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00:43:41 <Psychephylax> me too
00:43:55 <davb> well at least there is one in NYC
01:24:32 <Psychephylax> heh
01:24:35 <Psychephylax> where in NYC?
01:25:49 <davb> I am not aware of the exact meeting time and location :) Its 140 miles away from me.
01:27:00 <davb> If you really want to find out:
01:27:00 <davb> http://www.linux.com/interact/lugs/
01:27:01 <chump> C: http://www.linux.com/interact/lugs/ from davb
01:27:07 <davb> C:|LUGs on Linux.com
01:27:07 <chump> titled item C
01:27:15 <davb> http://www.linux.com/enhance/newsitem.phtml?sid=93&aid=12536
01:27:15 <chump> D: http://www.linux.com/enhance/newsitem.phtml?sid=93&aid=12536 from davb
01:27:26 <davb> D:|Linux Maximus: How to Get Maximum Performance from Linux and Oracle
01:27:26 <chump> titled item D
01:28:19 <Psychephylax> geez
01:28:23 <Psychephylax> that site is on a 56k
01:28:56 <davb> loads nice and fast for me.
01:29:38 <Psychephylax> heh
01:30:30 <Psychephylax> There's one by me
01:30:31 <Psychephylax> cool!
01:30:57 <davb> great!
01:32:51 <Psychephylax> meeting on the 9th
01:34:02 <Psychephylax> yeah
01:34:02 <Psychephylax> I need to find a friend to go ;)
01:42:34 <rzolf> anyone know if there is a way to insert from within a pltcl function and return the oid of the row just inserted?
01:42:51 <Psychephylax> geez man
01:42:59 <Psychephylax> it's after 9pm ... work time is over :)
01:43:23 <rzolf> * rzolf lives in tokyo.work time just begun here. ;-)
01:43:30 <Psychephylax> hah
01:43:46 <Psychephylax> tell your boss you wanna change your working hours
01:43:52 <rzolf> heh
01:43:54 <rzolf> i'm the boss.
01:43:58 <Psychephylax> even better
01:44:19 <rzolf> i would work the graveyard shift, but my DSL won't be hooked up for a month
01:44:27 <Psychephylax> damn
01:44:29 <rzolf> so i have to get work done during office hours....sigh.
01:45:20 <Psychephylax> damn
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01:48:21 <davb> is this what you want? 
01:48:24 <davb> $NEW
01:48:24 <davb> An array containing the values of the new table row on INSERT/UPDATE
01:48:24 <davb> 	 actions, or empty on DELETE.
01:48:42 <davb> thats for triggers only I guess...
01:48:53 <rzolf> does it contain the OID
01:48:56 <rzolf> or the values?
01:49:04 <rzolf> er
01:49:08 <rzolf> i guess the values
01:49:54 <davb> or right, it is the values. darn.
01:53:42 <davb> INSERT is supposed to return the OID of the inserted row if only one row is inserted. I wonder if there is a way to capture it. The doc for Pl/Tcl is woefully inadequate.
01:53:49 <rzolf> yeah
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02:06:09 <davb> http://freshmeat.net/projects/tksql/
02:06:10 <chump> E: http://freshmeat.net/projects/tksql/ from davb
02:06:16 <davb> E:Tksql
02:06:17 <chump> commented item E
02:06:31 <davb> E: interface for manipulating postgresql
02:06:31 <chump> commented item E
02:07:01 <davb> I don't know if Talli mentioned this one when he was looking
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05:55:34 <PascalS> hi
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13:06:27 <ola> hi mark.
13:06:37 <markd2> hello
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13:44:03 <ola> ugh! there's no turning back. I sent Don an email about wanting to port mp3.
13:46:37 <markd2> heh
13:46:45 <davb> cool.
13:47:14 <ola> it feels GOOD.
13:47:25 <davb> Have you ported anything else?
13:47:47 <ola> no, nothing.
13:48:22 <ola> is it time consuming?
13:48:46 <davb> Of course! Its computer-related
13:49:03 <ola> right.
13:49:44 <davb> Use the query-extractor if it hasn't already been done. And keep the URL for vinod's FAQ handy.
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13:50:54 <ola> ok. i'm porting the datamodel now. then I will run the extractor.
13:50:57 <daveb2> testing chatzilla
13:51:06 <daveb2> right!
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14:08:37 <ola> in ACS it's: "create or replace package X" followed by "create or replace package body X"...
14:08:47 <ola> is the former only some kind of declaration of the latter?
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14:09:59 <davb> yeah, laptop keyboard works ok, as long as port replicator is not connected
14:10:34 <davb> now for wireless ethernet!
14:11:01 <ola> cool.
14:11:24 <markd2> "package X" is the interface, "package body X" is the implementation
14:12:02 <ola> markd2: can you elaborate
14:12:48 <davb> ola: check on a ported package. 
14:13:32 <davb> Postgresql does not have seperate those seperate parts
14:13:46 <markd2> yeah - it's a pl/sqlism
14:14:34 <ola> I see. I'm comparing with notes
14:28:17 <ola> cool. Don more or less admits he needs to hang out here more.
14:32:14 <davb> He's pretty busy. I am lucky I don't have any other projects so I am here all the time :)
14:40:11 <ola> hmm.. that breadcrumbs navigation discussion is really welcome IMHO. 
14:44:45 <ola> I think navigation links you've decided on for a site should always be there collapsed and unfold the sub sections when that section is visited.
14:45:36 <ola> ..or something like that
14:46:47 <markd2> * markd2 believes if it was hard to build, it should be hard to navigate
14:48:07 <davb> heh
14:48:53 <davb> I think it is really an application problem. OpenACS should provide the tools, but your tcl/adp pages really have to implement it.
14:49:32 <ola> pretty much like aD has it is fine. but I guess it could be based on the sitemap and have an interface where you could unselect sections or packages that need not be shown...
14:50:17 <davb> right
14:52:26 <ola> with static-pages, will static pages show as mounted in the sitemap?
14:53:24 <markd2> what does static-pages do?
14:53:27 <davb> yes. you need to mount it basically to the top of the sitemap.
14:53:45 <ola> aha.
14:53:48 <davb> It makes acs_objects out of static-pages so you can add comments on them.
14:54:14 <davb> It is supposed to allow you to mount it anywhere. I don't really know what happens if you put it somewhere else.
14:55:09 <ola> cool
14:56:19 <davb> Oh, and will allows indexing of static content for search
14:56:41 <ola> * ola wonders if an banner-ideas or banner-ad package exists for 4.0?
14:56:59 <davb> not sure. I liked the banner idea concept alot.
14:57:20 <ola> yeah. me too.
15:01:55 <davb> i don't see anything like that in the acs repository.
15:02:10 <davb> be careful, you don't want to volunteer yourself for too much :)
15:03:19 <ola> heh
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15:13:03 <Psychephylax> hello my fellow developers :)
15:14:06 <markd2> hiyas
15:14:11 <davb> hi
15:14:30 <Psychephylax> I think I generate the most chatter in this channel lol
15:15:24 <Psychephylax> * Psychephylax hands out free cookies to everyone
15:15:33 <Psychephylax> guess what today is
15:15:57 <ola> hi
15:16:09 <Psychephylax> hola ola! :)
15:17:34 <Psychephylax> owie..my tummy hurts now
15:19:18 <markd2> infect the boss day?
15:20:41 <Psychephylax> No
15:20:43 <Psychephylax> hehe
15:21:01 <Psychephylax> I might just kill the guy if he keeps changing the specs every 3 days
15:21:10 <Psychephylax> :)
15:21:21 <Psychephylax> It's "Psyche is an old geezer day"
15:21:39 <Psychephylax> old / older same thing
15:21:40 <Psychephylax> lol
15:21:59 <Psychephylax> Well, technically you're old[er] every day so i guess that was pointless
15:28:28 <ola> set old [er] ?
15:28:43 <Psychephylax> lol
15:28:44 <Psychephylax> no
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15:36:29 <ola> hello shagster.
15:37:43 <Psychephylax> :)
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15:40:21 <ola> how's the shaguar going?
15:41:00 <Reptilicus> Hmm?
15:42:17 <Reptilicus> I have to get this: http://www.800.com/mv/movietitle.asp?p=5032782&#DVD
15:50:36 <Reptilicus> well, I'm going to class
15:50:40 <Reptilicus> Reptilicus is now known as Psychephylax
15:50:49 <Psychephylax> Actually, study for a midterm :)
15:50:55 <Psychephylax> Databases!! wooohoooo!! hehehe 
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15:54:29 <ola> in Oracle: is a function something that returns something and a procedure something that doesn't?
15:55:56 <markd2> yep
15:57:15 <ola> cool.
16:23:37 <rbm> moooo
16:36:36 <markd2> mooolio
16:36:49 <rbm> hey mark
16:42:34 <ola> hi rbm
16:42:42 <ola> is it hard to port a cursor?
16:48:07 <ola> * ola reads rbm's porting docs..
16:49:58 <rbm> ola: For a cursor, just use a select.
17:06:14 <ola> hmm.. sometimes it's hard to tell even what day it is - I feel like that now:-(
17:40:05 <rbm> It's thursday :)
17:42:21 <markd2> at least for now
17:42:50 <rbm> Unless you're in Asia :)
17:44:12 <lilo> [GlobalNotice] Hi all.  Services will be back up in a moment, after a short program of splits.  Apologies for the inconvenience.
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17:47:41 <ola> rbm: I think I got the cursor right, finally:-)
17:53:05 <rbm> nice!
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21:28:55 <AaronSw> hi talli
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21:33:10 <davb> Hey tallu
21:33:16 <davb> s/tallu/talli
21:33:27 <davb> * davb just got his new fingers
21:35:58 <AaronSw> tallu, tallay, tallu, talli
21:47:44 <talli> hey guys
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22:29:23 <davb> argh! My stylesheet is broken is Opera for Linux and Windows.
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23:31:32 <davb> WOW! Opera is super picky about CSS
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