IRC log of openacs on 2001-10-04

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topic is: Welcome to the OpenACS Helpline | http://www.openacs.org/
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Users on #openacs: loggy davb Psychephylax shagster rbm abbaJ AaronSw chump
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00:16:56 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax is logging loggy
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* rbm goes to his LUG meeting
00:38:20 [davb]
* davb wishes he had a LUG meeting to attend.
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00:43:41 [Psychephylax]
me too
00:43:55 [davb]
well at least there is one in NYC
01:24:32 [Psychephylax]
heh
01:24:35 [Psychephylax]
where in NYC?
01:25:49 [davb]
I am not aware of the exact meeting time and location :) Its 140 miles away from me.
01:27:00 [davb]
If you really want to find out:
01:27:00 [davb]
http://www.linux.com/interact/lugs/
01:27:01 [chump]
C: http://www.linux.com/interact/lugs/ from davb
01:27:07 [davb]
C:|LUGs on Linux.com
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titled item C
01:27:15 [davb]
http://www.linux.com/enhance/newsitem.phtml?sid=93&aid=12536
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D: http://www.linux.com/enhance/newsitem.phtml?sid=93&aid=12536 from davb
01:27:26 [davb]
D:|Linux Maximus: How to Get Maximum Performance from Linux and Oracle
01:27:26 [chump]
titled item D
01:28:19 [Psychephylax]
geez
01:28:23 [Psychephylax]
that site is on a 56k
01:28:56 [davb]
loads nice and fast for me.
01:29:38 [Psychephylax]
heh
01:30:30 [Psychephylax]
There's one by me
01:30:31 [Psychephylax]
cool!
01:30:57 [davb]
great!
01:32:51 [Psychephylax]
meeting on the 9th
01:34:02 [Psychephylax]
yeah
01:34:02 [Psychephylax]
I need to find a friend to go ;)
01:42:34 [rzolf]
anyone know if there is a way to insert from within a pltcl function and return the oid of the row just inserted?
01:42:51 [Psychephylax]
geez man
01:42:59 [Psychephylax]
it's after 9pm ... work time is over :)
01:43:23 [rzolf]
* rzolf lives in tokyo.work time just begun here. ;-)
01:43:30 [Psychephylax]
hah
01:43:46 [Psychephylax]
tell your boss you wanna change your working hours
01:43:52 [rzolf]
heh
01:43:54 [rzolf]
i'm the boss.
01:43:58 [Psychephylax]
even better
01:44:19 [rzolf]
i would work the graveyard shift, but my DSL won't be hooked up for a month
01:44:27 [Psychephylax]
damn
01:44:29 [rzolf]
so i have to get work done during office hours....sigh.
01:45:20 [Psychephylax]
damn
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01:48:21 [davb]
is this what you want?
01:48:24 [davb]
$NEW
01:48:24 [davb]
An array containing the values of the new table row on INSERT/UPDATE
01:48:24 [davb]
actions, or empty on DELETE.
01:48:42 [davb]
thats for triggers only I guess...
01:48:53 [rzolf]
does it contain the OID
01:48:56 [rzolf]
or the values?
01:49:04 [rzolf]
er
01:49:08 [rzolf]
i guess the values
01:49:54 [davb]
or right, it is the values. darn.
01:53:42 [davb]
INSERT is supposed to return the OID of the inserted row if only one row is inserted. I wonder if there is a way to capture it. The doc for Pl/Tcl is woefully inadequate.
01:53:49 [rzolf]
yeah
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02:06:09 [davb]
http://freshmeat.net/projects/tksql/
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E: http://freshmeat.net/projects/tksql/ from davb
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E:Tksql
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commented item E
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E: interface for manipulating postgresql
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commented item E
02:07:01 [davb]
I don't know if Talli mentioned this one when he was looking
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05:55:34 [PascalS]
hi
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13:06:27 [ola]
hi mark.
13:06:37 [markd2]
hello
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13:44:03 [ola]
ugh! there's no turning back. I sent Don an email about wanting to port mp3.
13:46:37 [markd2]
heh
13:46:45 [davb]
cool.
13:47:14 [ola]
it feels GOOD.
13:47:25 [davb]
Have you ported anything else?
13:47:47 [ola]
no, nothing.
13:48:22 [ola]
is it time consuming?
13:48:46 [davb]
Of course! Its computer-related
13:49:03 [ola]
right.
13:49:44 [davb]
Use the query-extractor if it hasn't already been done. And keep the URL for vinod's FAQ handy.
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13:50:54 [ola]
ok. i'm porting the datamodel now. then I will run the extractor.
13:50:57 [daveb2]
testing chatzilla
13:51:06 [daveb2]
right!
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14:08:37 [ola]
in ACS it's: "create or replace package X" followed by "create or replace package body X"...
14:08:47 [ola]
is the former only some kind of declaration of the latter?
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14:09:59 [davb]
yeah, laptop keyboard works ok, as long as port replicator is not connected
14:10:34 [davb]
now for wireless ethernet!
14:11:01 [ola]
cool.
14:11:24 [markd2]
"package X" is the interface, "package body X" is the implementation
14:12:02 [ola]
markd2: can you elaborate
14:12:48 [davb]
ola: check on a ported package.
14:13:32 [davb]
Postgresql does not have seperate those seperate parts
14:13:46 [markd2]
yeah - it's a pl/sqlism
14:14:34 [ola]
I see. I'm comparing with notes
14:28:17 [ola]
cool. Don more or less admits he needs to hang out here more.
14:32:14 [davb]
He's pretty busy. I am lucky I don't have any other projects so I am here all the time :)
14:40:11 [ola]
hmm.. that breadcrumbs navigation discussion is really welcome IMHO.
14:44:45 [ola]
I think navigation links you've decided on for a site should always be there collapsed and unfold the sub sections when that section is visited.
14:45:36 [ola]
..or something like that
14:46:47 [markd2]
* markd2 believes if it was hard to build, it should be hard to navigate
14:48:07 [davb]
heh
14:48:53 [davb]
I think it is really an application problem. OpenACS should provide the tools, but your tcl/adp pages really have to implement it.
14:49:32 [ola]
pretty much like aD has it is fine. but I guess it could be based on the sitemap and have an interface where you could unselect sections or packages that need not be shown...
14:50:17 [davb]
right
14:52:26 [ola]
with static-pages, will static pages show as mounted in the sitemap?
14:53:24 [markd2]
what does static-pages do?
14:53:27 [davb]
yes. you need to mount it basically to the top of the sitemap.
14:53:45 [ola]
aha.
14:53:48 [davb]
It makes acs_objects out of static-pages so you can add comments on them.
14:54:14 [davb]
It is supposed to allow you to mount it anywhere. I don't really know what happens if you put it somewhere else.
14:55:09 [ola]
cool
14:56:19 [davb]
Oh, and will allows indexing of static content for search
14:56:41 [ola]
* ola wonders if an banner-ideas or banner-ad package exists for 4.0?
14:56:59 [davb]
not sure. I liked the banner idea concept alot.
14:57:20 [ola]
yeah. me too.
15:01:55 [davb]
i don't see anything like that in the acs repository.
15:02:10 [davb]
be careful, you don't want to volunteer yourself for too much :)
15:03:19 [ola]
heh
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15:13:03 [Psychephylax]
hello my fellow developers :)
15:14:06 [markd2]
hiyas
15:14:11 [davb]
hi
15:14:30 [Psychephylax]
I think I generate the most chatter in this channel lol
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* Psychephylax hands out free cookies to everyone
15:15:33 [Psychephylax]
guess what today is
15:15:57 [ola]
hi
15:16:09 [Psychephylax]
hola ola! :)
15:17:34 [Psychephylax]
owie..my tummy hurts now
15:19:18 [markd2]
infect the boss day?
15:20:41 [Psychephylax]
No
15:20:43 [Psychephylax]
hehe
15:21:01 [Psychephylax]
I might just kill the guy if he keeps changing the specs every 3 days
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:)
15:21:21 [Psychephylax]
It's "Psyche is an old geezer day"
15:21:39 [Psychephylax]
old / older same thing
15:21:40 [Psychephylax]
lol
15:21:59 [Psychephylax]
Well, technically you're old[er] every day so i guess that was pointless
15:28:28 [ola]
set old [er] ?
15:28:43 [Psychephylax]
lol
15:28:44 [Psychephylax]
no
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15:36:29 [ola]
hello shagster.
15:37:43 [Psychephylax]
:)
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15:40:21 [ola]
how's the shaguar going?
15:41:00 [Reptilicus]
Hmm?
15:42:17 [Reptilicus]
I have to get this: http://www.800.com/mv/movietitle.asp?p=5032782&#DVD
15:50:36 [Reptilicus]
well, I'm going to class
15:50:40 [Reptilicus]
Reptilicus is now known as Psychephylax
15:50:49 [Psychephylax]
Actually, study for a midterm :)
15:50:55 [Psychephylax]
Databases!! wooohoooo!! hehehe
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15:54:29 [ola]
in Oracle: is a function something that returns something and a procedure something that doesn't?
15:55:56 [markd2]
yep
15:57:15 [ola]
cool.
16:23:37 [rbm]
moooo
16:36:36 [markd2]
mooolio
16:36:49 [rbm]
hey mark
16:42:34 [ola]
hi rbm
16:42:42 [ola]
is it hard to port a cursor?
16:48:07 [ola]
* ola reads rbm's porting docs..
16:49:58 [rbm]
ola: For a cursor, just use a select.
17:06:14 [ola]
hmm.. sometimes it's hard to tell even what day it is - I feel like that now:-(
17:40:05 [rbm]
It's thursday :)
17:42:21 [markd2]
at least for now
17:42:50 [rbm]
Unless you're in Asia :)
17:44:12 [lilo]
[GlobalNotice] Hi all. Services will be back up in a moment, after a short program of splits. Apologies for the inconvenience.
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17:47:41 [ola]
rbm: I think I got the cursor right, finally:-)
17:53:05 [rbm]
nice!
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21:28:55 [AaronSw]
hi talli
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21:33:10 [davb]
Hey tallu
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s/tallu/talli
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* davb just got his new fingers
21:35:58 [AaronSw]
tallu, tallay, tallu, talli
21:47:44 [talli]
hey guys
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argh! My stylesheet is broken is Opera for Linux and Windows.
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WOW! Opera is super picky about CSS
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