IRC log of openacs on 2001-10-03

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Users on #openacs: loggy rzolf davb ola shagster AaronSw rbm Psychephylax chump
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08:45:35 [jerryasher]
Hey ola, are you around?
08:51:11 [ola]
yes, hi.
08:51:32 [jerryasher]
Was that you ten minutes ago poking around my blog module?
08:51:41 [ola]
I'm looking at your blog. nice!
08:52:07 [jerryasher]
Yeah, I was just finishing debugging it, and you came through.
08:52:58 [jerryasher]
The plan for tomorrow is to build some templates for it and then to package it up.
08:53:16 [ola]
cool.
08:53:26 [jerryasher]
Did you hear Tony Blair's speech today?
08:53:44 [ola]
no. what did he say?
08:54:09 [jerryasher]
I've never really heard him speak before. Just the usual views in the U.S. that he
08:54:13 [jerryasher]
was pretty good friends with Bill.
08:54:27 [jerryasher]
But today he gave one of the best speeches I've ever heard
08:54:50 [jerryasher]
Good not just for its content (on the WTC attacks), but just a
08:55:06 [jerryasher]
wonderfully spoken speech.
08:55:20 [jerryasher]
I've been trying to find a link to a video of it but cannot.
08:55:46 [ola]
you mean that lovely Oxford english...?:-)
08:56:01 [jerryasher]
Yes, that was certainly part of it, but not all of it.
08:56:21 [jerryasher]
GWB for instance speaks neither like a Texan, nor like a Yalie.
08:56:43 [jerryasher]
I always think GWB speaks like, a, uh, minister.
08:57:18 [jerryasher]
But the content and tenor of Blairs speech was right on the mark.
08:58:31 [ola]
well, somethings going to happen soon, I just hope they don't overreact.
08:59:03 [jerryasher]
That was sort of what Blair was saying....
08:59:26 [jerryasher]
I found a about two minutes of it over on MSNBC using Windows Media Player, but
08:59:49 [jerryasher]
the ten minutes or so I heard was great. A very good mix of
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suggesting what should and should not be done, and why....
09:00:26 [jerryasher]
(uh, as far as I was concerned.)
09:00:35 [jerryasher]
Anyway, certainly much much better than "wanted dead or alive"
09:02:33 [jerryasher]
Well, I gotta go and get up in 4 hours to take my girls to school, so I'll say goodnight.
09:02:46 [jerryasher]
And thanks for taking a look at the blogs.
09:02:50 [jerryasher]
bye.
09:02:59 [ola]
I guess I'll hear it on the news today. I like the things I have herad lately from GWB, and US officials. try to make as many friends throughout the world as possible before action.
09:03:04 [ola]
bye.
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12:39:42 [ola]
good morning, davb.
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13:18:15 [davb]
Good morning/afternoon,etc
13:21:55 [markd2]
* markd2 waves
13:39:45 [davb]
argh!
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* markd2 unwaves
13:40:02 [davb]
heh
13:40:19 [davb]
The modifications I made to the CR have to be redone. No big deal.
13:42:25 [markd2]
heh
13:42:35 [markd2]
* markd2 is getting scolded by some wrens
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there's two birds out here that are giving me and the cat the what-for
13:42:56 [davb]
You are working outside?
13:43:12 [davb]
* davb needs 802.11b and a new laptop with a working keyboard
13:43:35 [markd2]
yeah. We've got a nice little screene-enclosed porch
13:44:24 [davb]
Neat.
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* davb adds screened-porch to the list...
13:44:55 [Psychephylax]
gah
13:45:01 [Psychephylax]
I don't want to go to work
13:45:16 [ola]
yes you do.
13:45:47 [markd2]
work is good
13:45:54 [markd2]
just think "infect the boss.. infect the boss"
13:46:00 [Psychephylax]
Not with a slave driver who gets me sick for a boss :(
13:46:04 [Psychephylax]
hmmm
13:46:07 [Psychephylax]
Good idea mark
13:46:20 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax searches for his bags of germinating germs
13:46:23 [markd2]
* markd2 suggests anthrax-leprosy-mu
13:46:29 [Psychephylax]
hmmmmmm
13:46:50 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax gives up his search for germinating germs and invests his efforts into obtaining anthrax
13:47:24 [markd2]
I think CD now has their albums
13:47:55 [Psychephylax]
har har har
13:47:58 [Psychephylax]
No cookie for you!
13:48:05 [markd2]
no cookie for me :-(
13:48:09 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax is the cookie nazi
13:48:21 [Psychephylax]
That seinfeld episode was on last night
13:49:04 [Psychephylax]
ping dslreports.com
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arg
13:49:26 [markd2]
25.987 ms
13:49:38 [Psychephylax]
interesting
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their site is down though
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I broke it
13:50:39 [ola]
* ola needs a new laptop (and wonders if dell's any good)
13:50:52 [ola]
inspiron 400 in particular..
13:50:58 [ola]
inspiron 4000 in particular..
13:51:33 [Psychephylax]
yah
13:51:36 [Psychephylax]
Dell makes good laptops
13:51:47 [Psychephylax]
most enterprises use dell
13:51:48 [ola]
they do?
13:51:52 [ola]
cool
13:51:53 [Psychephylax]
yah
13:52:11 [Psychephylax]
I know of at least 2 corporations and 1 university :)
13:52:26 [Psychephylax]
Symbol, Cablevision and my school all use Dell laptops and/or workstations
13:52:35 [markd2]
I know a couple folks with them - they're generally liked
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save for one guy that has a lemon
13:52:41 [Psychephylax]
yeah
13:53:17 [Psychephylax]
i want a laptop but I'm poor
13:53:22 [ola]
It would be nice to run Linux without problems
13:54:07 [Psychephylax]
one of my classmates I think had a dell (possibly an ibm) and he ran Suse on it
13:54:10 [markd2]
any local Linux Users Groups around you?
13:54:28 [markd2]
they're generally a good source about what machines run which distributions well
13:54:36 [Psychephylax]
heh
13:54:48 [markd2]
* markd2 is a big LUG fan
13:54:56 [Psychephylax]
LUG?
13:54:59 [markd2]
a LUG-nut, as you might say
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Linux Users Group
13:55:02 [ola]
markd2: probably, i'll check.
13:55:03 [Psychephylax]
Ah
13:55:07 [markd2]
choo!
13:55:10 [Psychephylax]
moo?
13:55:20 [markd2]
how now brown cow
13:55:29 [Psychephylax]
Mooooooooo!!!
13:55:39 [Psychephylax]
Damn it
13:55:42 [markd2]
mü
13:55:45 [Psychephylax]
I want my timestamps
13:56:07 [markd2]
I sent a roll of them to you in the past! didn't you get them then?
13:56:25 [markd2]
lemme guess, you used them all up next week
13:56:43 [Psychephylax]
uh huh
13:57:56 [Psychephylax]
:(
13:57:56 [Psychephylax]
it time stamps your messages but not mine
14:00:58 [davb]
Get a titanium!
14:04:08 [markd2]
TiBooks rule(tm)
14:04:25 [Psychephylax]
hmmm?
14:04:34 [davb]
or an IBM
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of course, neither one of them is cheap
14:04:59 [ola]
that would be awesome but sounds kind of expensive.
14:05:05 [ola]
heh
14:05:34 [davb]
* davb needs to run CAT5 to the porch...
14:06:17 [Psychephylax]
off to work
14:06:24 [markd2]
happy infecting
14:29:00 [ola]
* ola trips over CAT5 almost every time he's heading for the living room:-(
14:29:09 [davb]
Apartment?
14:29:15 [ola]
yes.
14:31:08 [ola]
you live in a house?
14:31:27 [davb]
Yeah. We bought it in June. All the network is in one room so far.
14:31:43 [markd2]
that's right - you've got the sprawling estate somewhere
14:31:50 [davb]
haha!
14:32:00 [markd2]
davb's dude ranch
14:32:20 [davb]
Not quite. Our neighbor has the rest of our backyard. Of course, someone else's house is in his. Interesting setup.
14:32:24 [ola]
* ola looks up sprawling
14:32:42 [davb]
OK Who wants to port the NEWS package?
14:32:46 [davb]
:)
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* davb thinks about doing it to avoid working on static-pages
14:33:34 [markd2]
ola: sprawling estate - large house on a big piece of land
14:33:50 [ola]
shouldn't we use ETP instead of news?
14:34:11 [ola]
markd2: ok. thanks!
14:34:13 [markd2]
mmm.. Eat This Page....
14:34:43 [davb]
I just read Luke's message on that subject. He said the news package is good because visitors can suggest items. ETP doesn't have that kind of function.
14:35:43 [davb]
I hadn't thought of that.
14:36:09 [davb]
Maybe like he said someone eventually will build a generic user-generated content module.
14:41:55 [Psychephylax]
well
14:41:58 [Psychephylax]
I have arrived at work
14:42:01 [davb]
* davb discovers he needs two more internet connected machines for the kids...
14:42:17 [Psychephylax]
If I need to back up my development files
14:42:25 [Psychephylax]
do you guys recommend making a package out of it
14:42:40 [Psychephylax]
it being my package files in /packages/snmp
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or just moving the files to a different place
14:45:14 [ola]
mmm...time for some coffee and a few of those chocolate balls I made yesterday...
14:45:29 [Psychephylax]
heh
14:48:12 [davb]
Do one of each.
14:49:29 [ola]
one coffee and one chocolate ball.. ok. that will do.
14:49:33 [davb]
heh
14:50:30 [davb]
* davb thinks there should be a fine for sending unsubscribe messages to a list.
14:51:10 [davb]
Thing is, in mutt I can see all the list instructions in the header. Outlook could offer those as hyperlinks in the message.
14:52:42 [markd2]
that would imply that MS would want to support existing internet conventions
15:01:17 [Psychephylax]
heh
15:10:40 [davb]
if you pass an empty string as the regexp to the tcl regexp command will it match everything?
15:12:05 [davb]
* davb checks the docs
15:24:40 [Psychephylax]
hmmm
15:24:50 [Psychephylax]
db_string is an SQL bridge
15:25:04 [Psychephylax]
but it says it returns the first column of the reult of the SQL query
15:25:07 [Psychephylax]
what if it's an insert?
15:25:18 [markd2]
query != insert
15:25:26 [markd2]
so it should complain at you
15:26:10 [Psychephylax]
ok
15:26:16 [Psychephylax]
so how do I do inserts and updates?
15:26:22 [markd2]
db_dml
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db_dml me_want_cookie "insert into blah (id, date, hoover) values (cookiesequence.nextval, sysdate, :some_bind_variable)"
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or something like that
15:30:36 [Psychephylax]
what's DML stand for
15:32:26 [Psychephylax]
ok, I got a question: http://openacs.org/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0002r2&topic_id=12&topic=OpenACS%204%2e0%20Design
15:32:39 [markd2]
data modeling langauge
15:32:40 [Psychephylax]
look down right above Deletes the test user and group
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e.g. insert and update
15:32:45 [Psychephylax]
ah
15:33:13 [Psychephylax]
He creates a new relation_id and creates a new relation
15:33:21 [Psychephylax]
Can I use db_dml for that?
15:36:06 [markd2]
you can use db_exec_plsql for doing plsql procedure calls
15:36:11 [markd2]
there's a whole page on the db_* calls
15:36:25 [markd2]
go to /doc, 'kernel documentaton', then 'database api'
15:36:26 [Psychephylax]
where at
15:36:30 [Psychephylax]
k
15:40:18 [Psychephylax]
interesting
15:41:44 [Psychephylax]
so if i have $variable
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I can use it in the db_dml like this :variable
15:41:58 [Psychephylax]
very cool!
15:41:58 [markd2]
yep
15:45:14 [Psychephylax]
I have a databases midterm tomorrow
15:45:35 [Psychephylax]
So I wanna thank you for passing on some of the l33t Or4cl3 knowledge on me
15:49:09 [markd2]
sure thing
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* Psychephylax gives Mark a cookie
16:00:14 [Psychephylax]
I gotta figure out how to break this pl/sql procedure into a smaller piece
16:00:35 [Psychephylax]
I don't need the first 2 blocks for creating a new group and user I just need to take 2 existing ones and create a relation between them
16:01:27 [Psychephylax]
aha
16:09:19 [Psychephylax]
it does not appear to have a db_exec_plsql
16:09:29 [markd2]
maybe it's db_execplsql
16:10:15 [Psychephylax]
no
16:10:18 [Psychephylax]
you have it right
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but you have to explicitly search for it
16:10:47 [Psychephylax]
so my call would be:
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(bear with me while i type it out)
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db_exec_plsql add_to_group "declare
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v_rel_id : integer
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begin
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v_rel_id := membership_rel : new (
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object_id_one => $group_id,
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object_id_two => $person_id
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);
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end;
16:12:44 [markd2]
something like that, yeah
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"
16:12:56 [markd2]
don't know if you need the ';' at the end of the end
16:13:04 [Psychephylax]
ok
16:13:08 [Psychephylax]
well, I'm gonna try tat
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let's hope I don't break many things
16:14:49 [Psychephylax]
it is going to expand the $group_id and $person_id right?
16:14:53 [Psychephylax]
or do I have to bind them?
16:15:29 [markd2]
since you have it in double-quotes, the variables will get expanded
16:15:44 [davb]
Psychephylax: it will expand them, but it is safer to use bind variables.
16:15:46 [Psychephylax]
ok
16:15:52 [Psychephylax]
k
16:15:57 [Psychephylax]
i'll try to bind them
16:16:13 [Psychephylax]
so it would be single quotes if i"m binding?
16:16:19 [markd2]
doesn't matter
16:16:28 [markd2]
you can use binds with double quotes or curly braces
16:16:56 [Psychephylax]
ok
16:17:13 [Psychephylax]
Does whitespace get ignored?
16:17:20 [markd2]
yep
16:17:24 [Psychephylax]
ok good
16:17:25 [markd2]
unless it's in a ' string'
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cuz I like making my things look purty
16:18:45 [Psychephylax]
so if I'm binding object_id_one => $blah becomes object_id_one => :blah
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and on the end I add a bind paramenter?
16:19:06 [markd2]
yep
16:19:18 [markd2]
if it's just variables, you don't need any special parameters
16:19:27 [markd2]
it'll pick up the value of $blah from the calling environment
16:19:52 [Psychephylax]
oh so I can do just :blah and it will search for a $blah
16:20:15 [markd2]
yep
16:20:49 [davb]
Wow, that McMaster University I talked about yesterday has absolutely no information about their academdic progeams on their web site.
16:21:07 [Psychephylax]
heh
16:21:08 [markd2]
What's McMonster University?
16:21:09 [Psychephylax]
McMaster
16:21:10 [markd2]
er, McMaster
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* markd2 thanks Thigh McMaster
16:21:28 [Psychephylax]
sounds more like McMonster to me if they have no info o the webpage
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mmmm
16:21:39 [Psychephylax]
McDonalds
16:23:19 [Psychephylax]
doh
16:24:05 [Psychephylax]
invalid positional variable `:', valid values start with 1
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while executing
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"ns_ora dml nsdb0 {
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stupid ;
16:24:56 [markd2]
hmmm
16:25:25 [Psychephylax]
doh ; wsn't it
16:26:34 [Psychephylax]
This is my code:
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db_exec_plsql add_to_group "
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declare
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v_rel_id : integer;
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begin
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v_rel_id := membership_rel.new(
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object_id_one => :group_id,
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object_id_two => :user_id
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)
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end;
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/"
16:26:56 [Psychephylax]
it craps out on the object_id_two => :user_id from my understanding of the error message
16:27:26 [markd2]
you don't need the "/" either
16:27:31 [Psychephylax]
oh
16:27:33 [markd2]
that's a sqlplusism
16:27:41 [markd2]
"execute the sql that's in the buffer"
16:27:47 [Psychephylax]
it's in the sql files though
16:28:30 [markd2]
right - since the sql files are consumed by....
16:28:32 [markd2]
sqlplus!
16:28:42 [Psychephylax]
oh
16:28:50 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax is a n00b!!!
16:28:54 [markd2]
heh
16:29:05 [davb]
is this right? v_rel_id : integer
16:29:23 [Psychephylax]
no
16:29:23 [Psychephylax]
lol
16:29:25 [Psychephylax]
<--dummy
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Psychephylax => dummy;
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:)
16:30:46 [Psychephylax]
Or like mr pascal would do it
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Psychephylax := dummy;
16:31:17 [Psychephylax]
muahaha
16:31:20 [Psychephylax]
oracle errors
16:31:20 [Psychephylax]
!
16:31:24 [davb]
aha, see I am not an oracle expert.
16:31:49 [Psychephylax]
it's saying something about an end
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Encountered the symbol "END" when expecting one of the following:
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The symbol ";" was substituted for "END" to continue.
16:32:37 [markd2]
you probably need a semicolon after the membership_rel.new function
16:33:07 [Psychephylax]
jeez you're a genius!
16:33:12 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax gives Mark a cookie
16:33:43 [Psychephylax]
YES!!!!!
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It works!
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Eureka!
16:35:14 [markd2]
woo hoo!!
16:36:10 [Psychephylax]
indeedy!
16:37:06 [Psychephylax]
now I can add lusers
16:53:08 [ola]
one coffee and one chocolate ball.. ok. that will do.
16:53:17 [ola]
sorry
16:53:37 [markd2]
what a tease
16:53:43 [ola]
hehh
16:54:55 [Psychephylax]
wow, poor site design on the javascript menu: http://www.abit.com.tw/
16:55:04 [Psychephylax]
Hah
16:55:07 [Psychephylax]
chocolate balls
16:55:13 [Psychephylax]
I want rumballs instead
16:55:15 [Psychephylax]
much tastier
16:56:00 [Psychephylax]
God I'm dumb
16:56:07 [Psychephylax]
I can't even remember what the letter before W is
16:56:26 [Psychephylax]
T sounds about right
16:57:20 [ola]
U
16:57:28 [Psychephylax]
oh
16:57:29 [Psychephylax]
heh
16:57:36 [Psychephylax]
Oracle problems
16:57:59 [markd2]
V
16:58:11 [ola]
ok:-)
16:58:17 [markd2]
forgivable :-)
16:58:31 [ola]
thanks.
16:58:47 [Psychephylax]
wow I was way off
16:58:57 [Psychephylax]
so " allow for variable expansion
16:59:00 [Psychephylax]
but ' do not?
17:01:31 [markd2]
I know " does. I don't use ' ' quotes in tcl
17:01:36 [markd2]
so I can't ocmment
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or comment either
17:01:53 [Psychephylax]
ok then how would I do a query
17:02:02 [Psychephylax]
Because Oracle is complaining when I do a = Manager
17:02:07 [Psychephylax]
it wants a = 'Manager'
17:03:42 [Psychephylax]
I think I can do '$blah'
17:03:45 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax tests his theory out
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doh
17:05:18 [Psychephylax]
it expands in the console properly but doesn't in the script
17:05:34 [markd2]
the single quotes in oracle are in a different world than the quotes in tcl
17:05:50 [markd2]
so yeah, in that case '$blah' does expand the variable
17:05:57 [markd2]
if you don't want variable expansion, use curly braces
17:06:09 [Psychephylax]
i do want variable expansion
17:06:31 [Psychephylax]
I want the query to be dependent on $user_type which stores either Manager or Supervisor
17:06:35 [markd2]
in that case single quotes inside of your double-quoted string
17:06:40 [Psychephylax]
I did
17:06:48 [markd2]
sounds like you're golden
17:06:49 [Psychephylax]
"db_string group_id "select group_id from groups where group_name = '$user_type'""
17:07:25 [markd2]
presuming the real command doesn't have double-quotes aound it, that should be ok
17:07:32 [markd2]
e.g. db_string instead of "db_string
17:07:41 [Psychephylax]
I don't have " around db_string
17:07:44 [davb]
Or just use :user_type and the bind variable will quote it for you.
17:07:44 [Psychephylax]
I have [ ]
17:07:45 [markd2]
ok
17:07:55 [Psychephylax]
oh good idea dave
17:07:57 [markd2]
the paste into IRC had "db_string
17:08:23 [Psychephylax]
yeah
17:08:27 [Psychephylax]
that was from the error message
17:08:37 [Psychephylax]
Dave, it didn't work for the same reason :(
17:08:55 [Psychephylax]
this is the command I'm using:
17:08:58 [Psychephylax]
set group_id [db_string group_id "select group_id from groups where group_name = :user_type"]
17:09:11 [davb]
really? Weird. Did it log the actual query string after it was expaneded?
17:09:17 [Psychephylax]
I have tried '$user_type' instead of :user_type and plain old $user_type
17:09:20 [Psychephylax]
and it bombs
17:09:41 [davb]
I think it is a different error. '$user_type' or :user_type should be OK.
17:09:53 [Psychephylax]
this is the error with the string above:
17:09:55 [Psychephylax]
"db_string group_id "select group_id from groups where group_name = :user_type""
17:10:07 [Psychephylax]
Selection did not return a value, and no default was provided
17:10:07 [Psychephylax]
while executing
17:10:29 [davb]
What is the contents of $user_type
17:10:37 [Psychephylax]
no it's not :)
17:10:42 [Psychephylax]
oh
17:10:43 [Psychephylax]
doh
17:10:46 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax misreads
17:10:54 [Psychephylax]
user_type is either Manager or Supervisor
17:11:24 [davb]
No I mean what is it when you run that query. Put in a ns_log notice "$user_type" to see what is really is or turn VERBOSE on in the db pools.
17:11:30 [Psychephylax]
if I leave everything off and try $user_type the query gets expanded to the right thing but oracle expects ' ' around the keyword to look for
17:12:39 [Psychephylax]
I guess I could try doing this set user_type '$user_type'
17:13:09 [davb]
that will just return '$user_type' to the database.
17:13:28 [Psychephylax]
why
17:13:46 [Psychephylax]
isn't it going to expand it to this: set user_type 'Manager'
17:13:54 [Psychephylax]
and then the user_type should contain 'Manager'
17:14:01 [Psychephylax]
instead of Manager?
17:14:47 [davb]
Oh maybe. Anyway you are confusing me.
17:15:10 [Psychephylax]
brb
17:15:11 [Psychephylax]
lunch
17:15:13 [davb]
You really should set verbose on in your aolserver config file. It will log the text of every query.
17:15:41 [davb]
Then you will know exactly what the database is running, instead of just what it is before the driver converts the variables.
17:25:20 [ola]
* ola wonders how difficult it would be to port "news"...
17:28:17 [ola]
I guess the answer is; "about as easy/difficult as the other packages"
17:28:17 [davb]
ola: doesn't look too bad. Only a couple of queries in /tcl and
17:28:17 [davb]
not too many www pages.
17:28:30 [ola]
what about CR integration?
17:29:26 [Psychephylax]
back
17:29:36 [ola]
that was quick!
17:29:50 [Psychephylax]
yeah I wanna leave early
17:30:04 [Psychephylax]
so I'm not taking my usual lunch break * 2
17:30:17 [Psychephylax]
How do I turn the verbose thing on
17:31:05 [Psychephylax]
i have this: ns_param Verbose On
17:31:07 [davb]
Actually looks good. It uses extended attributes for the items.
17:31:26 [davb]
it uses built in functions.
17:32:03 [davb]
The only tricky part would be the search function.
17:32:36 [Psychephylax]
odd
17:32:37 [davb]
I would do it if I wasn't already way behind on static-pages plus my other projects...
17:32:39 [davb]
even
17:32:41 [Psychephylax]
I don't even have logs for today
17:33:26 [Psychephylax]
Maybe I'm not launching the server properly
17:33:32 [Psychephylax]
I use /bin/nsd -ft oacs4.tcl
17:33:53 [ola]
davb: maybe the search part could be left out, and instead use Neophytos's/Dan's search.
17:33:56 [davb]
Aha -f doesn't log.
17:34:00 [davb]
ola: right
17:34:12 [davb]
it goes to the foreground. Logs to the console.
17:34:23 [davb]
Do nsd -it and tail -f the log.
17:34:32 [davb]
(I learned that this week)
17:35:00 [Psychephylax]
hehe
17:37:26 [Psychephylax]
which log file
17:37:32 [Psychephylax]
it still does not make one for today
17:37:54 [davb]
servername-error.log unless you called it something else.
17:38:19 [Psychephylax]
yes
17:38:31 [Psychephylax]
but I don't have one for 10-03-
17:38:31 [davb]
strange.
17:38:55 [Psychephylax]
you got that right
17:38:57 [davb]
I just have one big huge error log file. It doesn't roll.
17:39:19 [markd2]
yeah. error logs have to be rolled externally
17:39:25 [markd2]
HUP 2 3 4...
17:41:13 [Psychephylax]
i'm so lost
17:41:46 [markd2]
Land of the Lost In Space
17:42:00 [Psychephylax]
yeah
17:42:05 [Psychephylax]
You guys are getting me side tracked
17:42:08 [Psychephylax]
I know the problem
17:42:12 [Psychephylax]
I just don't know how to fix it
17:45:07 [Psychephylax]
why doesn't it expand properly?
17:47:01 [davb]
In the log it should show the actual query sent to the database. You are just seeing the Tcl call. Look back farther in the log and it should say Querying ' whatever the query is'
17:47:08 [davb]
On OpenACS anyway.
17:56:54 [davb]
argh! The internet is too interesting. I am always finding new books to read. I think if I started now on the list I have I might just finish before I am dead, as long as I don't add any new books to the list.
17:57:15 [davb]
I need one of those Matrix things to plug into my brain :)
18:02:17 [Psychephylax]
ok
18:02:29 [Psychephylax]
I just got a totally irrelevant lecture on code indentation
18:02:41 [Psychephylax]
I think I can indent my code the way I want to
18:03:05 [markd2]
good luck when you enter a job that has an existing style guide
18:03:10 [davb]
Only if you never share it with anyone else. Although I admit I have absolutely no style standards myself.
18:03:32 [Psychephylax]
hey
18:03:35 [Psychephylax]
my style is easy to read
18:03:43 [Psychephylax]
I indent and structure the code and actually comment
18:04:00 [davb]
I think if you actually comment the code, you should be able to indent any way you like.
18:04:15 [Psychephylax]
exactly
18:04:41 [Psychephylax]
and as if it is my fault that I don't have root to install the tcl major mode for xemacs
18:22:13 [Psychephylax]
i can't even find it on the xemacs ftp
18:36:10 [Psychephylax]
Anyone still awake?
18:38:57 [davb]
weird. isn't it installed automatically? emacs has tcl mode installed by default.
18:39:47 [Psychephylax]
that's what I thought
18:39:50 [Psychephylax]
I gave up on that
18:39:57 [davb]
right.
18:40:06 [Psychephylax]
I'd rather have working code
18:40:20 [Psychephylax]
If it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand damn it!
18:40:28 [davb]
heh
18:40:53 [Psychephylax]
BLURB: If code is hard to write, it should be hard to understand!
18:40:54 [chump]
A: If code is hard to write, it should be hard to understand! from Psychephylax
18:41:14 [Psychephylax]
back to my $user_type problem
18:41:32 [Psychephylax]
ok
18:41:35 [Psychephylax]
if I have this:
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set group_id [db_string group_id "select group_id from groups where group_name = $user_type"]
18:41:56 [Psychephylax]
$user_type gets expanded into Manager
18:42:13 [Psychephylax]
but: Oracle complains about the query of where user_type = Manager
18:42:15 [markd2]
if you're using variable expansion, you need single quotes
18:42:24 [davb]
what he said
18:42:26 [markd2]
user_type = Manager, oracle looks for a column named MANAGER
18:42:36 [Psychephylax]
Where do these single quotes go
18:43:10 [davb]
around $user_type like this
18:43:25 [davb]
select group_id from groups where group_name= '$user_type'
18:43:34 [Psychephylax]
ok
18:43:38 [Psychephylax]
but when I try that it bombs out
18:44:09 [davb]
msg me with the log output of the entire operate
18:44:14 [davb]
s/operate/operation
18:44:18 [Psychephylax]
umm
18:44:23 [Psychephylax]
ok lemme try
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argh! I can't decide if I should volunteer to port "news", so instead I've started porting "mp3jukebox" in secrecy...
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ooops
19:00:18 [Psychephylax]
Hit the wrong key sequence
19:00:21 [ola]
ooopsie.
19:00:27 [Psychephylax]
heh
19:00:32 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax is not a very good BitchX
19:00:35 [davb]
heh
19:00:36 [Psychephylax]
luser
19:00:49 [Psychephylax]
Trying to close a query and it didn't close
19:00:59 [davb]
I though someone was working on MP3jukebox
19:01:00 [Psychephylax]
so I tried /exit query davb and ummm...yeah
19:01:21 [davb]
now you know!
19:03:14 [Psychephylax]
hmmmmmm
19:03:20 [ola]
davb: ok. I haven't checked with Don. You know how it is... I just wanna see if it's very hard or not..
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davb: it says "none" in the status sheet
19:04:42 [Psychephylax]
hmmm
19:04:46 [Psychephylax]
ok
19:05:10 [Psychephylax]
if I log in and then go to re-log in as a different user, I'm taken to /pvt/home which is part of the sub-site package
19:05:20 [Psychephylax]
How do unmount that and make them go to the regular site
19:05:38 [Psychephylax]
i was thinking of symlinking over to the regular site but that seems wrong and inefficient
19:05:59 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax wanders off to read the Request Processor docs
19:12:44 [davb]
ola: aha
19:13:40 [davb]
* davb looked at the CR and CMS first before anything else. So all the packages seem easy :)
19:17:18 [ola]
:-)
19:18:06 [Psychephylax]
heh
19:18:16 [Psychephylax]
This stuff makes sense if you work on it
19:18:36 [Psychephylax]
Of course this isn't what I want to do but oh well
19:18:38 [Psychephylax]
they pay me
19:19:26 [ola]
what DO you want to do, then?
19:19:57 [Psychephylax]
I wanna be a detective
19:20:09 [Psychephylax]
Jump over rooftops after bad guys with my gun drawn
19:20:13 [davb]
You are a code detective.
19:20:17 [Psychephylax]
While the theme from cops is playing in the background
19:20:32 [Psychephylax]
:)
19:20:39 [Psychephylax]
hey, one can dream!
19:21:29 [davb]
Hey, is there a carpentry IRC channel? I need some advice on fixing my shed.
19:21:44 [ola]
psyche: aha. like Beastie Boys in "Sabotage"
19:21:58 [ola]
?
19:22:00 [Psychephylax]
yeah!
19:22:06 [ola]
cool!
19:22:13 [Psychephylax]
That song kicks major ass
19:22:17 [Psychephylax]
oh boy
19:22:21 [Psychephylax]
you got me all excited now
19:22:26 [Psychephylax]
now I need to listen to the song
19:22:41 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax fetches it from his super secret webpage which has 2000 mp3s
19:23:14 [Psychephylax]
damn fast
19:23:29 [Psychephylax]
100K/sec
19:23:43 [ola]
psyche: that one, or 100%
19:23:56 [Psychephylax]
100K/sec
19:24:06 [Psychephylax]
test it for yourself if you really want
19:24:38 [Psychephylax]
i'll give you the url
19:24:55 [ola]
no. that song, or 100% by Sonic Youth!
19:25:02 [Psychephylax]
oh
19:25:03 [Psychephylax]
hehehe
19:25:10 [Psychephylax]
I never heard that one
19:25:39 [ola]
download it now!
19:25:54 [Psychephylax]
ok but where from?
19:26:12 [ola]
napster???
19:26:17 [Psychephylax]
don't have it here
19:26:21 [Psychephylax]
if you have it
19:26:25 [Psychephylax]
e-mail it to me :)
19:28:30 [Psychephylax]
ok
19:28:42 [Psychephylax]
Now i need to figure out user removal
19:29:30 [Psychephylax]
if i mutate a use email address i'm not messing up the database because it's all linked by his user_id right?
19:30:26 [ola]
right!
19:30:43 [Psychephylax]
excellent!
19:31:20 [ola]
brilliant!
19:31:21 [Psychephylax]
After i figure that out
19:31:32 [Psychephylax]
I just have to figure out how to keep a user hierarchy
19:31:56 [ola]
what do you mean?
19:32:06 [Psychephylax]
well, I need to keep track of who works for whom
19:32:16 [Psychephylax]
like say you have Mr Bob (uid 100)
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He has 2 workers who work for him
19:32:31 [ola]
ok
19:32:34 [Psychephylax]
Mr Dave and Mr Mark
19:32:41 [Psychephylax]
uid 101 and uid 102
19:32:49 [Psychephylax]
i need to keep track of that somehow
19:32:55 [Psychephylax]
I think it's going to be a table
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where one side is who works for whom
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like
19:33:19 [Psychephylax]
100 | 101
19:33:22 [Psychephylax]
100 | 102
19:33:37 [Psychephylax]
now if Mark has 2 other guys it would be in the table like this:
19:33:41 [Psychephylax]
102 | 104
19:33:45 [Psychephylax]
102 | 105
19:33:48 [Psychephylax]
101 | 103
19:33:59 [Psychephylax]
or something like that
19:35:37 [ola]
aha. have you seen this: http://www.arsdigita.com/books/sql/trees.html
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I hug trees...!!!!
19:38:38 [ola]
wb, psyche!
19:39:51 [Psychephylax]
thanks
19:39:54 [Psychephylax]
I got a ping time out
19:40:20 [Psychephylax]
my medicine is wearing off
19:40:30 [Psychephylax]
What wouldn't I give for my bottle of Dayquil
19:41:01 [ola]
Dayquil?
19:41:22 [Psychephylax]
yes
19:41:48 [ola]
what is Dayquil?
19:42:13 [ola]
I' curious.
19:42:47 [davb]
Cold remedy. Supposed to not make you sleepy.
19:43:48 [Psychephylax]
Ever heard of yeah opposite of Nyquil
19:43:56 [Psychephylax]
Nyquil is for night and Dayquil is for day
19:44:09 [Psychephylax]
good stuff i tells ya
19:44:29 [ola]
ok. whatever you say.
19:44:41 [Psychephylax]
I say it's good
19:44:49 [Psychephylax]
Nyquil gets you sleepy though
19:44:51 [Psychephylax]
the other one doesn't
19:45:05 [Psychephylax]
Clears your head pretty well
19:47:48 [Psychephylax]
mmmkay
19:50:39 [ola]
nvl becomes coalesce, right?
19:51:05 [Psychephylax]
wha?
19:53:36 [ola]
nvl(v.total,0) as total ---> coalesce(v.total,0) as total - Oracle to PG.
19:55:41 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax watches that fly over his head
19:57:48 [Psychephylax]
aha
19:57:54 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax finds a bug
19:58:28 [davb]
ola: yep
20:00:54 [ola]
thanks.
20:01:16 [davb]
np
20:03:26 [Psychephylax]
if {[ad_permission_p $package_id manager] || [ad_permission_p $package_id admin] && [$user_type == 'Manager'] || [$user_type == 'Supervisor']} {
20:03:36 [ola]
oooh! an outer join...
20:04:00 [Psychephylax]
this will only execute the block if user is a manager or admin and they are trying to add a Supervisor or Manager..correct?
20:04:12 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax lacks confidence in his skills
20:05:33 [davb]
sounds right. Try it.
20:06:38 [Psychephylax]
i think i'm missing parenthesis
20:07:08 [davb]
yeah. after the and, around the or.
20:07:37 [davb]
over the river and trhough the woods...
20:08:22 [Psychephylax]
lol
20:09:00 [Psychephylax]
gotta love TCL
20:09:00 [ola]
I vote for this:
20:09:03 [ola]
if {([ad_permission_p $package_id manager] || [ad_permission_p
20:09:03 [ola]
$package_id admin]) && ([$user_type == 'Manager'] || [$user_type
20:09:04 [ola]
== 'Supervisor'])} {
20:09:09 [Psychephylax]
Now I gotta figure out what kind of parenthesis
20:09:28 [Psychephylax]
i second that
20:09:56 [Psychephylax]
much easier to look at it like this: (A or B) and (C or D)
20:11:19 [ola]
question:
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answer: yes or 42
20:11:32 [ola]
where is everyone?
20:11:37 [Psychephylax]
hmmmm
20:11:46 [Psychephylax]
Well, neither of those fit quiet well
20:11:47 [davb]
Physically?
20:11:51 [Psychephylax]
Define by everyone
20:12:11 [ola]
the acs community.
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see
20:12:20 [ola]
whoa!
20:12:22 [Psychephylax]
you call them and they come
20:12:24 [talli]
heeeelllloooo
20:12:28 [Psychephylax]
Hey talli
20:12:32 [ola]
helloooo!
20:12:41 [Psychephylax]
http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/10/03/bus.crash/
20:12:41 [chump]
B: http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/10/03/bus.crash/ from Psychephylax
20:12:42 [davb]
Hi talli
20:12:44 [talli]
was i summonned?
20:13:04 [Psychephylax]
B:| Greyhound service resumes after fatal bus crash
20:13:04 [chump]
titled item B
20:13:45 [ola]
talli: look at the last line of the chatlog!
20:13:51 [Psychephylax]
B: Greyhound Lines resumed bus service at 1 p.m. EDT Wednesday after one of its buses crashed in Tennessee when the driver's throat was slit. Authorities said six people were killed in the crash.
20:13:51 [chump]
commented item B
20:15:03 [Psychephylax]
and Hijacked Indian airliner lands in New Delhi, CNN confirms. Details soon.
20:19:02 [Psychephylax]
any of you guys into distributed computing?
20:20:34 [davb]
Like distributed.net or seti@home or something like that?
20:22:27 [Psychephylax]
yeah
20:24:37 [davb]
not really. I don't like to run that stuff on my development machine and it's the only one I've got.
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oh
20:25:23 [Psychephylax]
wb Mark
20:26:06 [markd2]
tnx
20:26:09 [Psychephylax]
arg
20:26:13 [markd2]
felt the urge to go outside and read an oracle book
20:26:15 [Psychephylax]
trying to dumb things down for people is hard
20:26:44 [markd2]
certainly. that's why I avoid polysyllabatic rhetoric in my commonstance discourse
20:27:16 [Psychephylax]
lol
20:29:28 [ola]
I'd like to show you guys two views so you can tell me if I ported it right:
20:29:52 [ola]
ok, oracle:
20:29:55 [ola]
create or replace view mp3_mp3_playlist_map_view as
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select m.mp3_id,
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m.playlist_id,
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m.sort_key,
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nvl(v.total,0) as total
20:29:55 [ola]
from mp3_mp3_playlist_map m,
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(select mp3_id,
20:29:59 [ola]
playlist_id,
20:30:01 [ola]
sum(vote) as total
20:30:03 [ola]
from mp3_votes
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group by mp3_id, playlist_id) v
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where m.mp3_id = v.mp3_id (+)
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and m.playlist_id = v.playlist_id (+);
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tada!
20:30:17 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax falls off his chair
20:30:32 [ola]
and now PG:
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create view mp3_mp3_playlist_map_view as
20:30:34 [ola]
select m.mp3_id,
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m.playlist_id,
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m.sort_key,
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coalesce(v.total,0) As total
20:30:37 [ola]
from mp3_mp3_playlist_map m,
20:30:39 [ola]
left join (select mp3_id,
20:30:41 [ola]
playlist_id,
20:30:43 [ola]
sum(vote) as total
20:30:45 [ola]
from mp3_votes
20:30:47 [ola]
group by mp3_id, playlist_id) v
20:30:50 [ola]
on (m.mp3_id = v.mp3_id)
20:30:51 [ola]
and on (m.playlist_id = v.playlist_id);
20:30:53 [ola]
voila...
20:31:38 [ola]
how does that outer join look?
20:32:04 [Psychephylax]
beyond my abilities
20:32:06 [Psychephylax]
lol
20:33:03 [davb]
Looks ok. I am not a join expert.
20:33:28 [Psychephylax]
my dad is a joint expert...well, at least he was back in Russia
20:33:55 [davb]
The main thing is that you HAVE to use an alias for the table name in an outer join if you join it to itself( which you are not doing anyway)
20:33:56 [ola]
can you ask him?
20:34:21 [davb]
Psychephylax: I assume the extra T is not a mistake...
20:34:37 [Psychephylax]
it's not
20:34:45 [Psychephylax]
hehehe, he was an orthpaedic surgeon
20:34:50 [Psychephylax]
fixed all sorts of joints
20:34:52 [davb]
Cool.
20:35:10 [Psychephylax]
ok
20:35:24 [Psychephylax]
Is it possible to have variables that were not specifically contracted?
20:36:29 [davb]
Sure. The contract is for incoming and outgoing variables. Any that stay in the page are OK.
20:36:53 [davb]
Also you can just leave them out, but you would have to check for them explictly in the code. The contract is just a helpful tool.
20:37:17 [Psychephylax]
heh
20:37:26 [Psychephylax]
not helpful when you're trying to determine where a variable came from :)
20:37:54 [markd2]
ns_set print [ns_getform] is a handy way to see what's in your formadata
20:38:14 [Psychephylax]
well, I traced it down to ad_registration_finite_state_machine_admin_links
20:38:30 [Psychephylax]
Which returns administration links to change users state
20:38:35 [Psychephylax]
but
20:38:42 [Psychephylax]
It returns more than I want to display
20:39:21 [Psychephylax]
i s'pose I can hack the tcl file it's in
20:44:07 [Psychephylax]
i came to a conclusion
20:44:15 [Psychephylax]
If my boss had given me exact specs for what he wants
20:44:18 [Psychephylax]
I would be much happier
20:44:58 [markd2]
* markd2 welcomes psychephylax to the real world
20:45:11 [markd2]
you'll never get exact specs
20:45:21 [markd2]
except for classroom exercises
20:45:23 [markd2]
and even for those....
20:45:24 [Psychephylax]
heh
20:45:28 [Psychephylax]
well, I have NO spec docs
20:45:34 [Psychephylax]
basically what I want to do I do
20:47:29 [Psychephylax]
then if he doesn't like it I get to redo it all
20:47:33 [Psychephylax]
stupid if you ask me
20:55:46 [Psychephylax]
ugh
20:56:25 [Psychephylax]
you guys familiar with the finite state machine in OACS?
20:56:38 [Psychephylax]
the user_state one
20:56:43 [Psychephylax]
if there's more than one
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gah
21:09:13 [Psychephylax]
it doesn't edit
21:13:15 [Psychephylax]
Ok, why the hell isn't it calling the proper function
21:13:17 [Psychephylax]
ooooh
21:13:22 [Psychephylax]
The server has to be restarted
21:14:29 [Psychephylax]
w00t!
21:15:12 [Psychephylax]
Eureka!
21:18:41 [rbm]
m000t
21:18:49 [Psychephylax]
lol
21:18:52 [Psychephylax]
moot to you too
21:20:36 [rbm]
hey Psyche
21:21:12 [Psychephylax]
Hello Roberto
21:21:19 [Psychephylax]
Anyone know when Beta is coming out?
21:22:05 [rbm]
I forgot when.
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21:22:43 [rbm]
I've been so screwed up by the INS, and it has taken so much time of me that I've been off of things a bit.
21:22:46 [Psychephylax]
that's not very helpful ;)
21:22:59 [rbm]
s/INS/Post-WW2 Gestapo/
21:23:05 [Psychephylax]
lol
21:23:38 [rbm]
* rbm cries
21:23:44 [ola]
rbm: hi, do you know if someone is porting mp3jukebox?
21:24:20 [rbm]
ola: No, but if you want to that, I'd love it :-)
21:24:30 [rbm]
And remove that dependency on Perl please
21:24:41 [rbm]
I looked at it. It seems like a piece of cake to port.
21:24:52 [Psychephylax]
I wanna port it! hehehe
21:24:59 [Psychephylax]
You guys always helping me
21:25:02 [Psychephylax]
I wanna help you
21:25:08 [ola]
what pearl dependency?
21:25:36 [Psychephylax]
the one that brings in the money for the pearls?
21:25:36 [ola]
perl
21:25:44 [Psychephylax]
:-/
21:26:26 [rbm]
It uses a little Perl script with a Perl module to extract the ID3 tags from the files and insert them into the database.
21:26:44 [ola]
aha.
21:27:18 [rbm]
I was exaggerating :)
21:27:23 [rbm]
err. wrong window,.
21:28:11 [Psychephylax]
what do you guys is more efficient/appropriate
21:28:25 [Psychephylax]
I'm hacking a bunch of files that are already written for me
21:28:34 [Psychephylax]
like from acs-subsite and whatnot
21:28:46 [Psychephylax]
is it better to copy them to my package or edit them in theirs?
21:29:09 [Psychephylax]
s/guys/guys think
21:29:24 [rbm]
Is that for a new package?
21:29:34 [rbm]
I guess I'm not understanding what you're trying to do
21:29:47 [Psychephylax]
Well
21:29:51 [Psychephylax]
I'm writing a package
21:30:01 [Psychephylax]
which requires it's own user interface
21:30:23 [Psychephylax]
And things like adding a user, removing a user are kinda written already
21:30:38 [Psychephylax]
so i've edited a bunch of files
21:30:47 [Psychephylax]
for example
21:31:00 [Psychephylax]
the user removal
21:31:23 [Psychephylax]
uses admin-procs.tcl from the kernel (i think)
21:31:50 [Psychephylax]
But I need a modified one, because we don't want to show things like ban a user to the people...so is it better to move these types of things to my package or edit them in place?
21:34:27 [ola]
oh no! this function has 26 parameters. I think I need to overload.
21:40:00 [rbm]
Psychephylax: Is "admin-procs.tcl" a page or library?
21:40:07 [rbm]
If it's a page, copy and modify.
21:40:17 [rbm]
But how?
21:40:20 [rbm]
argh!
21:40:28 [rbm]
nevermind
21:51:51 [Psychephylax]
library afaict
21:53:16 [Psychephylax]
gah
21:53:26 [Psychephylax]
if only my boss didn't modify the UI every time he takes a look at it
21:54:19 [Psychephylax]
let's seeeee
21:54:22 [Psychephylax]
I was here at 10:30
21:54:27 [Psychephylax]
andi t's 5:50
21:54:45 [Psychephylax]
that's....ummmm 6 hours and 20 minutes?
21:55:32 [Psychephylax]
I'm going home
21:55:32 [Psychephylax]
:)
21:55:41 [Psychephylax]
I can't count that far so it must be long and time to go home
21:55:42 [Psychephylax]
hehehehehe
21:56:09 [rbm]
If it's library, you should be able to use it as is. But if it has UI, you might be better just copying to your package
21:57:14 [Psychephylax]
i be back later
22:00:06 [ola]
bye
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