00:26:07 loggy has joined #openacs 00:26:07 topic is: Welcome to the OpenACS Helpline | http://www.openacs.org/ 00:26:07 Users on #openacs: loggy davb strainmaker abbaJ AaronSw GEM andyn zzzirk chump rbm shagster 00:28:41 This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ and blogged: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog 00:40:46 davb has quit 00:45:06 abbaJ has quit 01:35:35 vinod has joined #openacs 02:03:55 davb has joined #openacs 02:07:18 moo 02:08:48 moo! 02:11:11 I went geocaching for the first time yesterday. It was lots of fun. 02:11:30 geocaching? 02:11:44 http://www.geocaching.com 02:11:44 C: http://www.geocaching.com from davb 02:11:52 C:|Geocaching.com 02:11:53 titled item C 02:12:01 C: Treasure hunting with a GPS 02:12:02 commented item C 02:12:34 Basically some nut puts a plastic bucket full of junk somewhere in the forest or wherever, then posts the coordinates on the web. 02:12:43 Other loonies go looking for it. 02:12:48 cool! 02:12:54 what'd you find? 02:13:22 There is a floppy disc of airplane photos, but my floppy is apparently non-functional right now. 02:13:35 Oh yeah, you have to leave something, so we left an extra CD we had. 02:13:54 Then you enter in the logbook. There is an online logbook too. 02:14:53 This is the one we went to : http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.asp?ID=3221 02:16:53 wow, the kids must have enjoyed that. like an easter egg hunt on steroids ;-) 02:18:40 Right. 02:19:56 I also fixed static-pages for oracle. 02:20:20 cool - did you do that while geocaching, too? :-) 02:21:44 Nope, laptop is busted. 02:22:21 it's probably best to keep work and pleasure separated, too 02:23:04 yeah. I have been slacking off on OpenACS work for about 2 weeks. I fixed all the oracle bugs in about an hour. 02:23:43 nice! i swear i'm always more productive after spending a little time away 02:24:11 but i tend to be too stubborn, so i just keep pluggin away and getting nowhere :-) 02:24:18 Me too. 02:24:51 I am going to rebuild my site on OpenACS 4 soon. I started fooling with Edit This Page this weekend. 02:26:06 cool. etp looks great - are you gonna set up your weblog through that? 02:27:19 Yes. I am kinda waiting to see if they come up with one so I don't have to. Talli mentioned that they were thinking about putting that type of feature in. 02:27:36 But it is really simple to setup a new page/content type in ETP. 02:28:07 Hey, are you familiar with the OpenACS 3.x categorization feature? And does OpenACS 4 have anything like it? 02:28:07 i only played around. haven't had a chance to look at the internals 02:28:26 I looked at all the code quickly. It seems well planned. 02:29:40 not too familiar with it... and don't know of the openacs4 analog offhand, sorry 02:29:59 Darn. To the bboard! 02:31:10 hmmmmm....I can't seem to find the CVS online.... it just goes to a tarball... 02:33:37 huh, you're right. that's weird 02:35:26 Argh. I tried to release ns_xmlrpc again, but I still get an error. 02:36:11 I thought I'd try again because Don was able to create an OpenACS release. 02:40:01 what error does it give you? 02:41:15 database dml failed or something like that. 02:41:30 sorry, I closed the browser. 02:41:36 ahh... one of those very detailed errors :-) 02:41:41 that's ok, just wondering 02:41:43 I filled in all the fields on the form. 02:41:45 np 02:41:59 Obviously OpenACS ate the real error message. 02:42:32 ARGH! I am in windows and can;t look at my Linux partition to examine the source... (openacs 4) 02:44:00 * davb wonders if its in the CR...(categories) 02:44:37 there definitely are categories in the CR, but i'm not sure how they're used 02:45:40 Spiffy. That's it. Now to figure out how to get it into ETP 02:46:02 basically there are "keywords" which are themselves content_items. 02:46:15 i think they're called keywords 02:46:32 And there is a big map table. That is just like 3 02:47:05 It should be easy to hack in support for categories into ETP. 02:49:22 I also want to hack in a developer or designer interface. So the templates can be changed or edited from the web UI. They probably figured content writers would not be hacking templates. 02:50:31 back to categories... of course, a keyword can be a child of another keyword. So you can group them. Very powerful. 02:50:56 yeah, i agree that it would be nice to edit templates via the web 02:51:08 next version.... 02:51:33 I have alot of plans. Hopefully I can get someone to pay me to implement some of them. 02:52:15 yeah, let me know if you find someone to do that. i gotta few proposals for them 02:52:21 :-) 02:52:22 np 02:52:56 The real fun will be building applications with OpenACS. Put a few packages together, whip up a nice web admin for them and puree. 02:53:43 The only thing it really lacks is a coherent interface to manage a site. 02:54:08 Of course, 3.x wasn't really much better. 02:54:23 aD saved all the fancy stuff for the paying customers. 02:54:26 (i hope) 02:56:08 I was just thinking, ETP really is a killer app. It gets rid of a bunch of other modules like NEWS, FAQ, PRESS, CMS (obviously) 02:56:34 You could get away with bboard, etp and general-comments. 02:57:06 that's true. i think it proves the power of the CMS datamodel, if implemented with a simpler UI 02:57:52 Exactly. You can add layers on top of it, if you really want. 02:58:11 exactly. start simple and grow (if necessary) 02:59:05 Well, basically, aD knew their customers (or potenial customers). They demanded every feature in any product that claimed to be a CMS. Its how the big places spec out the jobs. So aD threw in everything. 02:59:36 If someone has an OpenACS project that needs that stuff, they can afford to build it. 03:00:43 Thanks for listening, as always! It really helps to just ramble on to someone to get the brain going. 03:01:04 haha - i guarantee that i learn more from these than you do 03:01:33 Sure, right. I learned alot helping that Psychplex guy. 03:02:07 Doesn't matter anyway. I haven't figured out how to get these results just talking to myself yet :) 03:02:34 haha - well, when you do, let me know. i know a couple good psychiatrists 03:07:41 Cool. I'll be going now. Goodnight 03:07:59 gnight! 03:08:17 (notice I discreetly did not ask HOW you knew the psychiatrists) 03:08:18 bye! 03:08:22 davb has quit 03:09:29 shoot. dave is on to my secret 03:25:16 abbaJ has joined #openacs 03:25:40 So vinod, how'd you know I was in Boston? 03:25:58 (speaking of secrets) 03:31:21 ahh - i have my sources 03:31:32 i think you left the channel with the tag (off to MIT) 03:31:43 talli has joined #openacs 03:31:55 evening astronauts 03:32:10 evenin talli! 03:32:22 hellllloooooooo ... vinod 03:32:48 what's new in talli-land? 03:32:57 i am in the island paradise of maui 03:33:17 i was wondering what mauigatweay.com was. Nice!!!! 03:33:20 beyond my laptop's screen is a wide view of the pacific ocean 03:33:28 screw you 03:33:31 yes, quite nice 03:33:38 anytime, vinod. anytime 03:33:52 haha - if only you weren't half a world away (sigh) 03:34:10 but there is the internet 03:35:30 so, are you opening a museatech office in maui? 03:35:51 if you were out here, yes, i would be 03:35:57 alas, boston is far from maui 03:36:08 so no. i am not. 03:36:12 because of you. 03:36:18 all your fault, vinod. you bastard 03:36:24 * vinod leaves to check out travelocity fares to maui 03:36:31 be right there 03:36:39 no good. 03:37:10 damn! oh well. hope you're enjoying yourself. how long u there for? 03:37:31 dunno. 03:37:40 friday, sat or sunday 03:38:47 wonderful. and then are you off to sf for the openacs social? 03:38:56 ya, hosting that 03:39:47 cool - prolly won't be as fun as the ones you hosted out here. 03:39:57 since i won't be able to make it 03:40:24 You guys need to schedule these for when I'm in Boston. Sheesh 03:40:46 hey. if you have one in chi-town, i'll try to make the trip 03:41:09 hmz. not too many openacsers around here 03:41:35 bummer. maybe you need to move out here ;-) 03:41:55 heh, i'm working on it 03:45:13 cool. haven't seen any schoolyard subversion updates. what's new? 03:46:30 yeah, i need to update it soon 03:46:30 I'm taking two classes at lfc.edu 03:46:47 i've got two schoolyard subv updates in the pipe 03:47:00 cool - what classes? 03:47:22 Abstract and Discrete Math; Fundamentals of Music 03:47:52 wow. very interesting! i was a big math geek in my day 03:48:27 tried to be a musician, but my right brain is a little underdeveloped 03:49:19 Yeah, I think they should be good... seem a little slow though, but I've only had 3 days 04:47:18 CAFEBABE has joined #openacs 04:57:04 whoa cafebabe, you a chick? 04:57:10 wanna go into a private room? 05:06:20 anybody here tonight? 05:07:11 vinod, my main man? 05:07:51 wsup? i was just giving you some room to work your magic 05:08:41 oh, thanks 05:08:47 right. magic 05:09:21 i'm writing this stuff down. next time i hit the bars, my first line's gonna be "hey, you a chick?" 05:09:34 it works, man. 05:09:42 lol 05:10:03 also, try "that makeup you wearin'?" 05:10:48 * vinod is furiously scribblin notes 05:14:42 vinod, what kind of musician were you aimin' to be? 05:14:56 i played violin for like ten years 05:15:23 classical? 05:15:28 i was ok technically, but i never could get to the next level 05:15:30 yup 05:15:45 the next level is very very hard in music 05:15:57 i am totally tone deaf, but dream of being a musician 05:16:07 i'm listening to coltrane's a few of my favorite things right now 05:16:13 yeah - me too 05:16:14 i wish i could play a brass. 05:16:19 coltrane is awesome 05:16:42 markd plays brass 05:16:52 oh yeah? what kind? 05:17:01 coltrane is a god 05:17:03 i forget. i think he's pretty versatile 05:17:44 my first exposure to coltrane was when i moved to boston 5 yrs ago. there was a coltrane memorial concert and it just blew me away 05:17:56 who played? 05:18:39 a bunch of no-name boston-area musicians, but they were pretty good. they impressed my friend enough that she hired them for her wedding. 05:18:45 that was a great wedding :-) 05:19:01 it was at boston university 05:19:24 i think they still do it yearly around his birthday, but i haven't made it the past few years 05:19:39 cool 05:20:09 i bought my parents a bunch of jazz cd's. 05:20:09 http://www.jcmcsite.com/home/index.htm 05:20:09 A: http://www.jcmcsite.com/home/index.htm from vinod 05:20:22 cool, i haven't missed it. it's 9/23 05:20:22 i think that i actually just got them to buy me a bunch of cd's 05:20:50 haha - that's convenient 05:20:52 i really meant to buy them stuff they would like, but it ended up being a lot of hooting and snorting. i love the shit, but they want something they can eat diner too 05:20:54 ya 05:22:20 i'm not familiar with any of the musicians there, but i'm sure they are good and accomplished 05:22:44 many of the top jazz musicians in NYC studied at berklee, so there are some outstanding musicians in boston 05:22:48 yeah, i had never heard of any of them, but they play with a lot of passion 05:23:15 i used to live a block away from the berklee and i think i went to one concert while i was there 05:23:40 now, i really miss it since i'm way out in dorchester now 05:23:57 i need to move to nyc someday 05:25:46 talli has quit 05:57:11 CAFEBABE has left #openacs 05:59:40 vinod has quit 06:01:42 CAFEBABE has joined #openacs 07:12:08 djg has joined #openacs 07:18:54 CAFEBABE has quit 08:11:02 til has joined #openacs 08:19:58 abbaJ is now known as abbaJ|sleep 08:36:51 GEM has quit 09:54:28 ola has joined #openacs 11:11:08 anyone want me to test anything? 11:11:33 I'm at your service. :-) 12:54:03 davb has joined #openacs 13:00:30 hi dave. 13:03:40 Hey. 13:08:14 http://dqd.com/~mayoff/notes/tcl/upvar.html 13:08:14 B: http://dqd.com/~mayoff/notes/tcl/upvar.html from davb 13:08:25 B:|Rules for using upvar and uplevel 13:08:25 titled item B 13:08:30 B: From Rob Mayoff 13:08:30 commented item B 13:08:42 B: link from the AOLserver mailing list 13:08:42 commented item B 13:21:38 PascalS has joined #openacs 13:22:01 GEM has joined #openacs 13:27:53 djg has quit 13:56:09 shagster has quit 13:56:40 shagster has joined #openacs 13:59:35 http://www.whitehouse.org/news/2001/020501.asp 13:59:35 C: http://www.whitehouse.org/news/2001/020501.asp from AaronSw 14:01:45 oh dear... 14:22:30 PascalS has quit 14:47:45 vinod has joined #openacs 14:52:55 Good morning vinod. 14:53:24 mornin! 15:05:34 vinod has quit 15:33:15 zzzirk has quit 16:11:30 ola has quit 16:12:33 ARGH!!!!! 16:12:59 the bboard module implements it's own category system on top of the CR instead of using the CR's built in system!!!! 16:13:06 Why?? 16:13:32 Didn't the developers look at the documentation or code?? 16:14:10 Only the CMS uses the CR category functions. I wonder how many other modules do it on their own. 16:15:35 And of course, there is another map table just for bboard messages. 16:16:20 And yes, ecommerce has it's own category system and map table. 16:16:50 I am not sure that is not an ecommerce 3 port though... 16:20:03 Ticket tracker... 16:22:09 Well, I wanted to have categories in ETP, but as every other package rolled their own. I can easily setup a category attribute right inside ETP and forget about the CR categories. 16:58:58 til has quit 17:32:42 til has joined #openacs 17:43:12 nblyumbe has joined #openacs 17:43:18 Heeeeelppppp 17:43:22 nblyumbe is now known as Psychephylax 17:43:24 gah 17:43:43 anyone awake? 17:44:48 hi 17:45:07 hey 17:45:19 Do you know how to properly start XFree86 v. 4.1? 17:45:32 It's angering me and my boss is getting mad that I can't do work 17:45:42 And he's not here for me to bug him about this 17:46:02 They changed over to some new way from 3.3.6 17:46:07 And startx doesn't work anymore :( 17:48:00 davb has quit 17:50:11 Psychephylax: what distribution? Debian has "startx" all right for X 4.x 17:50:37 It's FreeBSD 4.4-RC2 17:50:48 my bad...RC1 17:51:18 Oh. No idea about *BSD stuff. 17:51:22 heh 17:51:30 it's not really BSD stuff, more like X stuff 17:51:44 It craps out with this: 17:51:48 I could send you my startx script if you want. You'd probably need to change the paths 17:52:13 4.1 didn't change in regards to "startx". it's just a script that does some housekeeping and then starts the "X" binary. 17:52:38 davb has joined #openacs 17:52:41 oops. 17:52:47 (EE) VGA(0) No display subsection in Screens section "Screen 1" for depth/fbbpp1/1 17:52:51 I thought it was still startx. 17:53:14 (EE) Screens found, but none have a usable configuration. 17:53:21 Fatal server error: 17:53:25 no screens found 17:53:29 You need to setup your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file 17:53:49 did fozz disappear again? 17:53:52 err 17:53:53 I don't have one of those 17:54:21 You should. Otherwise it will fall back to /etc/X11/XF86Config, which is probably the config for X 3.x 17:54:30 don't have one of those either 17:54:57 isn't there a config tool? 17:56:23 ok 17:56:44 I did XF86Free -configure and it generated a config file 17:56:52 I moved the file to /etc/X11 and ran startx 17:57:12 It craps out with "No core pointer" failed to initialize core devices 17:57:20 Need a mouse section 17:57:57 cool 17:58:00 I got it 17:58:03 Do you want my XF86Config-4 to base yours? You'll need to change paths, driver, and monitor info. But that shouldn't be hard. 17:58:18 now lets see if I can do it as a regular user 17:58:57 * Psychephylax needs to fine tune his config file now 18:05:42 ok 18:05:46 I got it but it's got 2 problems 18:05:50 * rbm heads to class 18:05:51 1. resolution is too high 18:05:53 (yet another one) 18:06:04 2. it's only 8 bits instead of 16 18:06:17 poor rbm... 18:06:21 FIx it! 18:06:38 Put the resolution/bitdepth you prefer highest up, first on the line or something like that. 18:06:50 heh 18:06:52 Trying to! 18:06:56 have fun rbm 18:07:25 http://openacs.org/sdm/one-package-release?release_id=46 18:07:25 D: http://openacs.org/sdm/one-package-release?release_id=46 from davb 18:07:35 D:|Postgresql Driver for AOLserver 2.0.1 18:07:35 titled item D 18:12:28 abbaJ|sleep is now known as abbaJ 18:23:38 dave 18:23:48 you still have that config file? 18:23:50 :/ 18:28:57 I can't look at 1280x1024 @ 60Hz for more than 20 minutes without getting a headache 18:29:01 I have one, i think... let me look... 18:30:03 where should it go?? 18:30:03 can you e-mail it to nblyumbe@ic.sunysb.edu 18:30:32 thanks man 18:31:04 Here it comes... 18:31:39 I use 1024x768 as my default, like 85Hz or something 18:31:49 yes 18:31:51 that's perfect 18:31:52 :D 18:32:25 * Psychephylax itches for his mail 18:34:01 Psychephylax: The pre-alpha test release was released 18:34:53 cool 18:34:58 Did you send that mail? 18:35:08 Yes. It should be there by now... 18:35:11 nope :( 18:35:26 you sure you sent it to nblyumbe@ic.sunysb.edu without spelling errors? 18:35:28 :D 18:35:43 no, i'll check :) 18:35:46 k 18:36:25 oops missed an e 18:37:43 Ok, tried again. 18:38:44 got that 18:38:45 hehe 18:46:33 thanks! Worked like a charm! 18:46:35 :-D 18:46:43 bbiab 18:46:44 Psychephylax has quit 18:50:12 cool 18:52:46 nblyumbe has joined #openacs 18:53:01 nblyumbe is now known as Psychephylax 18:54:58 hey 18:55:11 thanks dave 18:55:22 anyone have a good X client? 18:55:29 x mail client that is 18:57:06 mutt 18:57:07 :) 18:57:12 I never found one. 18:57:53 heh 18:57:55 * Psychephylax tries mutt 18:58:42 got bless multiprocessing 18:59:23 Yeah, it really makes mutt zippy!> 19:03:33 hehe 19:11:05 brb 19:11:06 Psychephylax has quit 19:28:59 ola has joined #openacs 20:15:59 ola has quit 20:16:22 rbm has quit 20:16:24 rbm has joined #openacs 20:33:52 oom 20:41:42 ola has joined #openacs 20:44:13 til has quit 20:44:55 davb has quit 20:48:06 Psychephylax has joined #openacs 20:48:54 ola has quit 20:49:25 finally 20:49:31 This nightmare is over 20:49:44 I have my second box working semi-properlt 20:49:46 properly 21:12:45 moooooo 21:20:09 how was class 21:22:58 * shagster escapes 21:33:57 pretty good. 21:34:49 heh 21:48:38 chump: view 21:48:38 A: http://www.jcmcsite.com/home/index.htm 21:48:39 B: Rules for using upvar and uplevel (http://dqd.com/~mayoff/notes/tcl/upvar.html) 21:48:40 C: http://www.whitehouse.org/news/2001/020501.asp 21:48:41 D: Postgresql Driver for AOLserver 2.0.1 (http://openacs.org/sdm/one-package-release?release_id=46) 21:56:44 Psychephylax: Try: /msg chump view 21:58:57 talli has joined #openacs 21:59:06 afternoon gents 21:59:35 Hi talli 21:59:48 ah 21:59:50 thanks 21:59:52 brb 21:59:55 Psychephylax has quit 22:09:21 anybody that is here... 22:09:38 has anyone considered using PyWX to develop openacs systems with Python? 22:13:19 I have. But I haven't tested. 22:13:27 I wanted to use some Python modules. 22:14:15 * rbm heads out 22:26:13 davb has joined #OpenACS 22:27:03 * AaronSw is developing OpenACS systems (sorta) with Python, but moving away from OpenACS 22:29:09 but you're not using aolserver 22:31:21 Yes I am! 22:31:28 And PyWX too. 22:31:37 oh, cool. 22:31:41 how do you like it? 22:32:29 I like it a lot, actually. While we need to port a lot of the standard Tcl library to Python, I think it's a really nice environment (once you get everything running). 22:35:02 how do you think python apps would interact with openacs apps? 22:36:16