IRC log of openacs on 2001-09-14
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- 01:10:42 [davb]
 - ARGH! Why doesn't ALSA work with my Soundblaster. THis is a big pain!
 
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- 03:00:59 [abbaJ]
 - davb:  turn off pnp os in the bios if it's on
 
- 03:01:04 [abbaJ]
 - that almost always fixes the problem
 
- 03:11:18 [AaronSw]
 - replay for loggy:
 
- 03:11:19 [AaronSw]
 - <davb> Cool. I emailed a local paper to see if they had RSS feeds and the webmaster checked out my web site. She noticed I am using OpenACS and asked about the future of ACS.  I gave a little info on how OpenACS is taking over Tcl development and supporting Oracle and Postgresql.
 
- 04:13:55 [gnatcam]
 - q: what method  do people use to debug long pgSQL statements?
 
- 04:28:39 [rbm]
 - It's hard to debug PL/pgSQL
 
- 04:31:40 [rbm]
 - pgaccess is helpful on that.
 
- 04:31:51 [rbm]
 - I remember seeing some tool that would make it easier
 
- 04:31:53 [rbm]
 - (to debug)
 
- 04:32:05 [gnatcam]
 - cut from tcl/sql pages, paste into pgaccess
 
- 04:32:07 [gnatcam]
 - ?
 
- 04:33:00 [rbm]
 - ??
 
- 04:33:13 [rbm]
 - * rbm lights rjr and nafai on fire
 
- 04:33:19 [rbm]
 - I mean, 
 
- 04:33:29 [rbm]
 - * rbm lights gnatcam on fire
 
- 04:33:38 [rbm]
 - * rbm has a pyromania tonight :)
 
- 04:33:59 [gnatcam]
 - is there a log or a setting to create the log?
 
- 04:34:20 [gnatcam]
 - I mean a log for the pgsql sent to postgres
 
- 04:35:22 [rbm]
 - You can output stuff to the log via the RAISE statement
 
- 04:35:43 [rbm]
 - RAISE NOTICE ''foobar = %'', avariable;
 
- 04:36:34 [gnatcam]
 - okay.
 
- 04:38:49 [gnatcam]
 - what about a log on the tcl side?  I'm familiar with the logging functions,  but is there a setting to enable this?
 
- 04:39:03 [rbm]
 - You mean PL/Tcl?
 
- 04:39:11 [rbm]
 - Enable what?
 
- 04:39:54 [gnatcam]
 - can you set a param in the nsd.tcl file that causes all pgSQL sent to db_exec_plsql to be put in a log?
 
- 04:41:19 [rbm]
 - You can set the "Verbose  On" parameter on the database pools settings
 
- 04:44:20 [gnatcam]
 - thanks rbm.  i'll give it a shot
 
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- 05:31:05 [talli]
 - hey gusy
 
- 05:31:10 [talli]
 - rbm, you there?
 
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 - mornin
 
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- 12:55:22 [davb]
 - thanks aabJ. I found your advice in the log.
 
- 13:25:23 [davb]
 - Cool. safari.oreilly.com has books from other publishers besides oreilly now.
 
- 13:26:32 [davb]
 - http://www.oreilly.com/news/safari_announce_0901.html
 
- 13:26:32 [chump]
 - A: http://www.oreilly.com/news/safari_announce_0901.html from davb
 
- 13:26:50 [davb]
 - A:|Safari Tech Books Online:
 
- 13:26:50 [chump]
 - titled item A
 
- 13:26:51 [davb]
 - It's O'Reilly and the Best of the Rest
 
- 13:27:02 [davb]
 - A:  It's O'Reilly and the Best of the Rest
 
- 13:27:03 [chump]
 - commented item A
 
- 13:27:14 [davb]
 - A: "O'Reilly & Associates is pleased to announce the formation of a joint venture with the Pearson Technology Group, a division of Pearson Education, to produce Safari Tech Books Online."
 
- 13:27:14 [chump]
 - commented item A
 
- 13:28:32 [davb]
 - A: Now it looks like this will be a great service. O'Reilly's XSLT book is not in there yet though
 
- 13:28:33 [chump]
 - commented item A
 
- 13:28:58 [davb]
 - A: I hope they will keep adding the new O'Reilly titles as they are published.
 
- 13:28:58 [chump]
 - commented item A
 
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- 14:08:11 [davb]
 - Hi AaronSw
 
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- 14:09:52 [davb]
 - hi markd2
 
- 14:12:07 [markd2]
 - greetings
 
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- 14:19:50 [davb]
 - * davb adds more books to his Amazon wish list
 
- 14:26:03 [davb]
 - AaronSw have you ever used XMLRPC in AOLserver with Meerkat? Someone is asking questions on the XMLRPC list.
 
- 14:30:00 [davb]
 - never mind...
 
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- 14:31:39 [rbm]
 - moo
 
- 14:31:48 [markd2]
 - móò
 
- 14:32:14 [markd2]
 - hmm.. wonder if you can have accented characters in the nick
 
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 - markd2 is now known as m
 
- 14:32:19 [m]
 - m is now known as markd2
 
- 14:32:22 [markd2]
 - guess not
 
- 14:34:24 [rbm]
 - yeah
 
- 14:36:25 [rbm]
 - what's new?
 
- 14:40:45 [markd2]
 - nammach
 
- 14:41:27 [rbm]
 - Is that hebrew? :)
 
- 14:41:46 [rbm]
 - I should go grab a coke or something before my next class...
 
- 14:42:48 [rbm]
 - Since I had no bfast before coming to the 7:30 class, I was tempted to buy one of those frozen vending machien foods and heat it up in the microwave, but the biologist in me didn't let me.
 
- 14:42:58 [markd2]
 - heh
 
- 14:43:05 [markd2]
 - at aol we called those 'the wheel of death'
 
- 14:43:18 [rbm]
 - Hehehe. Very appropriate.
 
- 14:44:31 [rbm]
 - I just thought of how many conservants and preservatives were added to those f00ds
 
- 14:45:10 [davb]
 - you mean how little food was added to those preservatives, don't you?
 
- 14:45:17 [rbm]
 - Heheh.
 
- 14:45:42 [markd2]
 - heh
 
- 14:45:54 [markd2]
 - I was in college when 'soft batch' cookies came out
 
- 14:46:01 [markd2]
 - we carved the date in the back of one and put it on a shelf
 
- 14:46:04 [rbm]
 - What are those?
 
- 14:46:12 [markd2]
 - cookies that remain soft
 
- 14:46:15 [rbm]
 - oh
 
- 14:46:21 [markd2]
 - supposedly 'like right out of the oven'
 
- 14:46:24 [markd2]
 - 6 months later, it was still soft
 
- 14:46:27 [markd2]
 - and the scary thing was
 
- 14:46:32 [markd2]
 - *nothing* had grown on it
 
- 14:46:32 [davb]
 - kinda like a twinkie
 
- 14:46:39 [markd2]
 - and this was in a guys dorm
 
- 14:46:57 [rbm]
 - Holy macro
 
- 14:47:11 [davb]
 - Ever see "the family guy" end of the world edisode? There was a huge twinkie factory that was the only thing that survived
 
- 14:47:19 [markd2]
 - LOL
 
- 14:47:31 [rbm]
 - I can't believe that Twinkies longevity is actually used in its marketing. And people buy into it!
 
- 14:49:29 [rbm]
 - I remember my gastroenterology class in med school. We spent a good portion of the class analyzing north american eating/food habits and the reasons for the highest incidence of colon cancer being in the U.S.
 
- 14:50:28 [markd2]
 - yeah
 
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- 14:50:44 [rbm]
 - Run AaronSw! Run!
 
- 14:50:54 [markd2]
 - Andrew Weil has a good book that analyzes the american diet from a chemical / "nutritional" point of view
 
- 14:51:01 [markd2]
 - maybe Aaro nran out of twinkies
 
- 14:51:51 [rbm]
 - Hmmm. 30 Mins for my "Advanced Object-Oriented Software Development" class.
 
- 14:52:59 [davb]
 - http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0395977894/qid=1000479250/sr=2-1/107-3206142-0797318
 
- 14:52:59 [chump]
 - B: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0395977894/qid=1000479250/sr=2-1/107-3206142-0797318 from davb
 
- 14:53:06 [davb]
 - B:|Fast Food Nation
 
- 14:53:06 [chump]
 - titled item B
 
- 14:53:34 [markd2]
 - stop.  you're making me hungry
 
- 14:54:21 [davb]
 - B: The Dark Side of the All-American Meal
 
- 14:54:21 [chump]
 - commented item B
 
- 14:54:32 [davb]
 - sorry
 
- 14:54:46 [davb]
 - * davb hand markd2 a twinkie
 
- 14:55:08 [markd2]
 - * markd2 puts it in a safe-deposit box, for after the apocolypse
 
- 14:55:17 [rbm]
 - "n]
 
- 14:55:52 [rbm]
 - "Eater beware: forget your concerns about cholesterol, there is--literally--feces in your meat."
 
- 14:56:19 [markd2]
 - that's what gives McDogDoos that special flavor
 
- 14:57:26 [davb]
 - rbm: where is that frm?
 
- 14:57:37 [rbm]
 - A quote from the book URL you posted 
 
- 14:58:53 [rbm]
 - When I first moved into the U.S., the all-ready, quick, fast food was very appealing since I was so busy. After about a month I stopped and thought about what I was doing...
 
- 14:59:07 [davb]
 - I didn't read that part... I will read that book though
 
- 14:59:40 [rbm]
 - Then went back to actually cooking my meals, like I did in Brazil. 
 
- 15:00:29 [rbm]
 - To cut back on time I spent cooking, I reading about freezing techniques. So I cook more than I need, then freeze the excess.
 
- 15:00:42 [rbm]
 - s/reading/read/
 
- 15:01:06 [rbm]
 - I better head toward the CS building.
 
- 15:01:10 [rbm]
 - bbl
 
- 15:15:36 [Psychephylax]
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- 15:15:40 [Psychephylax]
 - morning
 
- 15:18:00 [markd2]
 - hiya
 
- 15:18:46 [davb]
 - hi
 
- 15:23:27 [Psychephylax]
 - I still do not know what this constraint is doing
 
- 15:23:46 [markd2]
 - which constraint?
 
- 15:24:14 [Psychephylax]
 - ORA-00001: unique constraint (MYOPENACS.ACS_OBJECT_TYPES_PK) violated
 
- 15:24:14 [Psychephylax]
 - ORA-06512: at "MYOPENACS.ACS_OBJECT_TYPE", line 28
 
- 15:24:22 [markd2]
 - what don't you understand?
 
- 15:24:30 [Psychephylax]
 - Why it's complaining
 
- 15:24:32 [Psychephylax]
 - I mean
 
- 15:24:40 [markd2]
 - do you know what kind of constraint it is?
 
- 15:24:45 [Psychephylax]
 - I looked at Vinods code and his doesn't crap out
 
- 15:24:47 [markd2]
 - do you know what kind of constraint it is?
 
- 15:25:16 [Psychephylax]
 - it's saying that there's a 2nd copy of ACS_OBJECT_TYPES_PK
 
- 15:25:19 [Psychephylax]
 - or something of that sort
 
- 15:25:24 [markd2]
 - do you know what kind of constraint it is?
 
- 15:25:25 [Psychephylax]
 - but I rolled the db so it shouldn't have a copy
 
- 15:25:32 [markd2]
 - do you know what kind of constraint it is?
 
- 15:25:33 [davb]
 - It looks like you are trying to put a duplicate primary key in acs_object_type
 
- 15:27:13 [Psychephylax]
 - I'm looking
 
- 15:27:18 [Psychephylax]
 - but can't find a problem
 
- 15:27:28 [davb]
 - its a primary key contrainst "constraint acs_object_types_pk primary key"
 
- 15:27:58 [davb]
 - Psychephylax: are you trying to create a new ACS_OBJECT when it fails?
 
- 15:28:04 [Psychephylax]
 - yes
 
- 15:28:31 [davb]
 - Or rather a new ACS_OBJECT_TYPE
 
- 15:28:56 [Psychephylax]
 - yep
 
- 15:29:06 [Psychephylax]
 - And I only have one primary key reference at all
 
- 15:29:08 [Psychephylax]
 - incident_idinteger 
 
- 15:29:08 [Psychephylax]
 - constraint incidents_incident_id_fk
 
- 15:29:08 [Psychephylax]
 - references acs_objects(object_id)
 
- 15:29:08 [Psychephylax]
 - constraint incidents_incident_id_pk
 
- 15:29:08 [Psychephylax]
 - primary key,
 
- 15:29:14 [davb]
 - OK. the object_type is the primary key.
 
- 15:29:31 [Psychephylax]
 - what do you mean
 
- 15:29:58 [davb]
 - No. It looks like its saying your are trying to create an acs_object_type with the same object_type of one that already exists.
 
- 15:30:08 [Psychephylax]
 - ok
 
- 15:30:13 [Psychephylax]
 - lemme try something than
 
- 15:30:34 [Psychephylax]
 - I'm gonna prefix snmp_(stuph) here so it's no conflicting for sure
 
- 15:30:42 [Psychephylax]
 - bbiab
 
- 15:47:56 [Psychephylax]
 - ummm
 
- 15:48:29 [Psychephylax]
 - ok, would creation_date in acs_objects.creation_date%TYPE be left alone or fixed with snmp_ prefixes
 
- 15:49:21 [davb]
 - That is defining the TYPE referencing the column type in acs_objects.
 
- 15:51:05 [Psychephylax]
 - hmmm
 
- 15:51:07 [Psychephylax]
 - * Psychephylax tries something
 
- 15:51:44 [davb]
 - Do this:
 
- 15:52:01 [davb]
 - select object_type from acs_object_types;
 
- 15:52:16 [davb]
 - see if your object_type you are trying to create is already in there.
 
- 16:18:03 [Psychephylax]
 - yeah there is
 
- 16:18:11 [Psychephylax]
 - is there a way to get more info about an object?
 
- 16:19:15 [davb]
 - sure select * from abs_object_types where object_type='the_offending_object_type';
 
- 16:20:59 [Psychephylax]
 - heh
 
- 16:21:03 [Psychephylax]
 - it doesn't have much info in there at all
 
- 16:21:27 [davb]
 - Is it an object_type that your created? Or a built in one?
 
- 16:22:21 [Psychephylax]
 - I can't tell that's the problem
 
- 16:22:25 [Psychephylax]
 - I'll know for sure
 
- 16:22:33 [Psychephylax]
 - I just modified my stuff to be snmp_incident
 
- 16:23:18 [Psychephylax]
 - AHA!
 
- 16:23:24 [Psychephylax]
 - * Psychephylax dances around his desk 
 
- 16:23:52 [davb]
 - Don't try to create that type again or you'll get the same error.
 
- 16:23:58 [Psychephylax]
 - ORA-00001: unique constraint (MYOPENACS.ACS_OBJ_TYPES_PRETTY_NAME_UN) violated
 
- 16:24:18 [Psychephylax]
 - Dave, that's what I thought originally
 
- 16:24:34 [Psychephylax]
 - but I dropped the db on wed and it still gave me that error on the first run of my script
 
- 16:24:34 [davb]
 - You are getting a different error??
 
- 16:24:38 [Psychephylax]
 - yeah
 
- 16:24:47 [Psychephylax]
 - so....this leads me to believe that incident was probably used
 
- 16:24:58 [Psychephylax]
 - w00t :)
 
- 16:30:15 [talli]
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- 16:30:22 [davb]
 - Hi talli.
 
- 16:30:26 [talli]
 - hey dave
 
- 16:30:33 [talli]
 - got a qeustion for ya
 
- 16:30:40 [davb]
 - OK
 
- 16:30:56 [Psychephylax]
 - hey talli 
 
- 16:30:58 [talli]
 - in debian (actually i gave up on debian and installed progeny) where the hell is the linux source?
 
- 16:31:01 [talli]
 - hey psyce
 
- 16:31:07 [davb]
 - You need to get it.
 
- 16:31:08 [Psychephylax]
 - probably in /usr/src
 
- 16:31:17 [Psychephylax]
 - heh
 
- 16:31:19 [talli]
 - huh?
 
- 16:31:20 [davb]
 - apt-get kernel-source-2.2.19 or whatever version you want.
 
- 16:31:27 [davb]
 - You also need kernel-headers
 
- 16:31:27 [talli]
 - oh chirst.
 
- 16:31:33 [davb]
 - Hold on...
 
- 16:31:43 [talli]
 - my prob is that i'm trying to set up the networking
 
- 16:31:49 [talli]
 - i need to update my frivers
 
- 16:31:51 [talli]
 - drivers
 
- 16:32:02 [Psychephylax]
 - * Psychephylax needs to hack his drop script now
 
- 16:32:18 [davb]
 - http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html
 
- 16:32:18 [chump]
 - C: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html from davb
 
- 16:32:25 [talli]
 - ok
 
- 16:32:30 [talli]
 - i'll have to try that later.
 
- 16:32:42 [talli]
 - right now i'm having real trouble getting my system to work
 
- 16:32:54 [davb]
 - Anyway. Are your network drivers supplied with the kernel?
 
- 16:33:01 [davb]
 - C:|Debian and the Kernel
 
- 16:33:01 [chump]
 - titled item C
 
- 16:33:02 [talli]
 - i don't think so
 
- 16:33:17 [talli]
 - unless i'm screwing up the networking
 
- 16:33:21 [davb]
 - Aha. You might have to download them seperately and compile and install the module
 
- 16:33:40 [talli]
 - ok, my other question is...
 
- 16:33:46 [Psychephylax]
 - w00t
 
- 16:33:57 [talli]
 - i downloaded and burned a couple of .deb packages onto a cd
 
- 16:34:01 [Psychephylax]
 - Now I just need to fix my package :)
 
- 16:34:13 [davb]
 - OK.
 
- 16:34:21 [davb]
 - you want to install them?
 
- 16:34:22 [talli]
 - i would like to install them, but i can't figure out how to get apt-get to recognize them on the cd
 
- 16:34:28 [talli]
 - when i do apt-cdrom add
 
- 16:34:37 [talli]
 - it doesn't recognize the cd i burned them onto
 
- 16:34:47 [talli]
 - although i know they are on the cd
 
- 16:34:56 [davb]
 - I didn;t know there was a apt-cdrom!
 
- 16:34:58 [talli]
 - should i save them to the harddisk?
 
- 16:35:09 [davb]
 - I use dpkg -i for packages I downloaded myself.
 
- 16:35:19 [davb]
 - apt is a front end for dpkg
 
- 16:35:19 [talli]
 - apt-cdrom adds a cd to the source.list
 
- 16:35:27 [davb]
 - Aha. 
 
- 16:35:47 [talli]
 - ok, so i should do dpkg -i *.deb?
 
- 16:35:56 [davb]
 - Is your network built in? or PCMCIA?
 
- 16:36:16 [talli]
 - i have both
 
- 16:36:38 [davb]
 - Interesting. I was just wonderng if you knew which chip/card it is.
 
- 16:36:39 [talli]
 - i have a 3com built in ethernet and a SMC wireless PCMCIA
 
- 16:36:55 [talli]
 - i don't really know. my docs are in new york.
 
- 16:37:05 [talli]
 - but it's a dell laptop so i should be able to find it online
 
- 16:37:13 [talli]
 - anyway, it's the standard net
 
- 16:37:15 [Psychephylax]
 - ORA-00972: identifier is too long
 
- 16:37:19 [Psychephylax]
 - bah! Bah!!!!
 
- 16:37:34 [talli]
 - when i do ifconfig, it only recognizes the lo interface
 
- 16:37:50 [talli]
 - with the whole 127.0.0.1 shit.
 
- 16:38:08 [talli]
 - i tried ifconfig up eth0 and it didn't recognize that interface
 
- 16:38:15 [davb]
 - Aha. ALl the 3COM stuff should be available with the kernel. You have to select it under networking devices. I am surprised it didn't find it in the install.
 
- 16:38:39 [Psychephylax]
 - Anyone know wtf this means: PLS-00905: object MYOPENACS.SNMP_INCIDENT is invalid
 
- 16:39:01 [davb]
 - nope
 
- 16:39:10 [davb]
 - talli: did you do apt-get update after apt-cdrom?
 
- 16:39:44 [talli]
 - no
 
- 16:40:19 [davb]
 - aha. After you change sources.list you need to do apt-get update
 
- 16:40:26 [talli]
 - oh, ok
 
- 16:40:28 [talli]
 - thanks
 
- 16:40:50 [talli]
 - how do i select the 3com stuff under networking devices?
 
- 16:41:51 [davb]
 - That is when you are configuring the kernel (which you haven't done yet.)
 
- 16:42:11 [Psychephylax]
 - what's the longest constraint name you can have in oracle?
 
- 16:42:19 [talli]
 - oh shit. so i need to configure the kernel. i guess i have to become a hacker now....
 
- 16:42:28 [talli]
 - i can get the info i need from that link you suggetsed?
 
- 16:42:33 [davb]
 - Yes. 
 
- 16:42:48 [davb]
 - Also there is a kernel-howto at www.linuxdoc.org
 
- 16:42:56 [talli]
 - cool, thanks
 
- 16:43:08 [davb]
 - Keep your working kernel! So you can go back.
 
- 16:43:44 [davb]
 - no problem.
 
- 16:43:53 [davb]
 - Psychephylax: probably one shorter than the name you selected :)
 
- 16:44:02 [Psychephylax]
 - ummm
 
- 16:44:03 [Psychephylax]
 - right :P
 
- 16:44:17 [Psychephylax]
 - but I have longer ones 
 
- 16:44:20 [Psychephylax]
 - And it doesn't complain
 
- 16:44:27 [talli]
 - talli has quit
 
- 16:44:47 [davb]
 - Check your manuals. Oracle error messages are a pain.
 
- 16:44:56 [Psychephylax]
 - 0/0      PL/SQL: Compilation unit analysis terminated
 
- 16:44:57 [Psychephylax]
 - 1/14     PLS-00905: object MYOPENACS.SNMP_INCIDENT is invalid
 
- 16:45:00 [Psychephylax]
 - Man
 
- 16:45:13 [Psychephylax]
 - I forgot my dead tree book at home
 
- 16:45:19 [Psychephylax]
 - but I have it on cd here
 
- 16:46:10 [Psychephylax]
 - odd
 
- 16:46:14 [Psychephylax]
 - says something about permissions
 
- 16:51:28 [Psychephylax]
 - doh
 
- 16:51:32 [Psychephylax]
 - I confuzzled myself
 
- 17:55:20 [AaronSw]
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- 18:01:09 [davb]
 - Hi AaronSw
 
- 18:01:28 [AaronSw]
 - Hi there
 
- 18:04:29 [Psychephylax]
 - Woohooo
 
- 18:04:34 [Psychephylax]
 - I got rid of some problems
 
- 18:04:36 [Psychephylax]
 - but more exist
 
- 18:04:37 [Psychephylax]
 -  :(
 
- 18:05:01 [AaronSw]
 - isn't that always how it is
 
- 18:05:11 [davb]
 - Its progress anyway :)
 
- 18:05:49 [Psychephylax]
 - yeah 
 
- 18:05:54 [Psychephylax]
 - but I don't know wtf it's telling me
 
- 18:05:56 [Psychephylax]
 - stupid oracle
 
- 18:06:37 [markd2]
 - what's the error?
 
- 18:08:28 [Psychephylax]
 - PLS-00905
 
- 18:08:43 [Psychephylax]
 - 3/2      PL/SQL: Declaration ignored
 
- 18:08:43 [Psychephylax]
 - 4/18     PLS-00905: object MYOPENACS.SNMP_INCIDENTS is invalid
 
- 18:09:50 [AaronSw]
 - LOL:
 
- 18:09:50 [chump]
 - Label LOL not found.
 
- 18:09:52 [AaronSw]
 -  http://wmf.editthispage.com/discuss/msgReader$5694
 
- 18:09:58 [AaronSw]
 - http://wmf.editthispage.com/discuss/msgReader$5694
 
- 18:09:58 [chump]
 - D: http://wmf.editthispage.com/discuss/msgReader$5694 from AaronSw
 
- 18:10:02 [markd2]
 - * markd2 suggests reading some oracle docs.  maybe doing a googl search on the error
 
- 18:10:14 [AaronSw]
 - D:|only outlaws will have flight simulators
 
- 18:10:14 [chump]
 - titled item D
 
- 18:10:33 [AaronSw]
 - D:very funny
 
- 18:10:33 [chump]
 - commented item D
 
- 18:10:56 [Psychephylax]
 - I did a google search
 
- 18:11:01 [markd2]
 - * markd2 also suggests asktom.oracle.com
 
- 18:11:02 [Psychephylax]
 - Sifting through results now
 
- 18:11:11 [markd2]
 - there's a search there too
 
- 18:11:57 [Psychephylax]
 - wooohooo
 
- 18:11:59 [Psychephylax]
 - 0 results
 
- 18:12:02 [markd2]
 - which looks like is currently broken
 
- 18:12:49 [Psychephylax]
 - PLS-00905: object 'name' is invalid
 
- 18:12:50 [Psychephylax]
 -  Cause:
 
- 18:12:50 [Psychephylax]
 -         You referenced an invalid package specification or stored subprogram. A package specification or
 
- 18:12:50 [Psychephylax]
 -         stored subprogram is invalid if its source code or any database object it references has been
 
- 18:12:50 [Psychephylax]
 -         DROPped, REPLACEd, or ALTERed since it was last compiled.
 
- 18:12:50 [Psychephylax]
 -  Action:
 
- 18:12:52 [Psychephylax]
 -         Find out what invalidated the package specification or stored subprogram, then make sure that
 
- 18:13:07 [markd2]
 - sounds like you have your answer there
 
- 18:14:29 [Psychephylax]
 -         ORACLE can recompile it without errors.
 
- 18:14:51 [Psychephylax]
 - heh
 
- 18:15:00 [Psychephylax]
 - If i knew what it was talking about then yeah :P
 
- 18:15:36 [Psychephylax]
 - Is there a way to delete an object?
 
- 18:16:01 [rbm]
 - * rbm steals mike's coke
 
- 18:16:04 [rbm]
 - ehh
 
- 18:16:20 [Psychephylax]
 - hey roberto
 
- 18:17:52 [rbm]
 - hi
 
- 18:37:24 [bartt]
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- 18:37:59 [bartt]
 - Question: how do I disable the QD_LOGGER?
 
- 18:39:45 [rbm]
 - I think I've seen that answered in the openacs bboards
 
- 18:40:08 [bartt]
 - That's what I thought but I couldn't find it.
 
- 18:40:17 [rbm]
 - I can't remember how
 
- 18:43:51 [bartt]
 - bartt has quit
 
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 - rbm has quit
 
- 18:45:31 [davb]
 - it seems to never be answered here: http://openacs.org/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0002Te&topic_id=12&topic=OpenACS%204%2e0%20Design
 
- 18:46:48 [davb]
 - this is what ben said "I made a mistake a few commits ago and switched QD logging to Notice instead of Debug. I committed again yesterday switching QD logging back to Debug. Try getting the latest QD files from CVS"
 
- 18:47:19 [davb]
 - Is there a way to set the logging level in the tcl config file?
 
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- 18:49:50 [niven.openprojects.net]
 - Users on #openacs: loggy AaronSw Psychephylax markd2 shagster_ davb chump KarlL GEM_ abbaJ 
 
- 18:49:50 [ChanServ]
 - This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ and blogged: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog
 
- 18:49:57 [markd2]
 - woo hoo!
 
- 18:50:21 [markd2]
 - dang.  now I'll have to stop insuldting Vinod's hairstyle
 
- 18:52:27 [rbm]
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- 18:53:35 [davb]
 - wow Amazon's Red Cross collection is almost 5 million dollars
 
- 18:57:13 [bartt]
 - bartt has joined #openacs
 
- 18:57:44 [davb]
 - you guys missed my QD log stuff...
 
- 18:57:58 [rbm]
 - davb: TechTV just announced it's only 1.4 million
 
- 18:58:19 [davb]
 - Hmmm... I wonder why it says 4.7 on the web site... rounding error?
 
- 18:59:17 [bartt]
 - bartt has quit
 
- 18:59:51 [davb]
 - still pretty good either way
 
- 19:01:28 [rbm]
 - yeah
 
- 19:01:33 [docwolf]
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- 19:02:26 [rbm]
 - faa.gov says that international flights are allowed to come into the u.s. IFF both the departure airport and airline have passed stepped security measures
 
- 19:02:47 [rbm]
 - s/stepped/stepped up/
 
- 19:03:16 [rbm]
 - hey doc
 
- 19:03:20 [docwolf]
 - hi
 
- 19:04:14 [docwolf]
 - how's everyone doing?
 
- 19:07:00 [davb]
 - ok
 
- 19:09:02 [bartt]
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- 19:14:33 [bartt]
 - Hi all. Does anyone know how to disable the QD_LOGGER? It's generating too many message for me.
 
- 19:14:39 [rbm]
 - rbm has joined #openacs
 
- 19:16:42 [davb]
 - <davb> it seems to never be answered here: http://openacs.org/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0002Te&topic_id=12&topic=OpenACS%204%2e0%20Design
 
- 19:16:43 [davb]
 - 18:46:48 <davb> this is what ben said "I made a mistake a few commits ago and switched QD logging to Notice instead of Debug. I committed again yesterday switching QD logging back to Debug. Try getting the latest QD files from CVS"
 
- 19:16:43 [davb]
 - 18:47:19 <davb> Is there a way to set the logging level in the tcl config file?
 
- 19:19:31 [bartt]
 - I am running today's CVS.
 
- 19:20:25 [davb]
 - OK. If the QD messages are set to DEBUG, you should be able to set your log to ignore everything except Notice and Error I think...
 
- 19:21:06 [bartt]
 - Maybe that I have clear the DB and start from scratch?
 
- 19:21:30 [davb]
 - Aha. Check for ns_param debug  false in your tcl config file maybe...
 
- 19:22:50 [davb]
 - If Ben really set the messages to debug level you should be able to turn them off by that setting.
 
- 19:26:52 [davb]
 - If you used the sample config file from file-storage debug is turned on.
 
- 19:30:13 [bartt]
 - All debug parameters and verbose parameters in my config file are set to Off.
 
- 19:30:24 [bartt]
 - I'll go ahead and start from scratch.
 
- 19:30:37 [davb]
 - ok. sorry it didn't work.
 
- 19:32:59 [bartt]
 - Restarting doesn't help either. I think this a bug.
 
- 19:34:44 [davb]
 - me too.
 
- 19:42:29 [davb]
 - it looks like there are qd log messages still set to Notice level.
 
- 19:43:44 [Psychephylax]
 - I broke it good!
 
- 19:43:50 [Psychephylax]
 - * Psychephylax is proud of himself
 
- 19:47:33 [Psychephylax]
 - I need things that are harder to break
 
- 19:47:53 [davb]
 - Oracle is hard to break...
 
- 19:51:25 [Psychephylax]
 - i broke it
 
- 19:53:02 [davb]
 - You have a unique gift...
 
- 19:53:35 [Psychephylax]
 - thank you
 
- 19:53:37 [Psychephylax]
 - yeah
 
- 19:53:41 [Psychephylax]
 - But I wanna get paid for it
 
- 19:53:50 [Psychephylax]
 - I don't think breaking things is a marketable talent
 
- 19:54:01 [markd2]
 - * markd2 recommends a career in QA
 
- 19:54:31 [Psychephylax]
 - good idea
 
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 - bartt has quit
 
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 - KarlL has quit
 
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- 20:06:48 [davb]
 - http://www.phpbuilder.com/columns/smith20010821.php3
 
- 20:06:49 [chump]
 - E: http://www.phpbuilder.com/columns/smith20010821.php3 from davb
 
- 20:06:58 [davb]
 - E:|Optimizing Postgresql
 
- 20:06:58 [chump]
 - titled item E
 
- 20:13:13 [Psychephylax]
 - Psychephylax has quit
 
- 20:20:43 [rbm]
 - http://www2.linuxjournal.com/lj-issues/issue88/4791.html
 
- 20:20:43 [chump]
 - F: http://www2.linuxjournal.com/lj-issues/issue88/4791.html from rbm
 
- 20:20:49 [rbm]
 - F:PostgreSQL Performance Tuning
 
- 20:20:49 [chump]
 - commented item F
 
- 20:20:57 [rbm]
 - F:|PostgreSQL Performance Tuning
 
- 20:20:57 [chump]
 - titled item F
 
- 20:27:17 [rbm]
 - * rbm sighs deeply
 
- 20:28:06 [Psychephylax]
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- 20:28:09 [Psychephylax]
 - hey guys
 
- 20:28:13 [Psychephylax]
 - * Psychephylax returns
 
- 20:28:41 [Psychephylax]
 - i almost got this! 
 
- 20:28:47 [Psychephylax]
 - Just need to fix 1 error :/
 
- 20:32:19 [Psychephylax]
 - * Psychephylax puts forth all of his Oracle knowledge
 
- 20:34:16 [davb]
 - later...
 
- 20:34:20 [davb]
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- 20:34:35 [Psychephylax]
 - * Psychephylax gets closer to markd2 and snatches his Oracle brain
 
- 20:35:17 [markd2]
 - * markd2 drools
 
- 20:39:33 [Psychephylax]
 - Can you help me?
 
- 20:39:53 [markd2]
 - I can try
 
- 20:39:56 [Psychephylax]
 - ok
 
- 20:40:12 [Psychephylax]
 - I got rid of the majority of the problems with a DBA
 
- 20:40:19 [markd2]
 - cool
 
- 20:40:22 [Psychephylax]
 - but this one he doesn't know since it's OACS related
 
- 20:40:28 [markd2]
 - ok
 
- 20:40:32 [Psychephylax]
 - 62/2     PL/SQL: SQL Statement ignored
 
- 20:40:32 [Psychephylax]
 - 62/35    PLS-00201: identifier 'OBJECT_ID' must be declared
 
- 20:40:36 [Psychephylax]
 - that's the error
 
- 20:40:43 [Psychephylax]
 - he said
 
- 20:40:52 [Psychephylax]
 - I should declare that in my function new (
 
- 20:40:53 [Psychephylax]
 - )
 
- 20:41:13 [Psychephylax]
 - but I looked at Vinods reserve-create.sql and he doesn't have it
 
- 20:41:17 [markd2]
 - yeah - it's expectin the identifier to be declared (whether it's a parameter or a variable)
 
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- 20:44:13 [Psychephylax]
 - hmm
 
- 20:44:34 [Psychephylax]
 - So I would add:
 
- 20:44:40 [markd2]
 - don't blindly add stuff
 
- 20:44:55 [markd2]
 - search through the pl/sql of oacs new functions and see how they're using object_id
 
- 20:45:09 [Psychephylax]
 - I did
 
- 20:45:15 [Psychephylax]
 - I looked at Vinods code :/
 
- 20:45:44 [talli]
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- 20:45:49 [talli]
 - hey guys
 
- 20:45:55 [markd2]
 - beautiful it may be, Vinod's code is not the whole of oacs - he might not need features that you're needing
 
- 20:46:31 [Psychephylax]
 - he has the thing 
 
- 20:46:48 [talli]
 - somebody say "vinod" and "beautiful" in the same sentence?
 
- 20:46:51 [Psychephylax]
 - object_id => room_id,
 
- 20:46:58 [Psychephylax]
 - he uses it like that
 
- 20:47:18 [markd2]
 - that means "parameter name object_id gets the value of variable room_id"
 
- 20:47:27 [markd2]
 - in a function call
 
- 20:47:42 [Psychephylax]
 - object_id => incident_id,
 
- 20:47:52 [Psychephylax]
 - that's how I use mine
 
- 20:48:10 [markd2]
 - is that for-sure where it's complaining?
 
- 20:48:14 [Psychephylax]
 - yes
 
- 20:48:23 [markd2]
 - paste in the function call
 
- 20:48:25 [markd2]
 - please
 
- 20:48:32 [Psychephylax]
 - it's looong
 
- 20:48:42 [markd2]
 - *just* the function call
 
- 20:48:47 [markd2]
 - not your whole function
 
- 20:48:50 [markd2]
 - just where object_id is being used
 
- 20:50:11 [Psychephylax]
 - it's used here:
 
- 20:50:13 [Psychephylax]
 - object_id => incident_id,
 
- 20:50:40 [Psychephylax]
 - and then incident_id used here: insert into snmp_incidents
 
- 20:50:40 [Psychephylax]
 -                 (incident_id,
 
- 20:50:41 [markd2]
 - the function you're invoking, that has an object_id paramter?
 
- 20:50:52 [markd2]
 - you're not getting any errors about incident_id - I don't care about it
 
- 20:50:57 [Psychephylax]
 - I'm not following..feel free to yell at my stupidity
 
- 20:51:17 [markd2]
 - ignore incedent_id - you;re getting errors about object_id
 
- 20:51:39 [markd2]
 - that object_id => whatever should be used inside of a pl/sql function call
 
- 20:51:43 [markd2]
 - what is the function you're invoking that in?
 
- 20:53:45 [Psychephylax]
 - ok, I have a package declaration, followed by a body of package definition
 
- 20:54:12 [Psychephylax]
 - and I can't find the function stuff you're refering to :(
 
- 20:54:35 [markd2]
 - in that case closely compare your syntax with Vinod's
 
- 20:54:39 [Psychephylax]
 - i did
 
- 20:54:46 [Psychephylax]
 - because I used his as a model
 
- 20:54:55 [markd2]
 - you should have something   some_function (blah => ack, object_id => bork, fnord => greeble);
 
- 20:55:08 [markd2]
 - if you don't you're comming an error, which is probably what the compiler is complaining about
 
- 20:55:51 [Psychephylax]
 - I have a create or replace package body snmp_incident
 
- 20:55:51 [Psychephylax]
 - as
 
- 20:55:54 [Psychephylax]
 - function new (
 
- 20:56:00 [Psychephylax]
 - incident_id in blah
 
- 20:56:03 [Psychephylax]
 - ...
 
- 20:56:05 [Psychephylax]
 - ...
 
- 20:56:23 [Psychephylax]
 - ) return snmp_incidents.incident_id%TYPE
 
- 20:56:24 [Psychephylax]
 - is 
 
- 20:56:28 [Psychephylax]
 - vcontent_id integer;
 
- 20:56:35 [Psychephylax]
 - begin
 
- 20:56:50 [Psychephylax]
 - v_content_id :=acs_object.new(
 
- 20:56:58 [Psychephylax]
 - object_id => incident_id,
 
- 20:57:08 [Psychephylax]
 - object_type =>object_type,
 
- 20:57:09 [Psychephylax]
 - ...
 
- 20:57:10 [Psychephylax]
 - );
 
- 20:57:17 [Psychephylax]
 - is that what you're talking about?
 
- 20:58:04 [markd2]
 - yeah 
 
- 20:58:13 [Psychephylax]
 - ok
 
- 20:58:17 [Psychephylax]
 - That's what I was looking at
 
- 20:58:53 [markd2]
 - that should work.  so your problem may be elsewhere
 
- 20:59:07 [markd2]
 - scrutinize all uses of object_id, and make sure they're good
 
- 20:59:14 [Psychephylax]
 - I only have 1 :/
 
- 20:59:22 [rbm]
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- 20:59:24 [Psychephylax]
 - my bad
 
- 20:59:36 [Psychephylax]
 - 5 or so
 
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- 21:02:27 [gilbertw]
 - hi rbm
 
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- 21:04:52 [Psychephylax]
 - he doesn't love you Gil
 
- 21:05:24 [Psychephylax]
 - Mark, for one thing, the oracle line numbers are whacky
 
- 21:05:51 [markd2]
 - usually it says "line number of some_refernce_name_" 
 
- 21:05:57 [markd2]
 - like 'line 27 of package foobar"
 
- 21:06:11 [markd2]
 - so you go to the delcartamtion of package foobar, go down 27 lines, then look around for the complaint
 
- 21:06:21 [Psychephylax]
 - ok
 
- 21:06:24 [markd2]
 - if worst comes to worst, paste in each thing from sqlplus
 
- 21:06:28 [Psychephylax]
 - 62 lines :P
 
- 21:06:33 [markd2]
 - and when you get the error, do an "L" to get a listing
 
- 21:06:42 [markd2]
 - and that has the line numbers that it's complaining about
 
- 21:07:21 [Psychephylax]
 - aha!
 
- 21:07:29 [Psychephylax]
 - delete from snmp_incidents where object_id = snmp_incident.delete.incident_id;
 
- 21:07:37 [Psychephylax]
 - it's talking about THAT object_id
 
- 21:07:42 [markd2]
 - woo hoo!
 
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- 21:08:07 [Psychephylax]
 - woohooo indeed
 
- 21:08:18 [Psychephylax]
 - * Psychephylax snatches Marks' oracle brain again
 
- 21:08:23 [markd2]
 - * markd2 drools again
 
- 21:09:53 [Psychephylax]
 - Aha!
 
- 21:11:37 [Psychephylax]
 - SQL> @/web/oacs/packages/snmp/snmp-create.sql;
 
- 21:11:37 [Psychephylax]
 - PL/SQL procedure successfully completed.
 
- 21:11:37 [Psychephylax]
 - No errors.
 
- 21:11:37 [Psychephylax]
 - Table created.
 
- 21:11:37 [Psychephylax]
 - Package created.
 
- 21:11:38 [Psychephylax]
 - No errors.
 
- 21:11:40 [Psychephylax]
 - Package body created.
 
- 21:11:42 [Psychephylax]
 - No errors.
 
- 21:11:48 [Psychephylax]
 - * Psychephylax returns Oracle brain back to Mark
 
- 21:11:51 [markd2]
 - sweet
 
- 21:11:55 [markd2]
 - * markd2 stops drooling
 
- 21:11:57 [bartt]
 - Hi all. Has anyone taken a look at the site-wide-search package? The status sheets says that the postgres version is being tested but the data model files for PG aren't even in the .info file.
 
- 21:12:20 [Psychephylax]
 - It's not terminating properly though
 
- 21:12:26 [Psychephylax]
 - SQL> @/web/oacs/packages/snmp/snmp-create.sql;
 
- 21:12:26 [Psychephylax]
 - PL/SQL procedure successfully completed.
 
- 21:12:26 [Psychephylax]
 - No errors.
 
- 21:12:26 [Psychephylax]
 - Table created.
 
- 21:12:26 [Psychephylax]
 - Package created.
 
- 21:12:27 [Psychephylax]
 - No errors.
 
- 21:12:29 [Psychephylax]
 - Package body created.
 
- 21:12:31 [Psychephylax]
 - No errors.
 
- 21:12:33 [Psychephylax]
 - arg
 
- 21:12:44 [Psychephylax]
 - No errors.
 
- 21:12:45 [Psychephylax]
 - ^Cdeclare
 
- 21:12:45 [Psychephylax]
 - *
 
- 21:12:45 [Psychephylax]
 - ERROR at line 1:
 
- 21:12:45 [Psychephylax]
 - ORA-01013: user requested cancel of current operation
 
- 21:12:45 [Psychephylax]
 - ORA-06512: at "MYOPENACS.ACS_PRIVILEGE", line 11
 
- 21:12:47 [Psychephylax]
 - ORA-06512: at line 18
 
- 21:12:56 [Psychephylax]
 - oh
 
- 21:13:01 [Psychephylax]
 - it's granting permissions I think
 
- 21:13:58 [Psychephylax]
 - how long does it take to grant things and shtufff
 
- 21:14:20 [markd2]
 - dunno
 
- 21:14:32 [Psychephylax]
 - i'll let it sit for a bit
 
- 21:15:14 [markd2]
 - simmer on low
 
- 21:15:24 [markd2]
 - you can run 'top' and see if there's an oracle process churning away
 
- 21:15:25 [Psychephylax]
 - * Psychephylax sets the dial to simmer
 
- 21:15:38 [Psychephylax]
 - I don't have top on this box :(
 
- 21:15:40 [Psychephylax]
 - I don't think
 
- 21:16:23 [Psychephylax]
 - Would it be in sbin?
 
- 21:18:05 [bartt]
 - I'm having trouble loading the reference packages.
 
- 21:18:22 [markd2]
 - I have it in /usr/local/bin
 
- 21:18:26 [bartt]
 - Can't load ref-language due to the error: Function 'sysdate()' does not exist.
 
- 21:19:19 [bartt]
 - Does anyone know why sysdate() is there?
 
- 21:19:40 [Psychephylax]
 - oddness
 
- 21:22:10 [bartt]
 - Aah, I found it. The create script calls ../common/language-data at end but this file doesn't exist. Should be ref-language-data.sql.
 
- 21:22:57 [Psychephylax]
 - Mark, do you know why a PL/SQL script would not terminate?
 
- 21:25:52 [markd2]
 - either it's churning away on something big, or it's locked in a deadlock
 
- 21:26:12 [Psychephylax]
 - deadlock?
 
- 21:26:32 [markd2]
 - two independent processes each waiting for the other to release a resource
 
- 21:26:48 [Psychephylax]
 - no I don't think that's it
 
- 21:26:49 [markd2]
 - you owe me $5, but you won't pay until I pay you back $10 I owed you earlier
 
- 21:26:53 [markd2]
 - that kind of thing
 
- 21:26:58 [Psychephylax]
 - oh
 
- 21:27:03 [Psychephylax]
 - yeah that's not the prob
 
- 21:27:07 [Psychephylax]
 - nobody is using the db
 
- 21:27:25 [Psychephylax]
 - And I have the acs intro done without errors
 
- 21:27:27 [markd2]
 - you can deadlock yourself if you have two db logins going
 
- 21:27:32 [markd2]
 - e.g. a sqlplus and an aolserver
 
- 21:27:38 [Psychephylax]
 - hmmm
 
- 21:27:41 [Psychephylax]
 - How can i test for this?
 
- 21:27:48 [markd2]
 - grovel around in v$lock
 
- 21:27:53 [Psychephylax]
 - heh
 
- 21:27:57 [Psychephylax]
 - like i know what that is :P
 
- 21:28:35 [Psychephylax]
 - Aha!
 
- 21:28:39 [Psychephylax]
 - You're a genius
 
- 21:29:05 [Psychephylax]
 - w00t w00t!
 
- 21:29:08 [Psychephylax]
 - Progress!
 
- 21:29:11 [Psychephylax]
 - It works :)
 
- 21:29:18 [Psychephylax]
 - * Psychephylax gives Mark a cookie
 
- 21:29:39 [markd2]
 - mmm.. cookies...
 
- 21:30:17 [Psychephylax]
 - :)
 
- 21:30:23 [Psychephylax]
 - ok
 
- 21:30:28 [Psychephylax]
 - This is mighty important
 
- 21:30:42 [Psychephylax]
 - Is there a way to see that my stuph was properly introduced into OACS?
 
- 21:31:04 [Psychephylax]
 - brb
 
- 21:31:16 [Psychephylax]
 - gonna tell my boss I got the sql stuff done
 
- 21:31:20 [Psychephylax]
 - maybe he'll give me a cookie
 
- 21:32:58 [Psychephylax]
 - he ain't there
 
- 21:34:25 [Psychephylax]
 - * Psychephylax is confused
 
- 21:34:36 [Psychephylax]
 - I don't know what to do next :(
 
- 21:35:39 [markd2]
 - if the db stuff works, now on to the tcl pages that bang the database
 
- 21:36:15 [Psychephylax]
 - How do I see if my db stuff works?
 
- 21:37:20 [markd2]
 - by trying to use it somehow
 
- 21:37:27 [Psychephylax]
 - heh
 
- 21:37:46 [Psychephylax]
 - easier said than done of course
 
- 21:42:33 [Psychephylax]
 - Hmmm
 
- 21:42:42 [Psychephylax]
 - What's the site for the logs?
 
- 21:42:46 [Psychephylax]
 - I need to look up that tutoral link
 
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- 22:07:27 [bartt]
 - The plpgsql function sysdate() is unknown in my OpenACS 4 PG database. How could that be?
 
- 22:10:18 [davb]
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- 22:13:41 [Psychephylax]
 - Hey dave
 
- 22:13:49 [Psychephylax]
 - * Psychephylax gives dave a cookie
 
- 22:14:56 [davb]
 - Thanks.
 
- 22:17:08 [Psychephylax]
 - I got my datamodel loading into oracle :)
 
- 22:18:37 [davb]
 - Cool. sysdate is not defined in OpenACS 4 at all. But it is an oracle function isn't it? I think its just sysdate though.
 
- 22:19:05 [gilbertw]
 - bartt: I think sysdate was supposed to be changed to now() or current_timestamp
 
- 22:19:19 [davb]
 - Yes.
 
- 22:20:15 [bartt]
 - Gilbert, I tried the now() function instead of sysdate() in the offending ref-language.sql script with a different error message.
 
- 22:20:18 [gilbertw]
 - sysdate() was defined in openacs 3.x
 
- 22:20:50 [gilbertw]
 - bartt: what's the error?
 
- 22:20:55 [bartt]
 - Besides the Porting Guidelines refer to sysdate(). Do you happen to know the date format sysdate() is supposed to return
 
- 22:21:14 [gilbertw]
 - sysdate() used to be an alias to current_timestamp
 
- 22:21:32 [gilbertw]
 - which is the same as now()
 
- 22:22:12 [bartt]
 - The error msg is: Bad timestamp external representation 'ISO 639'
 
- 22:22:52 [gilbertw]
 - interesting.  where is this error coming from?
 
- 22:23:52 [davb]
 - Psychephylax: Make some test tcl pages that use the functions you created. Insert some stuff. Try to get it back out etc...
 
- 22:24:17 [Psychephylax]
 - function new (ok
 
- 22:24:19 [Psychephylax]
 - ack
 
- 22:24:22 [Psychephylax]
 - ok, I will do that
 
- 22:24:26 [Psychephylax]
 - I'm just wasting time now :)
 
- 22:24:29 [Psychephylax]
 - It's Friday
 
- 22:24:29 [Psychephylax]
 - lol
 
- 22:24:30 [bartt]
 - This is a psql error. I changed the sysdate() call in ref-language.sql to now() and then fed this to psql.
 
- 22:24:59 [davb]
 - Cool. ns_ruby. I can't wait. Ruby is on my list after Python and Java. I will be able to use every language with AOLserver.
 
- 22:25:01 [gilbertw]
 - ok.  is this the problem you talked about in the bboard?
 
- 22:25:18 [Psychephylax]
 - heh
 
- 22:25:33 [bartt]
 - Yes it is. 
 
- 22:27:55 [gilbertw]
 - is this part of acs-references?
 
- 22:29:08 [Psychephylax]
 - If Afghanistan does not hand over Osama bin Laden, should the U.S. bomb Kabul?
 
- 22:29:24 [bartt]
 - Yes, acs-references is now broken up into several packages: language, countries, currencies, etc.
 
- 22:30:10 [gilbertw]
 - oh.  hehe.  I've been away from this stuff for a while.  
 
- 22:31:56 [gilbertw]
 - so is it acs-language, acs-countries, and acs-currencies?
 
- 22:32:04 [bartt]
 - I don't think that the US should be provoked by terrorist to us violence against civilians.
 
- 22:32:07 [Psychephylax]
 - Going home
 
- 22:32:08 [Psychephylax]
 - buh bai~
 
- 22:32:12 [Psychephylax]
 - Psychephylax has quit
 
- 22:32:25 [bartt]
 - Yes, that is right Gilbert
 
- 22:32:42 [gilbertw]
 - hmmm... what is the path in the CVS repository.  I can't seem to download them
 
- 22:35:20 [bartt]
 - I had some trouble with that too. Ended up checking out everything.
 
- 22:36:37 [gilbertw]
 - argh.  I don't want to check out everything.  gonna try something
 
- 22:37:42 [bartt]
 - If you can figure out a solution let me know. I'm having the same problem at the moment with acs-service-contract.
 
- 22:38:17 [gilbertw]
 - yeah.  I had that problem with acs-references, and I got it to download somehow.  I'm just trying to remember how I did it :)
 
- 22:48:31 [gilbertw]
 - hmmm... nothing seems to work.  grrr
 
- 22:50:39 [bartt]
 - Try this Gilbert: create a directory acs-language in the package directory and then do a cvs -z6 update -P -d
 
- 22:51:25 [gilbertw]
 - ah ha.  here's how to do it:
 
- 22:51:27 [gilbertw]
 - cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@openacs.org:/cvsroot co opena
 
- 22:51:27 [gilbertw]
 - cs-4/packages/acs-service-contract
 
- 22:51:55 [gilbertw]
 - doh.  let me try that again :)
 
- 22:51:56 [gilbertw]
 - cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@openacs.org:/cvsroot co openacs-4/packages/acs-service-contract
 
- 22:52:54 [bartt]
 - Thanks.
 
- 22:52:58 [gilbertw]
 - no problem
 
- 22:53:11 [gilbertw]
 - rbm posted that a while back.  took me a while to find it
 
- 22:54:23 [gilbertw]
 - hmmm... that doesn't work for acs-languages, acs-countries, etc.
 
- 23:05:11 [gilbertw]
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- 23:06:12 [bartt]
 - Gilbert, I'm sorry that should be ref-countries, ref-currency, ref-language, ref-us-counties, ref-us-states and ref-us-zipcodes.
 
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 - gilbertw has quit
 
- 23:54:24 [gnatcam]
 - does anyone know how to change the username and password in emacs sql-postgres mode?
 
- 23:54:38 [gnatcam]
 - I tried customize-variable... but no luck