00:32:53 loggy has joined #openacs 00:32:53 topic is: Welcome to the OpenACS helpline http://openacs.org 00:32:53 Users on #openacs: loggy markd2 docwolf abbaJ rbm shagster davb Psychephylax AaronSw chump 00:32:53 This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ and blogged: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog 00:33:21 markd2 is now known as laggy 00:33:23 * laggy is lagging 00:33:26 laggy is now known as markd2 01:10:39 vinod has joined #openacs 01:15:59 yo 01:16:04 * markd2 waits for bread to rise 01:17:28 wow, you make your own bread too? a true renaissance man... 01:22:51 first time in about 3-4 years :-) 01:22:54 got the urge tonight 01:22:59 it'll probably be a hocky puck 01:23:35 mmmm... hockey pucks... 01:24:55 brb. a patient just came in 01:30:49 markd2: use the bread machine..... 01:31:04 a miracle of modern technology! 01:34:36 that's no fun, though 01:34:45 besides, I must prepare for the eventual collpase of civilization 01:36:33 Yahoo store is EVIL! 01:36:48 Every keyword has to be edited with a web form. 01:37:35 hey, its money anyway. 01:47:39 * vinod is basking in MIT's bandwidth 01:48:18 my home ISP is limiting me to 5 hrs/day :-( 01:48:58 lame! 01:49:28 yeah, i suppose i should step up and actually start paying for internet service (i get it free from my medical society) 01:49:59 yo 01:50:13 hey adam! 01:50:14 Yo Doctroid 01:50:24 how goes it, guys? 01:50:36 it goes OK 01:50:40 good, just waitin for marks bread to rise 01:51:07 making bread is a black art 01:51:23 i can never do it properly. 01:51:26 mark knows a lot of black arts 01:51:29 breadmaking 01:51:30 oracle 01:51:46 heh! 01:52:20 We need to start an OpenACS foundation so we can buy vinod some connectivity. :) 01:52:39 haha - yeah, i'll chip in for a good cause like that :-) 01:53:10 ugh. i tried living without DSL for a couple of weeks 01:53:16 and it was horrendous 01:53:30 i felt like i was back with my VIC20. 01:53:49 uhoh - i see a nostalgia-fest coming :-) 01:54:11 the vic20 was awesome. until my cousin got a commodore64 01:54:35 vic20 rocked the mic 01:54:41 except it ran really hot 01:55:42 hot hot hot 01:55:49 * markd2 was an Apple ][ guy 01:55:53 * davb learned BASIC on the Vic20 01:56:04 I picked up a mac emulator a couple of years ago 01:56:07 i had the apple iie - learned basic on it 01:56:13 it's frightening how quickly that stuff came back to me 01:56:17 pr#6 01:56:20 haha 01:56:21 3d0g 01:56:24 call -151 01:56:26 :-) 01:56:33 remember 'locksmith' 01:56:34 print char$(4); "open door" 01:56:46 markd2: though you had recycled those brain cells huh? 01:56:48 locksmit was hot 01:56:52 copy II+ 01:56:56 I had a bootleg copy of them 01:56:58 really took things to the next level 01:56:58 kind of ironic 01:57:09 haha 01:57:15 I did a little boot code tracing 01:57:22 really? 01:57:26 the atarisoft games 01:57:26 what was your hacker name? 01:57:29 I think my finest hour was doing a program for my dad 01:57:32 were always the easiest to crack 01:57:35 it was embarassing 01:57:43 I used three floppy drives 01:57:49 one for programs, one for data, and one for swap 01:57:57 using probably the slowest sorting algorithm known 01:58:03 it literally would run for hours sorting data 01:58:04 (markd could have used a Cider 5Meg drive 01:58:09 it got better 01:58:16 I got a //e with 128K 01:58:21 so I used the BeagleBros RAMDisk 01:58:28 nice 01:58:29 sped it up many orders of magnitude 01:58:34 i can top it... 01:58:37 heh 01:58:38 toward the end 01:58:43 I got an Applied Engineering 01:58:45 RAMCharger 01:58:49 me too! 01:58:52 ooooh 01:58:53 which was this 1 meg of ram 01:58:56 wow! 01:58:56 with battery-backup 01:58:59 it was ridiculous 01:59:07 that was a cool company 01:59:07 apple nerds... 01:59:17 I programmed Fortran on the ][+ 01:59:22 in the UCSD Pascal environment 01:59:23 the horror! 01:59:30 that was the sickest thing I ever did 01:59:42 IIRC 01:59:47 SirTech used the UCSD environment 01:59:48 well, at least until I got Oracle running on Suse x86 linux running on Virtual PC on a Mac 01:59:50 for its epic games 01:59:53 rescue raiders 01:59:55 and wizardry 01:59:57 markd has obviously never built a yahoo store... 01:59:59 Wizardry! 02:00:07 yahoo store just sounds painful 02:00:39 I spent *too* many hours with wizardry 02:00:41 yeah true... 02:00:54 i gave up after the Knight of Diamonds 02:00:59 the mazes were getting too damn bifg 02:01:00 big 02:01:39 (just like i gave up after Ultima IV... the games were taking too long to play) 02:01:46 yeah 02:01:53 That was the one where you could go to the planets, right? 02:02:01 Ultima IV was "The Avatar" 02:02:03 "HardCore" had a program that would print out the maps 02:02:11 might have been Ultima III 02:02:14 the one with the MoonGates 02:02:14 it was probably the pinnacle of adventure games 02:02:18 Ultima III 02:02:18 right -- 02:02:22 where you get flushed down the toilet 02:02:25 to the parallel universe 02:02:31 *floosh* 02:02:36 Ever play Time Zone? 02:02:43 unfortunately, yes. 02:02:48 heh 02:02:51 my favorite game of that era though 02:02:55 was SunDog 02:03:00 i still sometimes fire it up 02:03:08 I was way too young to grok TimeZone, so I barely got into it 02:03:16 I'm still addicted to Taipan 02:03:20 :-) 02:03:36 the other badass game 02:03:41 that was never done well elsewhere 02:03:43 was Autoduel 02:03:50 i'm sort of surprised they never did a remake 02:04:55 you might enjoy this: http://classicgaming.com/rotw/autoduel/ 02:05:17 ack 02:05:19 my youth 02:05:24 heh 02:05:24 flashing before my eyes 02:05:39 Three Mile Island is another I revisit pretty often 02:05:41 taipan! 02:05:57 did you use the elder brother wu trick in taipan? 02:06:15 (sorry just catching up on the log - damn patients!) 02:06:24 strainmaker has joined #openacs 02:07:31 where you overpaid your loan and got "negative" interest? 02:07:40 yeah! 02:07:45 ha 02:07:57 kept playing until we overflowed the integer 02:08:02 haha 02:08:11 i've seen taipan for the palm 02:08:12 I've hacked 'dopewars' so you can keep playing indefinitely 02:08:18 not quite taipan, but close enough 02:08:42 yeah, dopewars is the modern taipan successor 02:08:47 everyone plays that freaking game 02:09:03 I need to make it support 64 bit integers 02:09:10 I keep overflowing the 32 bit ones 02:09:37 it is amazing how bad most modern games are 02:09:44 all FPS, all the time 02:09:47 yep 02:10:00 and what's really sad are the "most influential computer games" articles you see float by on slashdot 02:10:08 which only consider games from 1995 on 02:10:10 yeah 02:10:11 like 02:10:15 bastards 02:10:22 i was playing scorched earth a few weeks ago 02:10:26 with a couple of friends 02:10:33 it has to be the most primitive game ever 02:10:38 but it's a total blast 02:10:50 something to be said about simplicity 02:10:52 i guess when the shareware model disappeared 02:10:58 although I have been enjoying Black & White off and on 02:11:00 no one really cared about making those kind of games 02:11:09 my machine isn't fast enough ;-) 02:11:20 Mine barely qualifies 02:11:26 PII 350 02:11:32 alas B&W can't take advantage of the second processor 02:11:43 the other thing is 02:11:44 most games today 02:11:49 need like a $400 video card 02:12:02 yeah 02:12:21 Nah. I have a RIVA TNT 16meg card and it plays fine. 02:12:46 Most FPS suck, but Half-Life is like playing a movie. 02:12:48 it depends on the type of game, unfortunately.. 02:12:52 half life is incredible 02:12:56 it's the only FPS i can stand 02:13:00 FPS and most 3-D games make me motionsick 02:13:03 and the graphics aren't that great 02:13:05 I mostly just play CRPGs 02:13:09 (which should tell the manufacturers something..) 02:13:31 I've got Oni on my mac 02:13:37 I can only play it for 15-20 minutes before I get queasy 02:13:47 i haven't heard of any of these 02:14:02 Vampire Masquerade was really cool. You can script it in Java. It is the original reason I planned on learning it. 02:14:05 vinod -- 02:14:08 half life is superior 02:14:13 "if you can play only 1 FPS..." 02:14:17 AaronSw has quit 02:14:17 he doesn't get out much 02:14:21 or maybe he gets out too much 02:14:24 heh 02:14:35 half-life is like playing a novel 02:14:36 haha - one of those - i'm not telling you which 02:14:38 if that makes sense 02:14:50 ok, on that rec, i'm gonna have to get it 02:14:53 its the same feeling. Totally immersive. 02:14:55 do i need windows? 02:15:35 When Neverwinter Nights comes out (RPG) I will never need to boot to windows. Its supposed to run on Linux, Windows and BeOS 02:15:35 i think so 02:15:37 vinod: http://www.bungie.com/products/oni/oni.htm 02:15:47 i don't think they never made a linux port of half-life 02:16:53 Oni looks like anime 02:17:09 heavily inspired by 02:17:20 like playing inside an anime kung-fu movie 02:17:25 but without the tentacle monsters 02:17:29 heh 02:17:32 (at least I haven't seen any) 02:17:34 is there a shower scene? 02:17:37 they are in half-life 02:17:39 (all good anime has a shower scene) 02:17:45 not yet 02:17:49 only about half-way through 02:17:52 huh, tried the buy link for oni and it says 'file not found' 02:17:58 heh 02:17:59 oops 02:18:08 Bungie did get bought by MS 02:18:12 ugh 02:18:36 what ever happened to the days of the independent SW house? 02:18:43 Halo is supposedly one of the Anchor Games for the XBox 02:18:55 Sir-Tech was located in like... Ogdensberg, NY. Which is.... precisely the middle of nowhere 02:19:04 they understood the middle ages, b/c they were living in it... 02:19:09 Ever play M.u.l.e? 02:19:21 I knew the guys at Ozark Softscape 02:19:22 yeah, written by that gender-bending dude 02:19:33 I new Dani when she was still Dan 02:19:36 wow 02:19:37 ! 02:19:54 "Ozark" 02:19:57 where were they? 02:19:58 docwolf: yep it is. They were cool. My wife called them and they gave her hints for Star Trail 02:20:01 Arkansas 02:20:07 (SirTech) 02:20:10 got to beta test their africa-based sequal to Seven Cities of Gold 02:20:15 Little Rock, in fact 02:20:15 sweet 02:20:31 the sirtech guys were the best 02:20:56 i'd worn my wizardry disks out 02:21:01 and they actually sent me a replacement 02:21:03 which was weird 02:21:07 wow 02:21:15 I wore the labels off of mine, but not the surface 02:21:18 heh 02:21:21 the gold labels 02:21:28 yep! 02:21:58 i still contend 02:22:03 that the reason games suck so hard 02:22:08 is b/c the hardware is changing too rapidly 02:22:16 look at how good the apple II games got toward the end 02:22:30 consider where they started (Lemonade stand, etc..) 02:22:39 Lemonade Stand!! 02:22:44 And Star Trek in integer basic 02:22:50 rotfl 02:22:55 lemonade stand! 02:23:09 markd2 has changed the topic to: Welcome to the OpenACS helpline http://openacs.org. Lemonade Stand!!! 02:23:16 lol 02:23:16 haha 02:23:36 it is insane though 02:23:42 how good the apple II software got 02:23:44 toward the end 02:23:47 remember multiscribe? 02:23:49 We should write a FPS lemonade stand 02:23:54 haha 02:23:58 i'm in! 02:24:09 I was an AppleWriter freak myself 02:24:20 heh 02:24:26 multiscribe still sticks in my mind 02:24:34 b/c it was WYSIWYG 02:24:36 word processor? 02:24:37 and ran in like 64k 02:24:41 yeah.. 02:24:46 wow 02:24:47 let's see if i can find a web page (!) 02:26:04 how about the lemonade stand module for OpenACS? 02:27:03 Lemonade Resource Management (TM) 02:27:23 this is not happening 02:27:26 Industry Standard LRM-XML Comaptibility Interface 02:27:27 http://www.a2central.com/reviews/lemonade/index.html 02:27:27 E: http://www.a2central.com/reviews/lemonade/index.html from docwolf 02:27:36 oops.. the logger just caught a real prize 02:27:40 markd2: haha 02:27:56 this is surreal 02:28:02 a _review_ of lemonade stand 02:28:13 that's like reviewing lunar lander 02:28:16 haha 02:29:23 lame. It's not the Real Lemonade 02:29:26 a rewrite 02:29:52 booo 02:29:59 i think i have the real lemonade stand here 02:30:02 i downloaded 02:30:06 like 10,000 apple roms 02:30:15 whoa 02:30:16 i've never looked at most of them 02:30:17 I've only got about a dozen 02:30:22 i should probably set up an FTP site 02:30:28 yes! 02:30:32 I can mirror it 02:30:37 let me dig it out 02:30:48 I think the main image site has been taken down 02:30:56 asimov.. yeah 02:30:59 it goes up and down 02:31:01 so one day 02:31:05 i just did a Power Download 02:31:10 for a rainy day. 02:31:34 heh 02:31:53 i even got appleworks 02:31:58 go figure ;-) 02:32:09 I'm wanting "Oddesy, the Compeat Apventure" 02:33:05 heh 02:33:29 i know you won't believe it 02:33:36 but i think i just found it 02:33:45 whoa 02:33:48 Apple should ship the whole lot with an emulator with OS X 02:33:54 that would be _sweet_ 02:34:01 aye 02:34:33 i've got to set up an apple II emu just to see if any of this junk works 02:34:40 except MS probably has a patent on shippinh obselete software. Wouldn;t want anyone stealing their business model 02:35:05 "tass times in tonetown" good lord 02:35:21 "invasion USA" 02:35:25 no wonder my HD is full 02:36:20 davb has quit 02:36:20 shagster has quit 02:36:20 chump has quit 02:36:22 shagster has joined #openacs 02:36:31 davb has joined #OpenACS 02:37:21 oh man 02:37:22 chump has joined #openacs 02:37:28 this emu is faithful... the disks are slow as can be 02:38:45 heh 02:38:58 I giggled when I heard the familiar "beep" when my emu started 02:39:04 * markd2 is easily amused 02:39:28 no wonder you're always laughing at my jokes 02:39:29 what emu do you use? 02:39:32 i'm using Oasis 02:39:40 I'm in mac-land 02:39:44 something called "Stop the Madness" 02:39:50 heh 02:43:11 bilestoad works. I can die happy. 02:45:30 I never could get my folks to get that 02:46:20 http://www.wolfwater.com/lemonade_stand.dsk.gz 02:46:20 F: http://www.wolfwater.com/lemonade_stand.dsk.gz from docwolf 02:46:22 enjoy 02:46:58 thanks 02:47:00 doc, you want me to expunge that from the public record? 02:47:05 wouldn't happen to have Oddysey there? 02:47:10 let's see.. 02:47:21 i don't think i'm violating copyright law 02:47:24 because lemonade stand 02:47:26 ok 02:47:27 is like 75 years old 02:47:31 :-) 02:47:35 heh 02:49:18 anyway 02:49:26 if i violated Mr. Lemonade Stand's copyright 02:49:31 "i apologize" :-) 02:49:35 but whoever that dude is.. 02:49:42 he helped me learn to program 02:49:47 my hats off to him. 02:49:58 all hail Mr. Lemonade Stand 02:50:02 i wonder how many people got their first exposure to programming 02:50:06 by looking at those basic games 02:50:12 * vinod raises his hand 02:50:19 .. or typing them in from Compute magazine.. 02:50:19 yep! 02:50:23 yep! 02:50:38 me too 02:51:20 wasn't there a magazine Incider? or something like that? 02:51:28 yeah. It was kind of lame 02:51:33 Softalk Ruled 02:52:07 that was the one with the floppies, right? 02:52:09 in its heyday, it had technical articles about Z80 cards, Bill Budge had a graphics column, Apple /// programming 02:52:24 docwolf has quit 02:52:45 WOW. They got him already! 02:53:03 docwolf has joined #openacs 02:57:09 http://woz.org/ 02:57:09 G: http://woz.org/ from markd2 02:57:18 G:| Home of The Woz 02:57:18 titled item G 02:57:37 woz kicks ass 02:57:45 he's still active on the powerbook listserv 02:57:50 really?! 02:58:06 yeah - it's sweet to see him answer some mundane question about a PB 02:58:18 it's sort of crazy to think 02:58:19 wow! 02:58:21