15:19:02 [rzolf]
- but i couldnt add subsites.
- 15:19:07 [davb]
- A: Less buggy than IIS
- 15:19:08 [chump]
- commented item A
- 15:19:10 [rzolf]
- so i got the latest CVS snapshot
- 15:19:21 [rzolf]
- and it doesnt install
- 15:19:34 [davb]
- What kind of error are you getting?
- 15:19:35 [rzolf]
- i dunno, last time i installed IIS, it...installed.
- 15:19:44 [rzolf]
- this is the error message:
- 15:19:46 [davb]
- A: or not
- 15:19:46 [chump]
- commented item A
- 15:19:53 [rzolf]
- Error:
- 15:20:55 [rzolf]
- so.
- 15:20:57 [rzolf]
- yeah.
- 15:21:11 [davb]
- thats it?
- 15:21:15 [rzolf]
- yeah.
- 15:21:29 [davb]
- Where is that appearing, browser or log?
- 15:21:31 [Psychephylax]
- Back to class
- 15:21:43 [rzolf]
- browser
- 15:22:02 [davb]
- How far does it get, or is that the click here to begin installation response?
- 15:22:27 [rzolf]
- it chokes on the workflow install
- 15:22:28 [rzolf]
- and then just dies.
- 15:22:39 [rzolf]
- and gives no real error message.
- 15:22:45 [davb]
- Weird.
- 15:23:35 [markd2]
- anything in the -error log?
- 15:23:59 [rzolf]
- oh yesah
- 15:24:03 [rzolf]
- the error log
- 15:25:56 [rzolf]
- Error: Error sourcing /web/gitdown/packages/acs-bootstrap-installer/installer/packages-install.tcl:
- 15:25:56 [rzolf]
- psql:acs-install.sql:247: ERROR: apm_packages_package_key_fk referential integrity violation - key referenced from apm_packages not found in apm_package_types
- 15:25:58 [rzolf]
- psql:acs-install.sql:254: ERROR: ExecAppend: Fail to add null value in not null attribute object_id
- 15:26:15 [markd2]
- * markd2 nods
- 15:26:24 [markd2]
- I think that's the "yer screwed" error
- 15:26:34 [rzolf]
- hehe.
- 15:26:37 [rzolf]
- but,
- 15:26:44 [rzolf]
- :'-(
- 15:26:47 [davb]
- I am attempting an install. I'll tell you what happens in a bit.
- 15:26:57 [rzolf]
- i may attempt sleeping.
- 15:27:14 [davb]
- did you checkout acs-core or openacs-4?
- 15:27:23 [rzolf]
- acs-core
- 15:27:29 [davb]
- me too. ok
- 15:28:33 [davb]
- nope same error
- 15:33:22 [rzolf]
- ok
- 15:33:26 [rzolf]
- well
- 15:33:27 [rzolf]
- i am tired
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- so
- 15:33:39 [rzolf]
- i'll figure this out later
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- 15:58:24 [davb]
- This is cool:
- 15:58:27 [davb]
- http://www.equi4.com/wikit/
- 15:58:28 [chump]
- B: http://www.equi4.com/wikit/ from davb
- 15:58:37 [davb]
- B:|WiKit - Tcl based Wiki
- 15:58:37 [chump]
- titled item B
- 15:58:50 [davb]
- B: runs on top of TclKit
- 15:58:50 [chump]
- commented item B
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- 16:15:39 [davb]
- WOW. I found someone who works with ACS in New York outside of NYC. Although the company he works for is in Boston.
- 16:16:34 [Psychephylax]
- heh
- 16:16:46 [Psychephylax]
- * Psychephylax makes a random appearance after his hands on training
- 16:17:31 [davb]
- Oh was that the XML class you mentioned. Any good?
- 16:21:30 [rbm_]
- moo
- 16:21:55 [rbm_]
- The original Wiki was written in Tcl.
- 16:22:03 [rbm_]
- rbm_ is now known as rbm
- 16:24:10 [davb]
- Really. I did not know that.
- 16:24:47 [rbm]
- Yep. Then the ports showed up, in every imaginable language.
- 16:24:49 [davb]
- WiKit is cool more for a personal system than a web system. It includes MetaKit for storage. The program and data are all in one file. So you can just ship off the whole thing.
- 16:25:05 [davb]
- I am going to fool around with it to keep track of all my stuff.
- 16:25:53 [rbm]
- Why does Dr. Allan send his advising notes in HTML???
- 16:25:55 [rbm]
- oops
- 16:26:08 [markd2]
- sure beats them being sent as a word doc
- 16:26:29 [rbm]
- But his e-mail nas _nothing_ that needs special formatting. It's just plain text.
- 16:27:35 [markd2]
- still, it's better than the director of a college band I'm playing in does
- 16:27:43 [markd2]
- sends out word docs, but includes word perfect docs for those who can't read word
- 16:27:50 [markd2]
- and no text equivalent
- 16:28:22 [rbm]
- I simply refuse .doc attachments. I bounce them back and say "If you want me to read your message, you'll send it in a format anyone can read. Text works"
- 16:29:29 [markd2]
- hope you never get a professor that says "sorry, guess you won't be taking that take-home test"
- 16:30:09 [rbm]
- If I do, I'll take him to the University Provost.
- 16:31:13 [rbm]
- NOBODY should be forced to something.
- 16:31:46 [rbm]
- I've taken one professor to the Provost already, and I'll take another one if necessary.
- 16:31:53 [markd2]
- wow
- 16:31:56 [markd2]
- what did he/she do?
- 16:32:03 [rbm]
- Unfair grading.
- 16:33:00 [markd2]
- preferential treatment?
- 16:33:24 [rbm]
- It was my "mega-lame" class over the summer. The professor was saying some very stupid things about web and databases, and sometimes I would throw a little comment here and there. And this irritated him immensely.
- 16:33:50 [rbm]
- If I were to throw all the comments I wanted, he wouldn't even speak. It was only a few times, and very politely.
- 16:34:15 [rbm]
- He docked 28 points out of my first midterm on a perfectly correct answer.
- 16:35:03 [rbm]
- Funny thing is, I'm taking another class with him this semester, because I'm required to take that class and he's the only one who teaches it.
- 16:35:56 [davb]
- what fun!
- 16:36:19 [rbm]
- I was _so_ pissed off.
- 16:36:30 [rbm]
- Eventually I got 20 of those points back.
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- Vinod!!
- 17:23:50 [davb]
- Hi vinod
- 17:25:32 [vinod]
- howdy everyone!
- 17:26:43 [rbm]
- * rbm beholds Vinod come back from the depths of oblivion
- 17:27:39 [vinod]
- * vinod basks in oblivion, but slowly reluctantly makes his way out
- 17:28:00 [rbm]
- heheh
- 17:28:02 [vinod]
- my ISP is limiting me to 5 hrs/day
- 17:28:10 [rbm]
- WHA? why?
- 17:28:30 [rbm]
- YUMMY!
- 17:28:30 [vinod]
- it's a free perk that i get through my medical society, but they're starting to limit the hrs
- 17:28:38 [vinod]
- davb: cool!
- 17:30:01 [vinod]
- rbm: how's school, work, etc.?
- 17:30:16 [rbm]
- WTH is safari?
- 17:30:23 [davb]
- Online books.
- 17:30:29 [rbm]
- vinod: Busy, very busy as usual.
- 17:30:53 [davb]
- Oreilly teamed up with Addison Wesley Professional, New Riders, Prentice Hall PTR, Peachpit Press, Adobe Press, and Macromedia Press.
- 17:30:54 [rbm]
- School and work are not what have kept me busy, but the gestapo^H^H^H^H^H^HINS
- 17:32:04 [vinod]
- oh no... sorry to hear that.
- 17:36:22 [Psychephylax]
- hey
- 17:46:32 [rbm]
- * rbm heads to class, very hungry for he has eaten nothing yet
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- hey guys
- 18:51:00 [davb]
- hi
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- is rbm here?
- 19:02:31 [davb]
- I think he is at a class
- 19:02:36 [talli]
- ah, ok
- 19:02:46 [talli]
- thanks
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- np
- 19:04:05 [markd2]
- yanni! I love your music!!
- 19:04:06 [markd2]
- * markd2 swoons
- 19:05:36 [yanni]
- ha ha. Sorry, I'm not that Yanni
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- * markd2 is bummed
- 19:18:23 [davb]
- http://www.webmasterbase.com/article/529
- 19:18:23 [chump]
- C: http://www.webmasterbase.com/article/529 from davb
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- C:|Migrate your site from MySQL to PostgreSQL\
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- titled item C
- 19:19:03 [Psychephylax]
- BLURB: XML is cool...Very interesting
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- D: XML is cool...Very interesting from Psychephylax
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- http://www.jedit.org
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- E: http://www.jedit.org from Psychephylax
- 19:20:10 [Psychephylax]
- E:| An editor written in Java similar to XEmacs
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- titled item E
- 19:20:15 [Psychephylax]
- E: Very nicely done
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- commented item E
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- :)
- 19:27:01 [Psychephylax]
- jEDIT!
- 19:36:44 [davb]
- http://techdocs.postgresql.org/
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- F: http://techdocs.postgresql.org/ from davb
- 19:36:57 [davb]
- F:|PostgreSQL Non-FAQ Documentation
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- titled item F
- 19:37:35 [davb]
- F: great PostgreSQL resource I never knew existed
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- commented item F
- 19:39:17 [vinod]
- cool!
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- it looks pretty active, too
- 19:43:32 [Psychephylax]
- :/
- 19:43:38 [Psychephylax]
- * Psychephylax gives vinod popcorn
- 19:45:03 [davb]
- So vinod, I hear you are working on the docs
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- :)
- 19:46:07 [vinod]
- mmm... popcorn
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- davb: yeah, i guess so
- 19:46:20 [vinod]
- serves me right for saying hi to rbm :-)
- 19:46:29 [davb]
- markd2: more theories for that paper "People often learn more by talking to each other about a game than playing the game itself. The community is what snow balls and creates success. "
- 19:47:23 [vinod]
- wow, i leave for a while and you guys start doing heavy duty sociological research
- 19:48:18 [davb]
- We just noticed that 99% of the time someone asks a question, then they figure it out for themselves.
- 19:49:13 [vinod]
- that's true
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- davb: heh
- 19:49:57 [vinod]
- it's often the formal description of the question that provides the answer.
- 19:50:19 [vinod]
- alot of times, i'm butting my head against something and i decide to post a question
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- once i formulate the question that i want to ask formally, i realize that i know the answer (or at least a place to look for it that i wasn't looking before)
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- (do i get to be listed as an author on the paper now?)
- 19:52:51 [davb]
- Sure you can have the whole thing.
- 19:53:02 [vinod]
- haha
- 19:53:33 [vinod]
- now, we just gotta find some sucker to write it... where's talli?
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- ah, time to go. See you all later
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- moo
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- techdocs is great
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- pretty deep stuff in the channel lately :)\
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- * rbm upgrades his work box
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- (apt-get upgrade that is)
- 21:09:48 [jerryasher]
- Anyone here ever use FORTRAN?
- 21:11:38 [rbm]
- I saw it in my Programming Languages class, but never did anything with it.
- 21:12:51 [markd2]
- yep. I've used it
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- * markd2 is an old fogie
- 21:12:55 [jerryasher]
- Well, you know it was punch card oriented, right?
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- * jerryasher me2
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- Mark, do you remember what column 72 was for>
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- ?
- 21:13:23 [markd2]
- that was the end of the usable space
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- after that wasn't touched by the compiler
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- although you could put a sequence number there to be used by a punch card sorter
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- in case you dropped your deck
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- modern fortran compilers can be told to use that space for code
- 21:14:00 [markd2]
- since it's not needed with these new-fangled CRT things :-)
- 21:14:02 [jerryasher]
- I've been grossed out over the years by ACS code that continues to column 9000
- 21:14:10 [markd2]
- yeah
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- And I have a nice little color inkjet that in 2-up mode wraps at column 74.
- 21:14:35 [markd2]
- I like narrow windows, two side-by-side
- 21:14:42 [markd2]
- and huge wrapped lines of code are a PITA
- 21:14:56 [jerryasher]
- And emacs very nicely color codes my tcl
- 21:15:18 [jerryasher]
- So I've a wrapping style using slashes (or backslashes I never can remember)
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- that lines up all the backslashes (or slashes) in column 73.
- 21:15:58 [jerryasher]
- Visually, I find it much nicer. But it takes me back about twenty years.
- 21:16:20 [rbm]
- I usually go up to column 70-75
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- (a small example can be seen at http://www.theashergroup.com/junk/blog.adp.txt)
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- Anyway, enough for that. Time to search ebay for some more cippro
- 21:18:41 [markd2]
- cippro?
- 21:19:18 [jerryasher]
- http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&ht=1&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&query=Ciprofloxacin
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- G: http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&ht=1&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&query=Ciprofloxacin from jerryasher
- 21:19:52 [jerryasher]
- There's nothing on ebay yet. I am waiting for some smartass to start selling it.
- 21:20:55 [markd2]
- antibiotics on ebay?
- 21:21:00 [markd2]
- * markd2 stares blankly
- 21:21:15 [jerryasher]
- I take it back, it is there after all, domain name too:
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- http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&pb=&ht=1&st=2&query=Cipro&SortProperty=MetaEndSort
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- H: http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&pb=&ht=1&st=2&query=Cipro&SortProperty=MetaEndSort from jerryasher
- 21:21:52 [jerryasher]
- Love this comment: fact, there is a potential for Cipro® to outsell Viagra® and Phentermine combined
- 21:24:22 [rbm]
- Just leave: exec $REALSTARTUP ?
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- err
- 21:25:01 [markd2]
- yeah right, another "sorry wrong window" thing I bet :-)
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- A)
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- s/A/:/
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- ||-)
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- hi
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- hello
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- hellp
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- s/hellp/hello/
- 22:06:54 [rafa]
- hi
- 22:07:45 [rafa]
- Roberto, I am trying to install a fresh openacs
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- and I am having problems with nsxml that I didn't before
- 22:08:25 [rafa]
- I checked and I have the last version
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- any idea?
- 22:10:28 [rafa]
- it says that ns_xml doesnt support XML comments then if I keep going it crashes when installig ACS core
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- yu would think I should be installing it in a min by now...
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- rafa: I don't know. I haven't seen this error yet
- 22:15:59 [rafa]
- how are things going?
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- * rbm *sighs*
- 22:16:27 [rbm]
- okay I guess
- 22:16:57 [rafa]
- world is kind of upside down...
- 22:17:34 [rafa]
- BTW I was reading yestarday that W3C was going to start using patented stuff inside standards
- 22:18:08 [rbm]
- that's still being discussed. I sent a comment saying "please don't do it"
- 22:18:15 [rafa]
- sucks...
- 22:18:16 [rbm]
- you can send one too
- 22:18:28 [rbm]
- s/patented/patented or proprietary/
- 22:18:53 [til]
- rafa: are you sure you are using the newest ns_xml? in my ns_xml.c it says "March 2000" and that one works
- 22:19:02 [rafa]
- yes.. I was planning to do it today. I think there is time until Oct 11
- 22:19:25 [rafa]
- yes I doubled checked.
- 22:20:30 [rafa]
- hold on you said March? minde says Oct ber 200, but I downloaded it from the link in Vinods doc
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- 22:22:23 [rafa]
- mine is newer anyway, it shouln't be a problem
- 22:22:40 [til]
- hmm, maybe for some reason only the older one works? what aolserver? i use 3.3ad13
- 22:22:54 [rafa]
- 3.2ad12
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- 22:26:37 [rbm]
- did you have it working with 3.2 before?
- 22:27:52 [rafa]
- yes, that is the weird thing. I just droped the db, updated code from CVS and and I am trying to install all again
- 22:28:59 [rafa]
- in fact I have an openacs 3.x running using the same AOLserver binaries
- 22:29:37 [rafa]
- check at htpp://ebt.ee.usyd.edu.au:8004
- 22:39:00 [til]
- yeah, but openacs3 doesn not need ns_xml at all ... maybe something new from your cvs update requires a different version (there was something mentioned about a workaround for a buggy nsxml that might go away)
- 22:39:54 [rbm]
- yay
- 22:41:22 [rafa]
- i was installing new packages.. but the install doesn't get to that point
- 23:05:56 [rafa]
- I went back to an older copy of openacs, saved locally, with same aolserver+nsxml and do not get the error
- 23:07:03 [rbm]
- hmmm. If you can pin-point the error and post a report...
- 23:09:33 [rafa]
- will try
- 23:18:24 [rbm]
- tks
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- * rbm heads home
- 23:57:38 [rafa]
- I tried with Don's openacs-4-snapshot, and get the same error about ns_xml. I am not sure how to identify the problem