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00:25:23 <Psychephylax> yesh
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01:18:38 <davb> Wohoo. WOrk can progress. I finally got sound working again!
01:27:47 <davb> http://web.oreilly.com/news/docbooklic_0901.html
01:27:47 <chump> E: http://web.oreilly.com/news/docbooklic_0901.html from davb
01:28:11 <davb> E:|Docbook the Definitive Guide Released Under GNU License
01:28:11 <chump> titled item E
01:39:13 <Psychephylax> hey 
01:39:19 <davb> ho
01:39:46 <Psychephylax> heh
01:39:48 <Psychephylax> I have a dilemma
01:39:57 <Psychephylax> I can skip a day of class to go to an XML class from work
01:40:03 <Psychephylax> or I can just say no
01:40:12 <davb> Do you want to go to the XML class??
01:40:23 <Psychephylax> I would like to go to learn
01:40:26 <davb> Where will you learn more useful information.
01:40:29 <Psychephylax> lemme see when my tests are
01:40:37 <davb> Good idea. 
01:43:26 <Psychephylax> no tests
01:43:31 <Psychephylax> one comes close
01:43:47 <Psychephylax> It's on Th but the class is on Tuesday/Wed
01:48:37 <Psychephylax> hmmm
01:48:43 <Psychephylax> * Psychephylax reads his online stuff
01:49:15 <davb> I am building a page to set categories. I am trying to figure out what the adp will need to process the request.
01:50:40 <davb> How about this. Should I have a seperate tcl page for add, remove or just present a list of categories, and you can check/uncheck them, then the next page compares it to the existing categories and sets them?
01:51:33 <Psychephylax> I have to do the same thing
01:51:39 <Psychephylax> where it's "problem type" 
01:51:47 <Psychephylax> Like "Car knocked out tree in Freeport"
01:51:54 <Psychephylax> and "Poor modem signal"
01:52:10 <Psychephylax> I'm going to have a page for adding and a page for hiding
01:52:17 <Psychephylax> Keeps it separate
01:52:26 <Psychephylax> Dang!
01:52:38 <Psychephylax> I really have to start actively submitting my resume to a bunch of these companies
01:53:13 <davb> couldn't hurt. I had two calls today about new work, but I wasn't home :( hopefully I can call them back tomorrow.
01:53:35 <Psychephylax> Cell phone man! Cell phone!
01:53:37 <Psychephylax> :/
01:53:48 <Psychephylax> It gets you a job...or brain cancer
01:53:57 <Psychephylax> Anyways
01:53:58 <davb> Yeah I have one. turned off at home :)
01:54:12 <Psychephylax> I must must must start submitting my resumes in the next 2 weeks
01:54:24 <Psychephylax> most places have resume deadlines by early october
01:54:56 <Psychephylax> Heh
01:55:07 <Psychephylax> You know...I wanna smack my boss over the head with a big heavy book
01:55:16 <Psychephylax> maybe Oracle Complete Reference
01:55:19 <Psychephylax> or the Bible
01:55:22 <Psychephylax> Or War and Peace
01:57:18 <Psychephylax> You know...he's a brilliant man with a cat named spot but he seriously has some problems :/
01:57:30 <Psychephylax> I gotta figure out how to deal with it on Wed
01:57:42 <davb> well good luck.
01:57:48 <Psychephylax> You know it's funny
01:58:27 <Psychephylax> I emailed telling him I need the SNMP script working in some shape or form so I can do my tcl/adp pages and get it to go playing in the database
01:58:38 <Psychephylax> So he replies to me..."Don't do the SNMP stuff, work on groups"
01:59:08 <Psychephylax> The group stuff is being done by OACS porters...I will have minimal work to fix it...But I will definetly have to rewrite the SNMP script...
02:01:21 <davb> Fun.
02:01:36 <Psychephylax> heh
02:01:38 <Psychephylax> Yeah
02:01:48 <davb> I will need a master list of all possible categories. Should I stuff that into an array or nsv or something?
02:01:54 <Psychephylax> I think I'm just gonna tell John that Marc is not a good boss
02:01:58 <Psychephylax> What's an nsv?
02:01:59 <davb> Or mabe cache it.
02:02:18 <Psychephylax> well
02:02:27 <Psychephylax> The way I was thinking is make it into a table
02:02:29 <davb> special AOLserver variable. It exists in all interpreters and works like an array.
02:02:34 <Psychephylax> oh
02:02:43 <Psychephylax> I was thinking of a database table
02:02:45 <davb> It is a table already.
02:02:48 <Psychephylax> oh
02:02:53 <Psychephylax> So just select from it ?
02:03:17 <davb> I probably just should because these are all admin pages, so I can just doa  select from cr_keywords 
02:03:21 <davb> and not worry about it.
02:04:46 <Psychephylax> Man, stock market is nutty
02:05:08 <davb> always has been
02:05:16 <Psychephylax> no, I mean extra today
02:05:37 <davb> what happened?
02:05:49 <Psychephylax> First day it opened since Tuesday
02:06:01 <Psychephylax> It went waaaay down but not too bad
02:06:28 <Psychephylax> things are getting back to normal around here
02:06:38 <davb> ok, so I have keyword_id, heading, description. I want to get them all so they can be displayed on the page. 
02:06:50 <davb> But I don't want to use 3 seperate lists...
02:06:57 <davb> maybe a list of lists...
02:07:36 <Psychephylax> heh...before I contribute any more suggestions to you....You must sign an agreement that you are aware that I do not know anything and my suggestions might not be optimal
02:07:55 <davb> no problem. I have been giving you bogus advice all along!
02:08:06 <Psychephylax> figures :P
02:08:31 <Psychephylax> 3 lists?
02:09:13 <davb> I have say 10 categories. I need to retrieve the keyword id, heading, and description of each.
02:09:29 <Psychephylax> from a database?
02:09:31 <davb> So i figure a list with 10 lists of keyowrd id, heading, desc... inside
02:09:39 <davb> Yeah. There is db_list_of_lists
02:09:48 <Psychephylax> why don't you just make a table
02:10:15 <Psychephylax> where each of those things -> keyword_id, heading, description into a separate column?
02:10:20 <davb> yes.
02:10:51 <Psychephylax> then it's just select heading, description from categories where keyword_id = 'blah';
02:10:51 <davb> what luck, the database API docs in the ACS Kernel documentation and ACS Developers documentation are different!
02:11:03 <Psychephylax> Docs...pshhh lol
02:11:28 <davb> Returns a Tcl list, each element of which is a list of all column values
02:11:28 <davb> in a row of the result of SQL query sql. If
02:11:28 <davb> sql doesn't return any rows, returns an empty list.
02:11:28 <davb> (Analogous to database_to_tcl_list_list.) 
02:11:36 <davb> db_list_of_lists
02:12:31 <Psychephylax> hmmm
02:13:05 <Psychephylax> Explain to me what you're doing
02:13:14 <Psychephylax> You have categories of keywords?
02:13:36 <davb> Table: cr_keywords has 3 columns, keyword_id, heading, description
02:13:52 <davb> I want to get all the categories and information to present a list to pick from to the user.
02:15:56 <Psychephylax> ok
02:16:08 <Psychephylax> And how do you plan on presenting this to the user?
02:16:31 <davb> multiple select list I think, soyou can click on 1 or more and hit submit.
02:16:37 <Psychephylax> I have a similar problem...I was hoping for a drop down box from html forms
02:17:00 <davb> Yeah, like that but a select list allows multiples, but it doesn;t drop down, always open.
02:17:05 <Psychephylax> oh ok
02:17:09 <Psychephylax> let's see
02:17:13 <Psychephylax> * Psychephylax goes to webmonkey
02:18:03 <Psychephylax> hrm...
02:18:23 <Psychephylax> I _guess_ you'd have to calculate the number of keywords you have
02:18:54 <Psychephylax> Then, in a loop create <option value="@count@"> @keyword@</option>
02:18:57 <Psychephylax> or something similar
02:19:11 <davb> hmmmm... just use foreach 
02:19:22 <davb> it iterates through a list. 
02:19:31 <Psychephylax> well, either way...a loop to make a new form entry for every new keyword
02:20:38 <davb> Wait. templating has a <multiple> tag. It iterates through a list for you.
02:20:48 <Psychephylax> there ya go
02:20:52 <Psychephylax> Use that
02:21:06 <Psychephylax> I'm sure there's more than one way of doing the list creation
02:21:22 <Psychephylax> Cooooool
02:21:27 <Psychephylax> * Psychephylax is going to apply to FBI
02:22:06 <davb> good idea.
02:22:29 <davb> so I can;t stick an arbitraty .tcl file in www/ and have it work??
02:22:43 <Psychephylax> What do you mean?
02:22:59 <Psychephylax> Actually, you can as far as I understand the system
02:23:15 <davb> I created categories.tcl to just spit out a list of categories to see if my query works.
02:23:30 <Psychephylax> Because the request processor picks the best file with that name
02:23:48 <Psychephylax> and I think it can actually be either an adp (first choice), tcl (second choice), folder (third choice)
02:24:07 <davb> yeah it didn;t work. went to directory listing of acs-subsite/www
02:24:19 <davb> Oops. I stuck it in the wrong server 
02:25:09 <Psychephylax> Heh
02:25:28 <davb> Thats the problem having 2 different openacs installs. I have the porting version and my development web site version.
02:25:28 <Psychephylax> I can intern at FBI
02:25:36 <Psychephylax> :/
02:25:41 <Psychephylax> * Psychephylax is happy he does not have that problem
02:25:52 <Psychephylax> That angers me
02:26:02 <Psychephylax> My GPA is 2.94...Only .06 away from a 3.0
02:26:11 <Psychephylax> And most companies want a 3.0
02:26:15 <Psychephylax> those bastards...
02:26:17 <davb> Well there are enough.
02:26:28 <Psychephylax> There are enough what?
02:26:45 <davb> 3.0s. I don't have any sort of technology degree at all.
02:27:01 <davb> And I have a correspondingly crappy day job.
02:27:23 <Psychephylax> What's that?
02:27:32 <davb> I work for New York State
02:27:36 <Psychephylax> lol
02:27:37 <Psychephylax> Nice
02:27:48 <Psychephylax> What part of NYS?
02:27:50 <davb> They pay me to check my email and hack on OpenACS-4
02:28:05 <Psychephylax> If the pay is good..why not. right?
02:28:08 <davb> well they pay me to sit around, I do that stuff so I don't go insane
02:28:27 <davb> At least their firewall lets everything through
02:28:45 <Psychephylax> * Psychephylax pictures dave sitting in the center of a huuuuge room with a computer in the center and a monotonous water dripping sound
02:28:48 <davb> I work at PERB (check my reverse DNS during the day sometime)
02:29:11 <Psychephylax> PERB?
02:29:25 <davb> Public Employment Relations Board
02:29:30 <Psychephylax> That's not like a secret acronym for PERV
02:29:33 <Psychephylax> oh ok..good
02:29:38 <davb> We work with public employers and unions
02:29:43 <Psychephylax> Cool, so you can get me a job?
02:29:45 <Psychephylax> ;/
02:29:56 <Psychephylax> Get me a union job where I can do nothing ;)
02:30:02 <Psychephylax> I am a good counter strike player!
02:30:16 <davb> I am not union.
02:30:24 <Psychephylax> You got connections :P
02:30:27 <davb> Take a test.
02:30:30 <davb> Nope.
02:30:36 <Psychephylax> heh
02:30:45 <Psychephylax> You work up in Albany?
02:30:50 <davb> Actually if you have 60 credits of CS you can become a Programmer Analust
02:30:56 <Psychephylax> Woohoo...
02:30:57 <davb> s/lust/lyst
02:31:04 <Psychephylax> I have more than 60
02:31:13 <Psychephylax> Going to be like 90 or so after this semester
02:31:16 <Psychephylax> And 2 degrees :)
02:31:17 <davb> If you get a bachalors you can get a senior P/A
02:31:20 <Psychephylax> I can program and add!
02:31:26 <Psychephylax> Hmmm
02:31:28 <davb> Yes I work in Albany
02:31:38 <Psychephylax> Where are these P/A jobs?
02:31:43 <davb> check out www.cs.state.ny.us if you are really interested
02:31:46 <davb> Mostly albany.
02:31:54 <Psychephylax> Hmmm
02:31:56 <davb> But some all over.
02:32:06 <Psychephylax> I'd like one in NYC or on Long Island
02:32:17 <Psychephylax> you know where LI is right?
02:32:21 <davb> NYC is probably the next best bet.
02:32:22 <davb> Yes.
02:32:26 <Psychephylax> ok
02:32:41 <Psychephylax> You know where Port Jeff is?
02:32:49 <davb> no, but I have heard of it.
02:32:52 <Psychephylax> Port Jefferson/Port Jeff
02:32:56 <Psychephylax> Hmmm
02:33:11 <Psychephylax> ok, instead of me sitting here breaking my head...What places do you know on Long Island if any?
02:34:14 <davb> None really. I never vistied I have seen it on a map. I know there is Nassau and Suffolk Counties
02:34:21 <Psychephylax> Right
02:34:24 <Psychephylax> I live in Suffolk
02:35:04 <Psychephylax> Good
02:35:10 <Psychephylax> * Psychephylax was watching the news
02:35:36 <Psychephylax> Management of some upscale place in NYC wanted the doorman to remove the US Flag from the lobby because it wasn't "autorized"
02:35:45 <Psychephylax> Everyone got pissed and yelled at the management
02:35:54 <davb> Psychephylax: do you know about the tcl/xql file watch feature?
02:35:56 <davb> Good
02:36:06 <Psychephylax> Nope...
02:36:36 <davb> If you go to the APM and select a package, go to manage file information.
02:36:42 <davb> It shows a list of all the files in your package
02:36:42 <Psychephylax> right...
02:36:49 <Psychephylax> yes I am aware of that
02:36:55 <davb> If you click on watch it will reload the file every time it changes.
02:37:02 <Psychephylax> oh
02:37:04 <Psychephylax> very cool
02:37:10 <Psychephylax> I'll set that up at work on Wed
02:37:15 <Psychephylax> * Psychephylax is taking tomorrow off ;)
02:37:17 <davb> You have to re-watch stuff when you restart the server
02:37:24 <Psychephylax> oh
02:37:30 <Psychephylax> reload does the same..no?
02:37:45 <Psychephylax> That's not very efficient then :/
02:37:50 <davb> yeah, you have to rewatch. I
02:38:07 <davb> Its not perfect, but handy.  Eventually I think it will be able to "stick"
02:38:44 <Psychephylax> heh
02:38:50 <Psychephylax> Reload does the same thing tho
02:41:27 <Psychephylax> it's weird
02:42:05 <Psychephylax> Like I am not American...and before Tuesday I was not as attached to this place as I am now
02:42:11 <davb> yeah.
02:42:27 <Psychephylax> I got my little flag on the back of my car :/
02:42:28 <davb> reload a tcl file? watch reloads it every time it changes..
02:43:14 <Psychephylax> well, I don't know, I _just_ started doing ADP/TCL
02:43:25 <Psychephylax> It was mostly SQL/Oracle stuff before
02:44:31 <davb> aha.
02:44:55 <Psychephylax> ¿
02:45:01 <davb> I have a problem with my TCL file. I hate this. It says a proc doesn't exist, which means I stuck a quote or bracket in the wrong spot somewhere...
02:45:12 <Psychephylax> oh boy! Fun
02:45:22 <Psychephylax> Use XEmacs...It shows you brace completion
02:46:00 <davb> I have emacs 20. Its really cool! 
02:46:36 <davb> It even includes an emacs psychiatrist!
02:46:50 <davb> or 21 whatever the new version is. 
02:47:20 <Psychephylax> Xemacs or emacs?
02:47:23 <Psychephylax> I like XEmacs more
02:47:43 <davb> emacs.
02:48:00 <davb> I learned emacs first and the little things always bugged me in xemacs.
02:49:01 <davb> crap. I have two tcl library files with the same name. I thin thats whats wrong!
02:49:21 <davb> s/thin/think
02:50:32 <davb> nope! 
02:50:34 <Psychephylax> :)
02:53:25 <davb> I might have to add them to the .info file...
02:53:39 <Psychephylax> hrm
02:53:41 <Psychephylax> I don't get it
02:53:54 <Psychephylax> I can't view pictures uploaded up to the server
02:54:08 <davb> thats not right...
02:54:58 <Psychephylax> ok
02:55:03 <Psychephylax> this is even more messed up
02:55:34 <Psychephylax> hmmm
02:55:42 <Psychephylax> any file I upload doesn't show up right
02:55:48 <davb> thats not good...
02:56:29 <davb> weird. I'll have to check tomorrow... later
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05:09:15 <wtem> i've got one last pl-pgsql function to port (i know, i know late in the game)
05:09:33 <wtem> any one around to help me debug?
05:11:26 <wtem> guess not...
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06:35:37 <andyn> anyone able/willing to help me out?
06:40:41 <andyn> sorry i got it
06:40:46 <andyn> stupid mistake on my part
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13:41:39 <davb> OK. I added a tcl file to a package, but it does not seem to be loaded at server startup.
13:42:19 <davb> I made sure the tcl file and xql file are in the package.info file.
14:30:23 <davb> Weird. FOr some reason the tcl files I created dont have execute permission even for the file owner. The other files I created DO have execute.
14:31:54 <davb> didn't help though...