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00:04:06 <sagan.openprojects.net> Users on #openacs: loggy Psychephylax abbaJ rbm strainmaker shagster davb AaronSw chump docwolf 
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00:04:09 <davb> C: the ultimate robot magazine. Every fortnight 
00:04:09 <chump> commented item C
00:04:15 <Psychephylax> ?:)
00:04:28 <Psychephylax> * Psychephylax pokes dave in the nose with a banana
00:04:41 <davb> Its a ROBOT. Its cool.
00:05:04 <Psychephylax> check this out: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,1552479;root=cable,opt;mode=flat
00:06:31 <davb> heh
00:09:05 <davb> Psychephylax: checkout http://www.godwinsroom.com/html/search.php?query=&author=wolf
00:15:19 <Psychephylax> * Psychephylax looks
00:16:18 <Psychephylax> too much text :(
00:18:52 <davb> heh
00:22:44 <Psychephylax> bbl
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00:57:34 <docwolf> hey guys
00:57:39 <docwolf> you checking out my site?
00:57:43 <docwolf> ;-)
00:59:00 <davb> reading that stuff is like watching a train wreck...
00:59:22 <davb> You should probably just link to all the slashdot threads and save yourself some time.
00:59:27 <docwolf> rotfl
00:59:46 <docwolf> the thing that freaks me out about much "online chatter"
00:59:49 <docwolf> is
00:59:56 <docwolf> when an innocent forum goes horribly wrong
01:00:07 <docwolf> like, slashdot is usually a dump
01:00:09 <docwolf> so it's no surprise
01:00:15 <docwolf> but.. like, that skyscraper one
01:00:17 <docwolf> totally random
01:00:58 <davb> right. People go to slashdot to do that on purpose. That is scary. It is the anonymous factor. 
01:03:14 <docwolf> anyway, i'm still working on the interface
01:03:21 <docwolf> then hopefully people will start posting some funny stuff
01:05:53 <davb> should be interesting
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01:59:35 <jabba_> heya rob
01:59:46 <jabba_> you got a little time for a question?
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02:06:39 <jabba_> ugh
02:06:41 <jabba_> anyone here?
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02:40:38 <davb> hi
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03:00:10 <volkadav> would you all mind if I asked a few newbie questions about openacs/aolserver (specifically setting up the pg driver)?
03:01:01 <davb> go ahead.
03:02:46 <volkadav> openacs 3.2.5, aolserver 3.4 for reference.  with either the aolserver nspostgres.so or the openacs pgdriver postgres.o, the server fails saying "can't find foo" when foo is exactly where the server says it can't find it (/usr/local/aolserver/bin/{name}.so)
03:02:56 <volkadav> pg 7.1.3
03:03:02 <volkadav> the module builds fine
03:03:25 <davb> OK I know this one. ... 
03:03:38 <volkadav> :)  probably something stupid I'm just not catching
03:03:55 <davb> Where are the postgresql libs installed?
03:04:29 <volkadav> they're in /usr/local/pgsql/lib/
03:05:16 <volkadav> (thanks for your help by the way :^) I'm trying to follow along to Don Baccus's article on devshed and this seems to be the only thing I can't get working)
03:05:45 <davb> do this ( i am reading from the bboard) ldd postgres.so
03:06:14 <volkadav> ahhhh.  ok.  "libpq.so.2 => not found"
03:06:18 <volkadav> hrm
03:06:27 <davb> ok. check this out :
03:06:29 <davb> This is not so mysterious actually, and is exactly the same issue that Oracle people have: your system has to know where to find the shared libraries of the Postgres driver. I recommend *against* making copies or symlinks in your /usr/lib directory, which will crowd things in there.
03:06:29 <davb> Instead, you should set things up so that the library load path will find the libpq stuff. If you're under Linux, the recommended way of doing this is to edit your /etc/ld.so.conf file and add /usr/local/pgsql/lib to it, then to run /sbin/ldconfig (all as root). Otherwise, you will need to wrap your nsd in a shell script that sets the LD_LIBRARY_PATH correctly.
03:07:00 <davb> BTW, what are you planning on doing with OpenACS, if you don't mind.
03:07:26 <volkadav> just curious, really.  I read philip and alex's guide to web publishing a while back.
03:07:37 <volkadav> just a learning experience
03:07:40 <davb> Also use the OpenACS postgres driver.
03:07:54 <volkadav> yeah, I got that one.
03:08:34 <volkadav> I've been a big postgresql fan for about a year and a half so it was cool to find somebody really using the full capabilities of it as well.
03:08:48 <davb> Cool. I was going to say you might want to look at OpenACS 4, but you probably will learn more with 3.2.5.
03:09:04 <volkadav> 4.x is the java-ized version, correct?
03:10:00 <davb> No, its Tcl. 4.6 I think is the ArsDigita Java version. This is based on 4.2, works on Oracle and Postgresql. But its still in testing. not beta yet, but alot of it works.
03:11:09 <volkadav> cool. yeah, I wouldn't know if it was me or the sw if something bombed so prebeta code probably wouldn't be the best learning vehicle.  :^)
03:11:40 <davb> good point.
03:11:51 <davb> 3.2.5 is easier to learn.
03:12:50 <volkadav> hot damn, it worked! :-)  those wascally shared libraries...
03:12:59 <davb> yep. 
03:13:06 <volkadav> thanks so much for your help 
03:13:41 <davb> No problem. I had that same problem every time I installed a new postgresql. I know where all the answers are in the bboard because most of them are my questions.
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04:34:37 <rbm> moooo
04:55:57 <rbm> clear
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05:40:11 <rbm> hey chump, what's going on?
05:40:14 <rbm> chump: you there/
05:40:15 <chump> Not understood: you there/
05:40:26 <rbm> heh
06:38:50 <AaronSw> chump:view
06:38:50 <chump> A: HTTP GET form for Weblogs.com (http://newhome.weblogs.com/pingSiteForm)
06:38:51 <chump> B: SQLWork and other Oracle stuff (http://oracle.mattshouse.com)
06:38:52 <chump> C: Real Robots (http://www.realrobots.co.uk/magazine.html)
06:38:52 <AaronSw> guess so
06:39:36 <AaronSw> A:Ouch, this really needs to be a POST.
06:39:36 <chump> commented item A
12:21:11 <davb> AaronSw: I thought so!
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13:44:55 <davb> Hi ola
13:50:29 <ola> hello Dave! time for me to do some serious porting work.
13:56:31 <davb> Great,
14:21:20 <ola> the "watch" fearure is real nice.
14:25:27 <davb> Yes, very handy.
14:25:46 <ola> looks like ''f'' is no good in a QUERY like: select mp3_playlist__new(blah,blah,...,''f'',blah);
14:26:15 <davb> Is it a boolean type? use TRUE or FALSE 
14:26:19 <ola> should be single single quotes..
14:26:26 <ola> yes, bolean.
14:26:43 <davb> postgresql should be able to cast the 'f' to FALSE, but sometimes it doesn't work.
14:26:44 <ola> s/bolean/boolean
14:27:43 <ola> yes, but I think the thing is I used four single quotes instead of two...
14:28:23 <davb> aga. Yeah that is a pain. Its in a pl/pgsql?
14:29:27 <ola> no. an extracted query.
14:29:42 <davb> OK
14:30:11 <ola> it works now, anyway;-)
14:31:56 <davb> cool.
15:24:36 <ola> dave, do you know what this could be?
15:24:42 <ola>        Can't locate MPEG/MP3Info.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.0/i386-linux /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.0 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/i386-linux /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl .) at /web/openacs4/packages/mp3jukebox/bin/mp3_file_scan line 3.
15:25:39 <ola> * ola wishes he knew more about perl
15:26:13 <davb> Looks like a missing Perl module that it uses to parse the MP3 files or something.
15:26:40 <davb> check perl.org in hte CPAN archive for a module called mp3info.
15:26:48 <davb> AaronSw: are you around?
15:27:00 <davb> I forgot the command to install a perl module.
15:27:33 <davb> actually thats probably on perl.org somewhere too. 
15:27:44 <davb> ola: do the docs mention anything about that?
15:50:33 <ola> thanks, dave!
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15:51:02 <ola> no this isn't documented, but it should be:
15:51:17 <davb> heh
15:51:40 <ola> Roberto said something about removing the perl dependencies....
15:53:11 <ola> Mayby he can help me with that. :-)
15:53:38 <davb> right. So apparently it uses that to get the song title,etc out of the MP3 file.
15:59:07 <ola> yes, and possibly also to start xmms/winamp, I'm not sure yet.
16:01:01 <davb> fun!
16:44:20 <ola> hmm. pentagon confirms attacks against Kabul...
16:44:27 <davb> woah!
17:31:10 <davb> This Yahoo store is killing me!
18:04:56 <ola> kill it back.
18:08:27 <davb> heh
18:55:30 <davb> I have so far spent ALL day trying to figure out how to upload images to the yahoo store and display them on the page. If I hear someone complain about OpenACS documentation, I will force them to build a Yahoo store!!
19:29:58 <ola> bu huu! Kenny Brack is only in eleventh place in the cart race:-(
19:37:01 <davb> sorry to hear that. 
19:45:23 <davb> Oh I just LOVE Yahoo Store. They use a totally undocumented template language. I am having a good time.
19:49:24 <davb> OK, enough totally off topic stuff. Where are all the OpenACS questions??
20:05:32 <ola> heh
20:05:39 <ola> it's sunday!
20:07:17 <ola> is Yahoo store open source or what?
20:09:17 <davb> No way! Well. You can modify the template code for each store. They host it on their servers which translate everything.
20:09:41 <davb> I actually figured out a way to get arbitraty HTML in there. Its a big pain. But at least its progress.
20:10:32 <davb> I REALLY appreciate OpenACS templating system. It is really nice.
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20:13:40 <rzolf> i'm adding
20:13:42 <rzolf> a subsite
20:13:48 <rzolf> and getting an error message
20:14:02 <davb> Never tried it. Oracle or Postgresql?
20:14:08 <rzolf> postgres
20:15:03 <rzolf> from /admin/site-map
20:15:14 <rzolf> i add a new subfolder called "ibd"
20:15:21 <rzolf> then try to mount new application
20:15:35 <rzolf> of type "acs subsite"
20:15:38 <rzolf> and get error message
20:15:50 <davb> I just tried it and it worked for me. 
20:15:52 <rzolf> is this a known problem?
20:15:59 <rzolf> hm
20:16:00 <davb> Do you already have a subsite?
20:16:13 <rzolf> just a main site.
20:17:05 <davb> Ok. How recent is your code?
20:18:06 <davb> What error message is it anyway?
20:18:28 <rzolf> the code is maybe 3 weeks okld
20:18:30 <rzolf> old
20:18:56 <rzolf> Database operation "0or1row" failed (exception NSDB, "Query was not a statement returning rows.")
20:18:56 <rzolf>     while executing
20:18:56 <rzolf> "ns_pg_bind 0or1row nsdb0 {
20:18:56 <rzolf>       
20:18:56 <rzolf> select case when count(*) = 0 then 0 else 1 end 
20:18:56 <rzolf>  from apm_packages
20:18:59 <rzolf> where package_id = :new_package_id
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20:49:15 <rzolf> the errors start with:
20:49:47 <rzolf> Error: Ns_PgExec: result status: 7 message: ERROR:  Remo\
20:49:47 <rzolf> veFunction: function '__exec_16_add_constraint()' does not exist
20:49:59 <rzolf> [07/Oct/2001:16:46:45][17261.92165][-conn41-] Error: dbinit: error(localhost::gitdown4,ERROR:  RemoveF\
20:50:00 <rzolf> unction: function '__exec_16_add_constraint()' does not exist
20:50:14 <rzolf> Error: APM: Post-instantiation procedure, acs_subsite_po\
20:50:15 <rzolf> st_instantiation, failed: can't read "1": no such variable
20:50:34 <davb> hmmmm
20:50:38 <davb> Weird.
20:51:06 <rzolf> i should probably just upgrade
20:51:24 <davb> could be. I think it is still being worked on.
20:51:43 <rzolf> but,
20:51:49 <rzolf> you are able to add a subsite?
20:51:53 <davb> Yes.
20:52:02 <davb> I did new folder, new application
20:52:04 <rzolf> actually
20:52:10 <davb> (ACS subsite)
20:52:15 <rzolf> before i get into it, is it possible to do this:
20:52:22 <rzolf> i have site, foobar.com
20:52:31 <rzolf> i want to add subsite foobar.com/ibd
20:52:41 <rzolf> and foobar.com/pepsi
20:52:58 <rzolf> and when users in group ibd
20:53:00 <rzolf> log in
20:53:03 <rzolf> they get tossed to ibd
20:53:08 <rzolf> same with group pepsi
20:53:24 <davb> Not sure. Hopefully it would work that way. 
20:53:28 <rzolf> i know how to do this with old sloppy acs3.2.x
20:53:45 <rzolf> but would rather use 4
20:53:59 <rzolf> just checking to see if anyone has actually done this.
20:55:45 <davb> Right. Probably should hit the bboard. 
20:55:51 <rzolf> k
20:57:30 <davb> The subsite docs do not mention how that would work.
21:03:24 <rzolf> yeah, which is sort of odd.
21:03:47 <rzolf> since, i'm assuming that is what the subsites are actually supposed to do.
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21:04:36 <rzolf> i just wanted to check to see if it is merely a matter of upgrading my openacs4 install before actually digging into the code
21:05:03 <davb> right
21:06:31 <rzolf> if you can add a subsite, i'm assuming that my subsite problem can be fixed by upgrading
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