00:09:28 loggy has joined #openacs 00:09:28 topic is: Welcome to the topic? What topic? channel http://openacs.org 00:09:28 Users on #openacs: loggy markd2 davb AaronSw strainmaker GEM rbm shagster abbaJ chump 00:09:28 This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ and blogged: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog 00:09:34 anyone done credit card authentication stuff? 00:10:04 I sorta half-configured the cybercash module once a long time ago 00:10:15 I guess in this industry that makes me an expert :-) 00:10:16 didn't cybercash go under though? 00:10:36 it's probably lurching along in life-support 00:13:12 you done any e-commerce inventory management stuff? 00:15:35 not really 00:15:39 sorry :( 00:15:46 I'll forgive you this time :-) 00:15:53 this is my delimma: 00:16:07 the wife wants to put her stichery shop online, and wants the ecommerce part to know about inventory 00:16:16 ok 00:16:19 so if someone orders 5 stork scissors and we just have 4, it'll let the customer know 00:16:29 and we don't currently have an inventory management system 00:16:36 Can' 00:16:48 Can't you user the ecommerce module to manage your inventory then? 00:17:09 it's the hook up to the invoice creation and accounting stuff that's the interesting part 00:17:12 s/user/use/ 00:17:16 oh 00:17:21 she's currently using Quickbooks for the mac, but not the inventory stuff 00:17:25 Gotcha. 00:17:30 I was wondering what Real Folks are doing (if anything at all) 00:17:39 not many (any?) ecommerce sites I've seen deal with this issue 00:17:55 but that could be the "$19.99 a month ecommerce hosting!" rightfully not wanting to deal with it 00:18:02 since I own the box, I can't use that excuse :-) 00:18:12 heheh 00:18:47 I don't think there's a way to address that easily. You could perhaps have the website write and read .qif files 00:19:08 But that wouldn't be real-time 00:19:11 is that the squickbooks interchange format? 00:19:17 is it documented? 00:19:18 Can quickbooks talk to a database? 00:19:34 markd2: I guess it is. It's what quicken uses. 00:19:52 I have to head out. bbl 00:20:32 l8r 00:44:53 Hi markd2 00:44:59 Good questions. 00:45:48 I think ecommerce can keep track of the amount of stuff you have sold. 00:46:04 The easy way is to build a web interface and she can enter orders into that. One application. 00:47:48 * markd2 nods 00:48:23 You could export the data back to quickbooks probably for accounting, taxes etc. 00:49:01 I worked on one ecommerce, but never finished it. The client didn't use ecommerce to keep track of inventory. 00:50:31 was it going to be an automated "we sold XYZ, take it out of inventory"? 00:50:38 or a manual system to sync inventory with the stuff sold? 00:51:22 None really. If she ran out, she would have to make the product unavailable. 00:51:37 We probably would have addressed it, but the project basically was cancelled. 00:53:04 There's no table to store inventory status. ec_items keeps track of how many are ordered, shipped, returned etc... 00:53:19 I'm looking at ecommerce 3.x 00:54:19 we'll probably base it on FurFly's ecommerce thing for 4.x 00:54:29 I want to use the 4.x world - had enough of 3.x :-) 00:54:33 I wonder if thats the one in OpenACS... 00:55:07 Anyway. The only system I am aware of imports status a couple of times a day from another database. 00:56:16 I wonder if you could interface back to quickbooks via ODBC or something... probably wishful thinking. 00:56:33 ok 00:56:37 good to know 00:56:48 luckily she's a very small shop, so won't be a lot of buisness to start out with 00:56:51 It depends on volume. 00:57:02 They sold over 1000 items they didn't have one day... 00:59:20 This is the holy grail of ecommerce you know... 01:19:04 Oh yeah. 01:22:02 markd2 it looks like the windows version of quickbooks handles importing better than Mac. 01:22:33 * markd2 sighs 01:22:50 sorry... 01:23:14 It is very difficult to even know the Mac version exists. 01:24:40 Anyway there is an IIF format. Intuit Interchange which allows you to import transactions into quickbooks. So you could take the orders on the web site, 01:24:47 and handle payments in quickbooks. 01:25:05 But I can't seem to find if Quickbooks for Mac supports this. 01:31:38 the spousal overunit is chatting with the accountant this week to see what they suggest 01:31:46 since they'll be the ones pawing through the resulting mess :-) 01:32:01 Right. 01:45:15 talli has joined #openacs 01:45:15 til has joined #openacs 01:45:19 hey guys 01:45:26 HI talli. 02:00:52 * davb reboots to see how much he screwed up his machine 02:00:55 davb has quit 02:14:45 Hi talli. 02:17:31 hey aaron 02:18:18 ok, gotta go 02:18:19 talli has quit 02:18:27 Pff, that was fast. 02:19:03 probably some hula girls walking by 02:20:23 til has quit 02:46:18 davb has joined #OpenACS 02:47:13 Yeah, I am back to where I started fiddling with the kernel 02:59:25 davb has quit 05:45:31 vinod has joined #openacs 05:49:20 hey! 05:49:24 looks like you're up late 05:49:30 (or early as the case may be :-) 05:56:52 i never sleep. sleep is for wimps 05:58:01 how did the site launch go? 05:58:50 it sure looks pretty! 06:02:21 ok, gotta go to sleep now :-) 06:02:24 vinod has left #openacs 06:37:40 shagster has quit 06:38:26 shagster has joined #openacs 06:42:31 CAFEBABE has joined #openacs 06:51:51 CAFEBABE has left #openacs 06:55:16 markd2 has quit 08:32:28 til has joined #openacs 09:17:10 til has quit 09:17:52 jerryasher has joined #openacs 11:49:20 markd2 has joined #openacs 12:05:19 davb has joined #openacs 12:05:27 Hi 12:05:48 davb has changed the topic to: Welcome to the OpenACS helpline http://openacs.org 12:13:41 grettings 12:20:17 morning, evening, etc. 12:23:13 * markd2 makeas appropriate time-neutral greetings 12:25:06 We need a time-zone neutral greeting. How about a new word? 12:25:54 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xml-rpc/message/3579 12:25:54 A: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xml-rpc/message/3579 from davb 12:26:08 A:|ns_xmlrpc and OpenACS on the XMLRPC mailing list 12:26:08 titled item A 12:28:26 how abot 'flargle' 12:28:40 or do the alex thing, since He's on the logo 12:28:42 WOOF! 12:28:47 * markd2 sniffs people's butts 12:28:50 WOOF! 12:29:27 MS is evil. If I type say "openacs.org" in the address bar. it pretends not to know what I am talking about. 12:29:53 It used to add an http:// but now it goes to MSN and says "you are too stupid to type in the right URL, we'll find it for you" 12:30:21 or maybe the site's down... 12:30:48 nope - it's there 12:30:49 in all of its glory 12:31:02 oh, just not for me. Roadrunner apparently is sucking today. 12:31:11 davb: how do you know a microsoft product is PRETENDING to not know something? :) 12:31:52 heh 12:32:45 I only say that because it used to work. I didn't even change my browser. That's the spooky part. 12:33:05 * davb thinks about downloading Mozilla or Opera onto the work machine. 12:33:12 * rbm stumbles out of bed at 6:30 AM (MST) for his (cruel) 7:30 AM class 12:33:33 Can't be a CS class, they would know better :) 12:36:25 It's a business class 12:36:39 a 7:30AM class, there should be laws :) 12:36:43 classes at 7:30 are simply cruel. very cruel. 12:37:17 and it's cold outside, which makes it even harder to want to get up. 12:37:27 winter is showing up earlier this year. 12:40:51 markd2 has quit 12:54:23 AaronSw has quit 12:54:30 AaronSw has joined #openacs 13:17:12 shagster has quit 13:17:23 shagster has joined #openacs 13:26:54 AaronSw has quit 13:33:54 davb is now known as davrb 13:34:53 davrb is now known as davb 13:48:18 * shagster ponders actually doing any work today 13:48:22 * shagster . o O ( NAH! ) 13:48:46 * davb wishes someone would give him some work to do... 13:49:04 [to davb] I need my windows clean :) 13:49:11 * shagster ducks 13:49:23 OK, I'll be there in 9 hours... 13:49:29 heh 13:50:15 Has anyone read CSS: The Definitive Guide? 13:50:34 I've been meaning to, maybe i'll do that today 13:51:12 Let me know if its any good. 13:52:54 markd2 has joined #openacs 13:55:24 * davb is cheap so he reads Eric Meyer's articles on oreillynet.com instead of buying his book 13:56:32 I just read it in the bookstore :) 13:59:46 that's Vinod's trick 14:22:49 Psychephylax has joined #openacs 14:23:10 morning 14:38:17 Good trick. 14:39:03 ? 14:45:38 Argh. I got a really good article in email. It does not appear to be available on the web though so I can't link to it... 14:46:40 out it on a website somewhere :-) 14:46:52 yeah 14:46:54 what kind of article? 14:47:55 Maybe. I emailed the author. Its by Seth Godin. From www.ideavirus.com 14:48:56 Aha. His new book is an ebook. Ick. 14:49:05 lame 14:49:15 I want to read the Scott Adams "God's Debris", but it's only supported on windows 14:49:16 Yeah but its only $2.70 14:49:23 which is ironic since he's a mac guy 14:49:54 Not his fault... but annoying. 14:50:55 This books uses the evil Adobe eBook Reader 14:54:28 Wow amazon guesses if you will like a book or not. That is pretty useful. 14:54:42 heh 14:56:48 "Amazon says you might like MySql for dummies unleashed!" 14:57:55 Amazon.com generates a random number from 210 to 450 and picks a book about Computing "You might like this took too!" 14:57:56 not! 14:58:58 Hmmmm... 14:59:07 OK maybe it is not useful. 14:59:40 You guys are picking on Amazon. I hate giving them money, but I use their wishlist to keep track of books I want to buy or read. 15:00:02 Although I did buy a 37 cent book to get free shipping during that promo. 15:00:20 lol 15:00:35 I think it's just querying some tables for computing books out of the blue 15:01:08 The FedEx man better leave my burner around my house 15:01:25 I left him a big note 15:01:27 I bases it on what you buy and compares to what other people who bought the same thing bought. 15:01:31 He might. 15:01:43 Or he'll leave a note that you have to sign. 15:02:11 I remember when I was selling them some guy said that UPS lost his. I put in a claim and everything. 15:02:28 A week later he found it in the back of his wife's car. She had picked it up and left it in there. 15:03:27 That book I mentioned is the #1 selling eBook in Canada... 15:03:29 wooppe! 15:04:02 No. its the #1 book sold from Amazon to canada. 15:04:36 * davb is glad noone around here is bright enough to keep track of my network traffic. 15:05:20 Anyway. The email was about web sites. And says they should have been designed around the user. Kinda like Open/ACS 15:06:11 note: OpenACS needs a Email this Page to your friend feature if it doesn't already have it. 15:09:59 hmm 15:10:10 I left a note on the door with my signature 15:10:23 it said "I authorize you to leave my package by the door or with my neighbor" 15:10:58 Should be cool unless your neighbor needs a new burner 15:11:13 Nah 15:11:28 The people below me are blind 15:11:42 and the ones across and below are 90 or so 15:19:06 til has joined #openacs 15:30:16 strainmaker has quit 15:31:07 Cool. He responded already that he's working on getting it onto the web. 15:34:02 Ok whats wrong with this "Click cancel to continue your registration." 15:36:32 where's vinod when you need him :( 15:36:39 lol 15:39:27 whoa 15:39:34 it';s the Windows influence 15:39:39 "press the start button to stop your computer" 15:39:55 Hey, I never, ever thought of that. 15:40:02 I bet normal do though. 15:40:36 But what about the "trash can deletes what you put in it, expect if its a floppy disk it ejects it" :) 15:40:47 ola has joined #openacs 15:41:01 It was fun in a room of 20 non-mac-acclimated graphic design students. 15:41:46 heh 15:41:51 yeah that always freaks me out 15:41:56 deleting floppies to eject them 15:42:03 to this day I go to special-->eject disk 15:42:03 it's a hold over from the floppy-only days 15:42:39 then the action made sense. doesn't any more 15:42:49 Really? 15:43:10 yeah 15:43:20 one floppy drive, if you wanted to copy a floppy you had to do this: 15:43:29 insert floppy 1. eject it. this left a 'ghost' image 15:43:37 insert floppy 2, drag it on top of floppy 1's image 15:43:43 swap swap swap as it copied 15:43:51 then when you're done, drag the images to the trash since you don't need them anymore 15:44:06 since that was a *way* common occurance, the "drag the image to the trash to dismount and eject" was a godsend 15:44:07 MSDOS wins : copy A:*.* B: 15:44:12 Aha. 15:44:22 what does MSDOS do if there's just one floppy drive? 15:44:22 You were deleting the floppy icon. 15:44:33 It says hey insert the B: disc 15:44:34 if the mac had two drives, it was "drag image over image" - one motion :-) 15:45:12 same thing. basically. You had to swap discs because you didn;t have enough RAM to copy in one pass. 15:45:24 strainmaker has joined #openacs 15:45:48 lol 15:45:57 too much swapping 15:49:23 swap thang, you make my heart sang 15:49:55 heh 15:51:05 i think I have finished a partial part of my package (blindly nevertheless) 15:51:17 Yeah. 15:51:19 Anyone wanna take a look to see if I made some major mistakes that will blow up the database? 15:51:20 woo hoo! 15:51:27 Hey you need to start somewhere. 15:51:28 give it the old smoke test :-) 15:51:33 Nah 15:51:37 No smoke tests 15:51:38 my first db backed site (still up) is a horror 15:51:45 lol 15:51:55 I just wrote the 2 sql files 15:51:59 one to add, one to drop 15:55:18 http://oracle:8080/snmp-create 15:55:18 B: http://oracle:8080/snmp-create from Psychephylax 15:55:23 oops 15:55:37 There should really be a way to make him forget links 15:57:23 yes. 15:57:41 what's he written in anyway? Perl? 15:57:47 or Python 15:58:07 Python. Its on my list to learn. 15:58:08 B:| please ignore 15:58:09 titled item B 15:58:46 geez 15:58:56 where are these hot women passing by my desk coming from! 15:59:38 vinod has joined #openacs 16:01:03 Hi vinod 16:01:38 Just the man I wanted to see :) 16:01:58 Mr. Vinod, are you currently busy? 16:02:11 he's probably off malpracticing somewhere 16:02:18 * Psychephylax pokes vinod with a hot prod 16:03:15 mornin all! 16:03:24 * vinod wipes the blood off his hands 16:03:54 hey 16:15:55 http://www.zapthink.com/reports/proscons-view.html 16:15:55 C: http://www.zapthink.com/reports/proscons-view.html from davb 16:16:08 C:|The Pros and Cons of XML 16:16:08 titled item C 16:16:21 C: Extensive information about what XML is good for, and what it is not 16:16:21 commented item C 16:37:17 markd2: when did you end up going to sleep last night? 16:43:44 about 4:30 16:43:56 got up again around 8:00 to monitor stuff 16:44:51 ouch 16:44:58 * vinod hands markd2 a pillow 16:44:59 such is life 16:45:05 * markd2 (vi)nods off 16:45:11 haha 16:46:07 lol 16:59:26 * Psychephylax is away: lunch 17:11:56 vinod has quit 17:26:15 You have to see this: http://www.dashes.com/anil/?fram.php 17:26:32 I think I will send it to my friend that has never once written me an actual email. 17:40:29 ascharimkimbum 17:40:50 rbm: is that for us? 17:40:51 brb/ 17:40:55 davb has quit 17:43:50 davb has joined #openacs 17:50:06 davb: just for a change from the old "moo" :) 17:50:53 cool. 17:51:52 m� 17:55:21 AaronSw has joined #openacs 17:57:09 * rbm needs to setup his keymap to accept latin characters 17:57:52 Right. That shouldn't be too tricky. You could emulate the Mac layout or make your own. 17:59:01 M�� l�o�t r�l�s 18:00:00 Do you need a special key us PC people don;t have? 18:00:18 * davb needs to read the Mac is not a typewriter again... 18:00:49 which mac layout? 18:04:17 I've got an option key. option+u is the 'umlaut' dead key. then type a vowel and get it accented 18:04:22 e.g. option+u e == � 18:04:49 option-i is dead key for hat, option ` for acute accent, etc 18:04:54 Aha, its more complex. Two keystokes required. 18:05:06 yeah 18:05:14 I don't have a 256 key keyboard here :-) 18:05:40 The funny thing is microsoft Word adopted a similar system, but it doesn't work Windows-wide. 18:06:11 ctrl ' letter 18:06:20 ctrl ` letter 18:06:22 etc... 18:08:49 I would just type "'" then a vowel to get an a with acute accent 18:08:59 s/"'"/'/ 18:09:24 argh, I can't find the link for the full 208 key keyboard for people who hate the shift key 18:10:26 http://www.bbspot.com/News/2001/08/keyboard.html 18:10:26 D: http://www.bbspot.com/News/2001/08/keyboard.html from davb 18:10:37 D:|Compaq Unveils the 208-key Keyboard 18:10:38 titled item D 18:10:46 D: :) 18:10:47 commented item D 18:11:39 that's awesome 18:12:00 http://webword.com/weblog/00000275.html#comments 18:12:01 E: http://webword.com/weblog/00000275.html#comments from davb 18:12:07 strainmaker has quit 18:12:09 E:|Get rid of annoying autosearch in IE 18:12:09 titled item E 18:14:08 E: [Google 2.0|http://webword.com/moving/googleclient.html] John Rhodes on the new microsoft redirection 18:14:09 commented item E 18:15:56 E: You can choose a provider for address bar searches, but there is a fixed list 18:15:56 commented item E 18:16:12 E: Opera allows you to put any search engine on the toolbar 18:16:13 commented item E 18:16:30 strainmaker has joined #openacs 18:17:14 BWT Google is indexing my site every day now. I can't imagine how many bots they have if they are indexing _MY_ site 18:17:28 every day? wow 18:17:35 usually I see them once every other week 18:18:39 They started indexing sites based on how often the content changes. 18:18:52 So i have no idea why they are coming back every day. 18:26:20 * Psychephylax is back (gone 01:26:54) 18:38:54 BLURB: Schedule needs updating on www.openacs.org/4 18:38:55 F: Schedule needs updating on www.openacs.org/4 from Psychephylax 18:39:39 davb, does your site change every day? ;-) 18:40:03 Someone in another channel works at google to manage The Crawl. 18:44:42 talli has joined #openacs 18:44:53 heeeeelllooo all 18:46:10 heeeelllooo talli! 18:46:57 My servers kept going down on calliope... I think it was because it'd run out of disk space, but some magical elph got me another gig of disk space. 18:46:59 Thanks magical elph! 18:47:00 :-) 18:47:12 cool 18:47:17 that's weird 18:47:39 calliope was probably set up very poorly, a problem that we faced with some of our servers 18:47:45 petru has fixed that, mostly 18:48:08 cool 18:48:22 err, fixed that on calliope or new servers? 18:48:44 our hosting servers, sorry 18:48:51 was going to finish those sentences but was distracted 18:49:08 * AaronSw needs to learn ppetru's m2d sy2admin sk11lz ;-) 18:49:15 distracted: another hula girl? 18:49:59 no, i wish 18:50:06 a couple other IM's :) 18:50:21 anyway, the best thing to do with calliope is probably to do a complete reinstall. 18:50:38 but that would require reinstalling oracle, a not too attractive thing 18:50:46 but would probably solve your probs 18:50:57 hi 18:51:16 * AaronSw doesn't look forward to an Oracle reinstall 18:51:36 yeah 18:51:43 what you might do is upgrade the kernel 18:52:38 Wait. of course my site changes everyday. It is the home of the chump! 18:52:38 Perhaps I should just wait until that VMed server 18:53:32 yeah, but you'll have to get cracking on the PG port. 18:53:33 we have limited space, and not sure we can provide you with the resources for an oracle install, at least for an efficient oracle install 18:53:48 yes, that's what I mean -- the postgres port 18:53:53 oh ok 18:53:55 cool 18:54:07 does that look very hairy? the pg port? 18:55:01 No, it shouldn't be too bad -- it's just the time to go over the code and fix it all. 18:55:07 if you're just wanting to have an optimized user (different configs, tablespace layout, etc), you don't have to reinstall oracle from scratch 18:55:10 And I sorta need OpenACS 4 done... 18:55:48 markd, what if you're looking to reinstall the os completely? 18:55:52 andyn has joined #openacs 18:56:14 aaronsw: how much of openacs4 do you need? we're using it on production sites, so it may be ready for your use as well. 18:56:36 as long as you don't mind doing updates and bugfixes, which you would have to do with ACS4.2 anyway 18:56:47 * AaronSw hasn't touched his acs since he installed 18:57:07 I need permissions, subsites and news 18:57:10