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03:10:26 <Psychephylax> http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_389114.html?menu=news.latestheadlines
03:10:26 <chump> B: http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_389114.html?menu=news.latestheadlines from Psychephylax
03:10:45 <Psychephylax> B:| Violent Monopoly loser warned he
03:10:45 <chump> titled item B
03:10:55 <Psychephylax> B:| Violent Monopoly loser warned he faces jail
03:10:55 <chump> titled item B
03:11:08 <Psychephylax> B: What the hell is this world coming to?
03:11:08 <chump> commented item B
03:11:16 <Psychephylax> chump: view
03:11:16 <chump> A: http://allbusiness.findlaw.com/agreements/handspring/softwarelic.html
03:11:17 <chump> B: Violent Monopoly loser warned he faces jail (http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_389114.html?menu=news.latestheadlines)
03:16:10 <Psychephylax> http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_389049.html?menu=news.lifestyle
03:16:10 <chump> C: http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_389049.html?menu=news.lifestyle from Psychephylax
03:16:35 <Psychephylax> C:| Old folks' homes showing porn movies
03:16:35 <chump> titled item C
03:16:40 <Psychephylax> C: Funny
03:16:40 <chump> commented item C
03:18:54 <Psychephylax> later guys
03:18:59 <Psychephylax> see ya on Wed from work :)
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13:04:35 <ola> good afternoon!
13:04:49 <PascalS> hiya
13:05:43 <davb> Hello.
13:11:26 <markd> greetings
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13:13:06 <ola> OpenACS4 is getting snappier by the hour, or is it my new Athlon 1200 that's warming up?
13:13:11 <ola> :-)
13:13:16 <markd> heh
13:13:21 <PascalS> :)
13:13:32 <PascalS> Works fine @750
13:14:04 <ola> how much memory?;-)
13:26:19 <GEM> * GEM wanders in and waves
13:36:06 <PascalS> 256MB
13:36:19 <PascalS> But thats PG, not Oracle blazing.
13:36:41 <PascalS> If I start both Oracle and PG it's not a pretty sight.
13:37:14 <markd> oof.  that sounds painful
13:38:11 <PascalS> Nah. I just don't use it that way often
13:47:16 <ola> hah, I'm spoiling PG with 512MB...
13:47:34 <davb> Wow. I only have 192mb. 
13:47:58 <PascalS> I own a grand total of 768MB
13:48:09 <ola> yikes!
13:48:16 <PascalS> I just need to share it over 4 machines
13:48:23 <ola> heh
13:48:32 <PascalS> Does anyone have any broken DIMMs lying around?
13:49:10 <ola> no. why? can you fix 'em?
13:49:19 <PascalS> ehrm, no - but I can use them
13:49:31 <davb> Its cheaper to buy new ones anyway...
13:49:51 <PascalS> how so?
13:50:09 <PascalS> if you give me bad ram, how can it cost more?
13:50:40 <davb> I meant cheaper than thinking about fixing them.
13:50:53 <PascalS> You cannot fix ram, nobody can
13:50:56 <davb> I have some SIMMs though. Probably alot. 
13:51:21 <PascalS> Me too, but no Mainboards with SIMMs anymore :(
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13:51:45 <PascalS> * PascalS wonders if everyone here is aware of the fact that MS-XML sucks
13:51:51 <ola> * ola goes to install openfts
13:51:53 <davb> * davb didn't notice
13:52:00 <davb> ola: Cool.
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13:52:15 <PascalS> ftp=full text search?
13:52:25 <PascalS> s/ftp/fts/
13:52:37 <ola> yup
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14:33:55 <markd>  /topic Greetings from the OpenACS greeting channel
14:33:58 <markd> er, oops
14:44:39 <davb> Wow, that search package is pretty neat. I am just looking at how they added it onto notes.
14:45:35 <davb> I thought it was going to integrate with the CR so that you could just put your content in the CR and it would be searched.
14:59:37 <ola> will we be able to search static pages, do you think?
15:03:34 <davb> Thats the plan. I have to get back to work and build it. It seems that from what I have been talking to DanW about that
15:03:50 <davb> if I can get the content into the CR, the Cr will handle the search functionality. 
15:04:17 <davb> Or I could do it the easy way, and have static-pages export its data to the search package.
15:10:16 <davb> I can see in the original static-pages design notes that they planned on putting it into the CR to allow easier administration and searching. Too bad I am not getting aD money to fix it :)
15:16:33 <markd> * markd tosses davb a quarter :-)
15:18:20 <davb> woohoo!
15:19:10 <markd> * markd expenses that quarter
15:19:24 <davb> hehe
15:19:43 <davb> * davb has a friend that only knows how to use the forward function on his email client.
15:21:02 <davb> does Oracle have CASE WHEN?
15:21:52 <davb> never mind...
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15:36:36 <lilo> [GlobalNotice] Looks as if the problems are resolved for now.  I'll dig up the list of people who messaged in response to my query and set up a channel to go over status.  Thanks.
15:38:43 <davb> rbm: any idea why pg_ctl cannot find my postmaster.pid to shutdown postgresql? (I thought it might be debian related)
15:42:34 <davb> yeah. never mind...
15:43:00 <davb> I need to set the PGDATA environment for the postgres user.
15:43:22 <davb> * davb starts oracle...
15:44:20 <markd> * markd hears davb's Oracle grinding into life....
15:45:06 <davb> actually it starts up pretty quickly...
15:46:47 <davb> argh!!!!!!
15:47:01 <davb> AOLserver can;t connect to oracl again!
15:47:32 <davb> actually it appears that the oracle libraries are missing.... weird.
15:47:48 <davb> libclntsh.so cannot be found
15:47:53 <markd> LD_LIBRARY_PATH
15:48:15 <davb> Aha. Thanks. (I forgot thats why aD had the aolserver-oracle script)
15:51:12 <davb> Aha. A clue that your db driver is not loading, AOLserver starts quickly..
15:52:42 <markd> LOL
15:54:56 <davb> actually the data-model wasn't loaded it it started pretty fast anyway.
16:10:28 <davb> can I get the email of the sitewide admin? 
16:18:12 <til> select party_id,email from parties,acs_permissions where grantee_id=party_id and object_id=0 and privilege='admin';
16:18:24 <lilo> [GlobalNotice] We'll have services back up in a moment, with the usual splits.  Apologies for the inconvenience.
16:18:52 <davb> cool. I found it.
16:19:19 <davb> OK, why does the setup page let you enter your email with a , in it? like this dave@thedesignexperience,org
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16:29:16 <davb> cool! Oracle static-pages scans!
16:29:37 <davb> oops... another snag.
16:32:17 <davb> hmmm invalid column name... doesn't say which one.
16:38:22 <davb> oops.
16:40:30 <davb>     update static_pages
16:40:30 <davb>         set show_comments_p = (CASE WHEN show_comments_p=TRUE THEN FALSE ELSE !>>>!TRUE END)
16:40:30 <davb>         where static_page_id = :item_id
16:41:44 <markd> TRUE isn't an oracle symbol
16:42:01 <markd> the errors are reported from right to left, so it barfed on the first true
16:42:14 <markd> I bet doing 't' 'f' instead of TRUE FALSE will work
16:42:48 <davb> cool.
16:42:53 <davb> thanks
16:42:57 <davb> check it out :Caffeine (Integration Server Overview) 
16:43:07 <markd> ?
16:43:21 <davb> from the oracle docs. Apparently they need caffeine integration for the DBAs to be efficient
16:46:25 <davb> :)
16:47:32 <markd> LOL
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16:51:07 <davb> Aha, no errors, but I am not getting the links to add comments.
16:52:39 <markd> hmmm
16:52:48 <markd> see what show_comments_p is set to
16:52:55 <markd> maybe it's not the 't' 'f' thing
16:53:47 <davb> oh, of course.
16:54:57 <davb> t
16:54:57 <davb> t
16:55:19 <davb> its probably the part that actually loads the page. The check query is busted. 
16:59:20 <davb> Aha. I have not mounted the general comments package.
17:00:01 <davb> Fixed!
17:00:12 <markd> wü-hü!
17:01:05 <davb> OK, last dumb question until after lunch. I removed some files, but forgot to remove them from CVS. How can I see what they were?
17:01:14 <markd> cvs -n update
17:01:26 <markd> the U (I think) will show what needs to be updated
17:01:35 <davb> yep. thanks!!
17:04:35 <davb> Cool. its fixed and committed.
17:07:29 <markd> yay!
17:31:19 <davb> Taking off two weeks really helps to clear your head. I found all the bugs right away.
17:33:05 <markd> cool
17:34:26 <markd> * markd would love to take two weeks off
17:34:40 <davb> (off from working on static-pages that is)
17:59:59 <GEM> for amusement about stupid someone's coworkers, check out http://www.livejournal.com/talkread.bml?itemid=8154123&nc=4
18:00:15 <GEM> (it's even got a DB connection :-)
18:02:02 <markd> cool
18:02:39 <markd> also check out http://chroniclesofgeorge.nanc.com/  - for amusing abuse of a cow-worker
18:02:56 <markd> (jump to page 1)
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18:19:02 <davb> must.....stop.....reading......george......
18:21:21 <markd> are you havening a goodly time?
18:22:23 <davb> ohmigod. It hurts.... I have to stop. I don;t have a door.
18:23:23 <davb> (to contain the laughter)
18:24:51 <markd> Chronicles of Georgening are awesome
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19:56:40 <ola> hi andyn.
19:56:51 <andyn> hello ola
20:00:22 <ola> i'm tired. I think I need food. I have played too long with OpenACS4 search packet...
20:02:43 <davb> go ahead, take a break...
20:04:03 <ola> has talli gone underground?
20:04:20 <ola> I haven't seen him all day.
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20:12:57 <davb> Hi vinod.
20:13:50 <vinod> hey dave!
20:13:56 <davb> totally off-topic, buts its cool. http://www.kcmuseum.org a really nice web site that uses Manila. 
20:14:26 <davb> Now I have an idea of what content management can do so I can evaluate ETP
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20:14:49 <davb> (there I coerced it back on-topic)
20:16:57 <AaronSw> Only if you're Brian Bell. ;-)
20:17:53 <davb> Their HTML is evil though. Wow look at all those tables!
20:18:44 <AaronSw> Not much different than many other sites nowadays
20:19:16 <davb> Now, not at all really.
20:19:39 <AaronSw> * AaronSw is a big Brain Bell fan
20:19:43 <davb> s/Now/No
20:19:55 <vinod> who's Brian Bell?
20:20:00 <AaronSw> s/Brain/Brian/
20:20:08 <AaronSw> He's the guy who makes all the good-looking Manila sites
20:20:12 <AaronSw> http://design.weblogger.com/
20:20:12 <chump> A: http://design.weblogger.com/ from AaronSw
20:20:19 <AaronSw> A:|Brian Bell's Website
20:20:19 <chump> titled item A
20:20:39 <AaronSw> A:|Bryan Bell's Website
20:20:40 <chump> titled item A
20:20:46 <AaronSw> oops... i've been spelling his name wrong
20:20:57 <davb> Oh ok.
20:21:03 <AaronSw> A:See also [BryanBell.com|http://www.bryanbell.com/]
20:21:03 <chump> commented item A
20:21:52 <lilo> [GlobalNotice] Hi all.  Once more into the breach.  In case you're wondering, we killed a cracker channel yesterday.  The new code should be a lot cleaner, but scheduling has been a problem.  Thanks.
20:22:01 <davb> aiigh! He has a humongous (sp?) table. It scrolls horizontally on 1024x768
20:22:19 <vinod> ok, that makes more sense. cuz i did a quick google search and got this: http://www.brianbell.com/
20:22:24 <lilo> [GlobalNotice] We'll be coming back up in a moment, with the attendant temporary splits.
20:22:29 <vinod> and i thought that aaronsw had gone temporarily insane
20:22:32 <vinod> :-)
20:22:45 <AaronSw> heheh
20:22:59 <AaronSw> I saw that and realized my mistake
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20:23:46 <AaronSw> Yeah, some of his work is just stunning.... and some is pretty poor by comparison
20:24:02 <davb> Porbably depends on who/what it is for.
20:24:25 <AaronSw> Yeah... Like personally I find http://theme28.weblogger.com/ ugly
20:26:20 <davb> Thats the one on http://www.bryanbell.com
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20:35:39 <davb> http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/WEBONLY/resource/sep01/speak.html
20:35:39 <chump> B: http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/WEBONLY/resource/sep01/speak.html from davb
20:35:49 <davb> B:|Engineer's Guide to Venture Capitalists
20:35:50 <chump> titled item B
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22:56:29 <rbm> mooo
23:07:55 <shagster> ooom
23:12:29 <gilbertw> moo to you too
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