00:37:39 loggy has joined #openacs 00:37:39 topic is: OpenACS: Free web toolkit | http://openacs.org 00:37:39 Users on #openacs: loggy chump abbaJ shagster_ rbm KarlL GEM AaronSw 00:37:39 This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ and blogged: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog 00:53:38 davb has joined #OpenACS 01:10:42 ARGH! Why doesn't ALSA work with my Soundblaster. THis is a big pain! 01:49:32 Disconnected from irc.openprojects.net (ERROR :Closing Link: loggy[xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net] by carter.openprojects.net (Ping timeout for loggy[xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net])) 01:49:55 loggy has joined #openacs 01:49:55 topic is: OpenACS: Free web toolkit | http://openacs.org 01:49:55 Users on #openacs: loggy davb chump abbaJ shagster_ rbm KarlL AaronSw GEM 01:49:55 This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ and blogged: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog 02:32:45 davb has quit 02:39:50 gnatcam has joined #openacs 03:00:59 davb: turn off pnp os in the bios if it's on 03:01:04 that almost always fixes the problem 03:11:18 replay for loggy: 03:11:19 Cool. I emailed a local paper to see if they had RSS feeds and the webmaster checked out my web site. She noticed I am using OpenACS and asked about the future of ACS. I gave a little info on how OpenACS is taking over Tcl development and supporting Oracle and Postgresql. 04:13:55 q: what method do people use to debug long pgSQL statements? 04:28:39 It's hard to debug PL/pgSQL 04:31:40 pgaccess is helpful on that. 04:31:51 I remember seeing some tool that would make it easier 04:31:53 (to debug) 04:32:05 cut from tcl/sql pages, paste into pgaccess 04:32:07 ? 04:33:00 ?? 04:33:13 * rbm lights rjr and nafai on fire 04:33:19 I mean, 04:33:29 * rbm lights gnatcam on fire 04:33:38 * rbm has a pyromania tonight :) 04:33:59 is there a log or a setting to create the log? 04:34:20 I mean a log for the pgsql sent to postgres 04:35:22 You can output stuff to the log via the RAISE statement 04:35:43 RAISE NOTICE ''foobar = %'', avariable; 04:36:34 okay. 04:38:49 what about a log on the tcl side? I'm familiar with the logging functions, but is there a setting to enable this? 04:39:03 You mean PL/Tcl? 04:39:11 Enable what? 04:39:54 can you set a param in the nsd.tcl file that causes all pgSQL sent to db_exec_plsql to be put in a log? 04:41:19 You can set the "Verbose On" parameter on the database pools settings 04:44:20 thanks rbm. i'll give it a shot 04:44:26 gnatcam has left #openacs 05:30:59 talli has joined #openacs 05:31:05 hey gusy 05:31:10 rbm, you there? 05:37:02 GEM has quit 05:37:28 Disconnected from irc.openprojects.net (ERROR :Closing Link: loggy[xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net] by niven.openprojects.net (Ping timeout for loggy[xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net])) 05:37:31 loggy_1 has joined #openacs 05:37:31 topic is: OpenACS: Free web toolkit | http://openacs.org 05:37:31 Users on #openacs: loggy_1 GEM_ talli loggy chump abbaJ shagster_ rbm KarlL GEM AaronSw 05:37:31 This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ and blogged: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog 05:41:45 GEM has quit 05:41:45 loggy has quit 05:41:45 abbaJ has quit 05:41:45 talli has quit 05:45:36 abbaJ has joined #openacs 06:09:47 PascalS has joined #openacs 06:09:53 mornin 06:14:35 PascalS has quit 07:09:04 abbaJ has quit 07:09:04 AaronSw has quit 07:09:04 GEM_ has quit 07:09:04 KarlL has quit 07:09:13 Disconnected from irc.openprojects.net (Connection reset by peer) 07:09:22 loggy has joined #openacs 07:09:22 topic is: OpenACS: Free web toolkit | http://openacs.org 07:09:22 Users on #openacs: loggy abbaJ GEM_ KarlL AaronSw 07:09:22 This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ and blogged: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog 07:10:20 chump has joined #openacs 08:17:37 Disconnected from irc.openprojects.net (ERROR :Closing Link: loggy[xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net] by carter.openprojects.net (Ping timeout for loggy[xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net])) 08:17:53 loggy has joined #openacs 08:17:53 topic is: OpenACS: Free web toolkit | http://openacs.org 08:17:53 Users on #openacs: loggy chump abbaJ GEM_ KarlL AaronSw 08:17:53 This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ and blogged: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog 08:20:54 Disconnected from irc.openprojects.net (ERROR :Closing Link: loggy[xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net] by benford.openprojects.net (Ping timeout for loggy[xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net])) 08:21:17 loggy has joined #openacs 08:21:17 topic is: OpenACS: Free web toolkit | http://openacs.org 08:21:17 Users on #openacs: loggy chump abbaJ GEM_ KarlL AaronSw 08:21:17 This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ and blogged: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog 12:52:05 AaronSw has quit 12:53:23 davb has joined #openacs 12:55:22 thanks aabJ. I found your advice in the log. 13:25:23 Cool. safari.oreilly.com has books from other publishers besides oreilly now. 13:26:32 http://www.oreilly.com/news/safari_announce_0901.html 13:26:32 A: http://www.oreilly.com/news/safari_announce_0901.html from davb 13:26:50 A:|Safari Tech Books Online: 13:26:50 titled item A 13:26:51 It's O'Reilly and the Best of the Rest 13:27:02 A: It's O'Reilly and the Best of the Rest 13:27:03 commented item A 13:27:14 A: "O'Reilly & Associates is pleased to announce the formation of a joint venture with the Pearson Technology Group, a division of Pearson Education, to produce Safari Tech Books Online." 13:27:14 commented item A 13:28:32 A: Now it looks like this will be a great service. O'Reilly's XSLT book is not in there yet though 13:28:33 commented item A 13:28:58 A: I hope they will keep adding the new O'Reilly titles as they are published. 13:28:58 commented item A 13:55:44 AaronSw has joined #openacs 14:06:55 shagster_ has joined #openacs 14:08:11 Hi AaronSw 14:08:50 markd2 has joined #openacs 14:09:52 hi markd2 14:12:07 greetings 14:13:32 AaronSw has quit 14:18:42 AaronSw has joined #openacs 14:19:50 * davb adds more books to his Amazon wish list 14:26:03 AaronSw have you ever used XMLRPC in AOLserver with Meerkat? Someone is asking questions on the XMLRPC list. 14:30:00 never mind... 14:31:35 rbm has joined #openacs 14:31:39 moo 14:31:48 móò 14:32:14 hmm.. wonder if you can have accented characters in the nick 14:32:15 markd2 is now known as m 14:32:19 m is now known as markd2 14:32:22 guess not 14:34:24 yeah 14:36:25 what's new? 14:40:45 nammach 14:41:27 Is that hebrew? :) 14:41:46 I should go grab a coke or something before my next class... 14:42:48 Since I had no bfast before coming to the 7:30 class, I was tempted to buy one of those frozen vending machien foods and heat it up in the microwave, but the biologist in me didn't let me. 14:42:58 heh 14:43:05 at aol we called those 'the wheel of death' 14:43:18 Hehehe. Very appropriate. 14:44:31 I just thought of how many conservants and preservatives were added to those f00ds 14:45:10 you mean how little food was added to those preservatives, don't you? 14:45:17 Heheh. 14:45:42 heh 14:45:54 I was in college when 'soft batch' cookies came out 14:46:01 we carved the date in the back of one and put it on a shelf 14:46:04 What are those? 14:46:12 cookies that remain soft 14:46:15 oh 14:46:21 supposedly 'like right out of the oven' 14:46:24 6 months later, it was still soft 14:46:27 and the scary thing was 14:46:32 *nothing* had grown on it 14:46:32 kinda like a twinkie 14:46:39 and this was in a guys dorm 14:46:57 Holy macro 14:47:11 Ever see "the family guy" end of the world edisode? There was a huge twinkie factory that was the only thing that survived 14:47:19 LOL 14:47:31 I can't believe that Twinkies longevity is actually used in its marketing. And people buy into it! 14:49:29 I remember my gastroenterology class in med school. We spent a good portion of the class analyzing north american eating/food habits and the reasons for the highest incidence of colon cancer being in the U.S. 14:50:28 yeah 14:50:30 AaronSw has quit 14:50:44 Run AaronSw! Run! 14:50:54 Andrew Weil has a good book that analyzes the american diet from a chemical / "nutritional" point of view 14:51:01 maybe Aaro nran out of twinkies 14:51:51 Hmmm. 30 Mins for my "Advanced Object-Oriented Software Development" class. 14:52:59 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0395977894/qid=1000479250/sr=2-1/107-3206142-0797318 14:52:59 B: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0395977894/qid=1000479250/sr=2-1/107-3206142-0797318 from davb 14:53:06 B:|Fast Food Nation 14:53:06 titled item B 14:53:34 stop. you're making me hungry 14:54:21 B: The Dark Side of the All-American Meal 14:54:21 commented item B 14:54:32 sorry 14:54:46 * davb hand markd2 a twinkie 14:55:08 * markd2 puts it in a safe-deposit box, for after the apocolypse 14:55:17 "n] 14:55:52 "Eater beware: forget your concerns about cholesterol, there is--literally--feces in your meat." 14:56:19 that's what gives McDogDoos that special flavor 14:57:26 rbm: where is that frm? 14:57:37 A quote from the book URL you posted 14:58:53 When I first moved into the U.S., the all-ready, quick, fast food was very appealing since I was so busy. After about a month I stopped and thought about what I was doing... 14:59:07 I didn't read that part... I will read that book though 14:59:40 Then went back to actually cooking my meals, like I did in Brazil. 15:00:29 To cut back on time I spent cooking, I reading about freezing techniques. So I cook more than I need, then freeze the excess. 15:00:42 s/reading/read/ 15:01:06 I better head toward the CS building. 15:01:10 bbl 15:15:36 Psychephylax has joined #openacs 15:15:40 morning 15:18:00 hiya 15:18:46 hi 15:23:27 I still do not know what this constraint is doing 15:23:46 which constraint? 15:24:14 ORA-00001: unique constraint (MYOPENACS.ACS_OBJECT_TYPES_PK) violated 15:24:14 ORA-06512: at "MYOPENACS.ACS_OBJECT_TYPE", line 28 15:24:22 what don't you understand? 15:24:30 Why it's complaining 15:24:32 I mean 15:24:40 do you know what kind of constraint it is? 15:24:45 I looked at Vinods code and his doesn't crap out 15:24:47 do you know what kind of constraint it is? 15:25:16 it's saying that there's a 2nd copy of ACS_OBJECT_TYPES_PK 15:25:19 or something of that sort 15:25:24 do you know what kind of constraint it is? 15:25:25 but I rolled the db so it shouldn't have a copy 15:25:32 do you know what kind of constraint it is? 15:25:33 It looks like you are trying to put a duplicate primary key in acs_object_type 15:27:13 I'm looking 15:27:18 but can't find a problem 15:27:28 its a primary key contrainst "constraint acs_object_types_pk primary key" 15:27:58 Psychephylax: are you trying to create a new ACS_OBJECT when it fails? 15:28:04 yes 15:28:31 Or rather a new ACS_OBJECT_TYPE 15:28:56 yep 15:29:06 And I only have one primary key reference at all 15:29:08 incident_idinteger 15:29:08 constraint incidents_incident_id_fk 15:29:08 references acs_objects(object_id) 15:29:08 constraint incidents_incident_id_pk 15:29:08 primary key, 15:29:14 OK. the object_type is the primary key. 15:29:31 what do you mean 15:29:58 No. It looks like its saying your are trying to create an acs_object_type with the same object_type of one that already exists. 15:30:08 ok 15:30:13 lemme try something than 15:30:34 I'm gonna prefix snmp_(stuph) here so it's no conflicting for sure 15:30:42 bbiab 15:47:56 ummm 15:48:29 ok, would creation_date in acs_objects.creation_date%TYPE be left alone or fixed with snmp_ prefixes 15:49:21 That is defining the TYPE referencing the column type in acs_objects. 15:51:05 hmmm 15:51:07 * Psychephylax tries something 15:51:44 Do this: 15:52:01 select object_type from acs_object_types; 15:52:16 see if your object_type you are trying to create is already in there. 16:18:03 yeah there is 16:18:11 is there a way to get more info about an object? 16:19:15 sure select * from abs_object_types where object_type='the_offending_object_type'; 16:20:59 heh 16:21:03 it doesn't have much info in there at all 16:21:27 Is it an object_type that your created? Or a built in one? 16:22:21 I can't tell that's the problem 16:22:25 I'll know for sure 16:22:33 I just modified my stuff to be snmp_incident 16:23:18 AHA! 16:23:24 * Psychephylax dances around his desk 16:23:52 Don't try to create that type again or you'll get the same error. 16:23:58 ORA-00001: unique constraint (MYOPENACS.ACS_OBJ_TYPES_PRETTY_NAME_UN) violated 16:24:18 Dave, that's what I thought originally 16:24:34 but I dropped the db on wed and it still gave me that error on the first run of my script 16:24:34 You are getting a different error?? 16:24:38 yeah 16:24:47 so....this leads me to believe that incident was probably used 16:24:58 w00t :) 16:30:15 talli has joined #openacs 16:30:22 Hi talli. 16:30:26 hey dave 16:30:33 got a qeustion for ya 16:30:40 OK 16:30:56 hey talli 16:30:58 in debian (actually i gave up on debian and installed progeny) where the hell is the linux source? 16:31:01 hey psyce 16:31:07 You need to get it. 16:31:08 probably in /usr/src 16:31:17 heh 16:31:19 huh? 16:31:20 apt-get kernel-source-2.2.19 or whatever version you want. 16:31:27 You also need kernel-headers 16:31:27 oh chirst. 16:31:33 Hold on... 16:31:43 my prob is that i'm trying to set up the networking 16:31:49 i need to update my frivers 16:31:51 drivers 16:32:02 * Psychephylax needs to hack his drop script now 16:32:18 http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html 16:32:18 C: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html from davb 16:32:25 ok 16:32:30 i'll have to try that later. 16:32:42 right now i'm having real trouble getting my system to work 16:32:54 Anyway. Are your network drivers supplied with the kernel? 16:33:01 C:|Debian and the Kernel 16:33:01 titled item C 16:33:02 i don't think so 16:33:17 unless i'm screwing up the networking 16:33:21 Aha. You might have to download them seperately and compile and install the module 16:33:40 ok, my other question is... 16:33:46 w00t 16:33:57 i downloaded and burned a couple of .deb packages onto a cd 16:34:01 Now I just need to fix my package :) 16:34:13 OK. 16:34:21 you want to install them? 16:34:22 i would like to install them, but i can't figure out how to get apt-get to recognize them on the cd 16:34:28 when i do apt-cdrom add 16:34:37 it doesn't recognize the cd i burned them onto 16:34:47 although i know they are on the cd 16:34:56 I didn;t know there was a apt-cdrom! 16:34:58 should i save them to the harddisk? 16:35:09 I use dpkg -i for packages I downloaded myself. 16:35:19 apt is a front end for dpkg 16:35:19 apt-cdrom adds a cd to the source.list 16:35:27 Aha. 16:35:47 ok, so i should do dpkg -i *.deb? 16:35:56 Is your network built in? or PCMCIA? 16:36:16 i have both 16:36:38 Interesting. I was just wonderng if you knew which chip/card it is. 16:36:39 i have a 3com built in ethernet and a SMC wireless PCMCIA 16:36:55 i don't really know. my docs are in new york. 16:37:05 but it's a dell laptop so i should be able to find it online 16:37:13 anyway, it's the standard net 16:37:15 ORA-00972: identifier is too long 16:37:19 bah! Bah!!!! 16:37:34 when i do ifconfig, it only recognizes the lo interface 16:37:50 with the whole 127.0.0.1 shit. 16:38:08 i tried ifconfig up eth0 and it didn't recognize that interface 16:38:15 Aha. ALl the 3COM stuff should be available with the kernel. You have to select it under networking devices. I am surprised it didn't find it in the install. 16:38:39 Anyone know wtf this means: PLS-00905: object MYOPENACS.SNMP_INCIDENT is invalid 16:39:01 nope 16:39:10 talli: did you do apt-get update after apt-cdrom? 16:39:44 no 16:40:19 aha. After you change sources.list you need to do apt-get update 16:40:26 oh, ok 16:40:28 thanks 16:40:50 how do i select the 3com stuff under networking devices? 16:41:51 That is when you are configuring the kernel (which you haven't done yet.) 16:42:11 what's the longest constraint name you can have in oracle? 16:42:19 oh shit. so i need to configure the kernel. i guess i have to become a hacker now.... 16:42:28 i can get the info i need from that link you suggetsed? 16:42:33 Yes. 16:42:48 Also there is a kernel-howto at www.linuxdoc.org 16:42:56 cool, thanks 16:43:08 Keep your working kernel! So you can go back. 16:43:44 no problem. 16:43:53 Psychephylax: probably one shorter than the name you selected :) 16:44:02 ummm 16:44:03 right :P 16:44:17 but I have longer ones 16:44:20 And it doesn't complain 16:44:27 talli has quit 16:44:47 Check your manuals. Oracle error messages are a pain. 16:44:56 0/0 PL/SQL: Compilation unit analysis terminated 16:44:57 1/14 PLS-00905: object MYOPENACS.SNMP_INCIDENT is invalid 16:45:00 Man 16:45:13 I forgot my dead tree book at home 16:45:19 but I have it on cd here 16:46:10 odd 16:46:14 says something about permissions 16:51:28 doh 16:51:32 I confuzzled myself 17:55:20 AaronSw has joined #openacs 18:01:09 Hi AaronSw 18:01:28 Hi there 18:04:29 Woohooo 18:04:34 I got rid of some problems 18:04:36 but more exist 18:04:37 :( 18:05:01 isn't that always how it is 18:05:11 Its progress anyway :) 18:05:49 yeah 18:05:54 but I don't know wtf it's telling me 18:05:56 stupid oracle 18:06:37 what's the error? 18:08:28 PLS-00905 18:08:43 3/2 PL/SQL: Declaration ignored 18:08:43 4/18 PLS-00905: object MYOPENACS.SNMP_INCIDENTS is invalid 18:09:50 LOL: 18:09:50 Label LOL not found. 18:09:52 http://wmf.editthispage.com/discuss/msgReader$5694 18:09:58 http://wmf.editthispage.com/discuss/msgReader$5694 18:09:58 D: http://wmf.editthispage.com/discuss/msgReader$5694 from AaronSw 18:10:02 * markd2 suggests reading some oracle docs. maybe doing a googl search on the error 18:10:14 D:|only outlaws will have flight simulators 18:10:14 titled item D 18:10:33 D:very funny 18:10:33 commented item D 18:10:56 I did a google search 18:11:01 * markd2 also suggests asktom.oracle.com 18:11:02 Sifting through results now 18:11:11 there's a search there too 18:11:57 wooohooo 18:11:59 0 results 18:12:02 which looks like is currently broken 18:12:49 PLS-00905: object 'name' is invalid 18:12:50 Cause: 18:12:50 You referenced an invalid package specification or stored subprogram. A package specification or 18:12:50 stored subprogram is invalid if its source code or any database object it references has been 18:12:50 DROPped, REPLACEd, or ALTERed since it was last compiled. 18:12:50 Action: 18:12:52 Find out what invalidated the package specification or stored subprogram, then make sure that 18:13:07 sounds like you have your answer there 18:14:29 ORACLE can recompile it without errors. 18:14:51 heh 18:15:00 If i knew what it was talking about then yeah :P 18:15:36 Is there a way to delete an object? 18:16:01 * rbm steals mike's coke 18:16:04 ehh 18:16:20 hey roberto 18:17:52 hi 18:37:24 bartt has joined #openacs 18:37:59 Question: how do I disable the QD_LOGGER? 18:39:45 I think I've seen that answered in the openacs bboards 18:40:08 That's what I thought but I couldn't find it. 18:40:17 I can't remember how 18:43:51 bartt has quit 18:44:49 rbm has quit 18:45:31 it seems to never be answered here: http://openacs.org/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0002Te&topic_id=12&topic=OpenACS%204%2e0%20Design 18:46:48 this is what ben said "I made a mistake a few commits ago and switched QD logging to Notice instead of Debug. I committed again yesterday switching QD logging back to Debug. Try getting the latest QD files from CVS" 18:47:19 Is there a way to set the logging level in the tcl config file? 18:49:44 Disconnected from irc.openprojects.net (ERROR :Closing Link: loggy[xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net] by forward.openprojects.net (Ping timeout for loggy[xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net])) 18:49:50 loggy has joined #openacs 18:49:50 Users on #openacs: loggy AaronSw Psychephylax markd2 shagster_ davb chump KarlL GEM_ abbaJ 18:49:50 This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ and blogged: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog 18:49:57 woo hoo! 18:50:21 dang. now I'll have to stop insuldting Vinod's hairstyle 18:52:27 rbm has joined #openacs 18:53:35 wow Amazon's Red Cross collection is almost 5 million dollars 18:57:13 bartt has joined #openacs 18:57:44