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00:09:18 <Psychephylax> Hello
00:09:30 <GEM> Aaron: You say somewhere that you don't have a good definition of a schema, I think
00:09:46 <GEM> Hi Psychephylax
00:09:56 <Psychephylax> hello
00:10:10 <AaronSw> no, an ontology
00:10:13 <docwolf> back
00:10:13 <AaronSw> gotta run
00:10:19 <docwolf> thanks for the apache help
00:10:19 <GEM> Have fun!
00:13:13 <Psychephylax> So is Alpha released or what?
00:22:36 <GEM> I have no idea
00:28:30 <Psychephylax> that's not helpful :P
00:28:46 <GEM> so sorry. it's the best I can do
00:30:07 <Psychephylax> heh
00:30:15 <Psychephylax> i blame you
00:39:44 <Psychephylax> Does anyone know what 111/tcp sunrpc and 587/tcp submission might be?
00:40:45 <GEM> in what context?
00:40:59 <Psychephylax> I'm portscanning my box to make sure I don't have weird ports open
00:42:20 <GEM> Well, in general, I figure if I don't know what a port does, it is a good candidate for blocking off
00:42:30 <Psychephylax> yes I know
00:42:45 <Psychephylax> * Psychephylax wanders off to read the RFC
00:43:01 <GEM> sunrpc I think I remember being Sun's remote procedure call stuff, a definite candidate for dropping
00:44:08 <Psychephylax> it's the portmapper
00:45:21 <Psychephylax> once X is done compiling I'll reboot it
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01:06:11 <jim> re
01:11:36 <Psychephylax> last pid: 89419; load averages: 8.56, 5.91, 3.81 up 0+01:00:50 21:06:30
01:11:41 <Psychephylax> nice load averages :-D
01:19:42 <jim> that pid seems a high number...
01:19:54 <Psychephylax> heh
01:20:05 <Psychephylax> it's looped to 33418 already
01:22:20 <jim> does your *nix have 32-bit pids?
01:30:36 <Psychephylax> not sure
01:30:40 <Psychephylax> how do I find out? hehe
01:30:47 <Psychephylax> 79018
01:30:58 <Psychephylax> i think it rolls over after 999999
01:31:33 <jim> dunno, but that particular pid is > 65536 (which is the 16-bit-unsigned rollover point)
01:31:48 <Psychephylax> it's FreeBSD 4.3
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02:44:27 <talli> evening friends and foes
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02:58:27 <GEM> http://www.w3.org/TR/photo-rdf/
02:58:27 <chump> A: http://www.w3.org/TR/photo-rdf/ from GEM
02:58:50 <GEM> A:Using RDF to add photos to the Semantic Web
02:58:50 <chump> commented item A
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10:02:21 <jmarsden> chump: morehelp
10:02:21 <chump> Put emphasis in a comment by using *asterisks*
10:02:22 <chump> To create an inline link in a comment, say:
10:02:23 <chump> A:Look at [this thing here|http://pants.heddley.com]
10:02:25 <chump> You can also link to inline images in a comment:
10:02:25 <chump> A:Chump logo +[alt-text|http://pants.heddley.com/chump.png]
10:02:26 <chump> To see the last n links, say chump:view n (where n is a number)
10:02:27 <chump> To see the details of a link labelled A, say A: on a line on its own
10:02:28 <chump> Send any comments or questions to chump@heddley.com
10:02:48 <jmarsden> chump:view 10
10:02:48 <chump> A: http://www.w3.org/TR/photo-rdf/
10:03:11 <jmarsden> A:
10:03:11 <chump> http://www.w3.org/TR/photo-rdf/
10:03:12 <chump> (GEM) Using RDF to add photos to the Semantic Web
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15:11:11 <davb> * davb thinks he will try to rebuild his site on OpenACS 4 with ETP...
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15:21:42 <davb> Does anyone remember a doc that showed how to import OpenACS into a local CVS repository?
15:23:30 <til> http://acs40.arsdigita.com/acs40-project-central/client-build.html
15:23:31 <chump> A: http://acs40.arsdigita.com/acs40-project-central/client-build.html from til
15:23:41 <til> maybe
15:26:00 <til> did you mean that? they call it vendor import
15:27:16 <davb> That is what I mean, but there was something on OpenACS i thought. I want to import OpenACS 4 into a local repository so I can work on my web site. So that looks like it. Thanks.
15:28:18 <til> there shouldnt be a difference between OpenACS and ACS in that regard, not that i can think of
15:30:03 <davb> This is tricky. I have my developer code so I can work on porting. But I also need another repository to work on a web site.
15:33:18 <til> tricky indeed
15:35:31 <davb> I need another computer.
15:41:12 <til> why? no horse power for virtual hosting?
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16:09:34 <davb> No, not at all. I just a seperate machine to develop on. I can either do development on my main computer or my production box. I just need one more.
16:10:30 <davb> * davb goes to the light side...
16:10:31 <davb> exit
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16:21:22 <Psychephylax> heh
16:21:28 <Psychephylax> morning all
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16:22:42 <Psychephylax> Oh chit...everyone hide it's Roberto
16:22:49 <rbm> * rbm hides too
16:22:53 <Psychephylax> * Psychephylax hides behind chump
16:23:11 <rbm> * rbm watches Psychephylax be chomped by chump
16:23:21 <Psychephylax> ouch! ouch! He's got my arm!!! ahhhhh!
16:23:28 <rbm> Your nick is really hard to spell :)
16:23:33 <Psychephylax> yes I know
16:23:38 <Psychephylax> It actually accomplishes many things
16:23:41 <Psychephylax> like people copying me
16:23:53 <Psychephylax> Arg
16:24:40 <Psychephylax> Well, Psyche is soul in latin, and phylax is actually keeper and an old chest protector from Greece
16:24:48 <rbm> Just put your nick under the ADPL, that way they'll always have to make their nick "includes from original Psychphylax" which should discourage them from doing it, since that'd make their nicks too big
16:25:09 <Psychephylax> Hrmm? Where can I do that ADPL thing
16:25:34 <Psychephylax> I'll do it! lol...I hate when people copy my name in Counter Strike (which almost never happens since it takes them forever ot type lol)
16:27:28 <Psychephylax> i wanan like license it
16:28:46 <Psychephylax> Roberto...Is OACS released in Alpha?
16:35:07 <Psychephylax> Do any of you guys Moo?
16:38:48 <rbm> Psychephylax: That's up to Don. He's the release manager for 4.x
16:39:48 <Psychephylax> Ah
16:39:56 <Psychephylax> Well, I thought Alpha was due out yesterday
16:42:12 <rbm> s/griznog_h/anord/ :)
16:42:18 <rbm> I think it was.
16:44:37 <Psychephylax> hrmm
16:44:40 <Psychephylax> k thx
16:45:18 <Psychephylax> You guys think I can write a 13-15 page paper on different http servers out there? Like Apache
16:46:08 <rbm> anyone good with HTML here/
16:46:12 <rbm> s/\//?/
16:46:15 <Psychephylax> To some extent
16:46:27 <Psychephylax> What do you need to do?
16:46:35 <rbm> What's a good way to have three columns in a page, but without putting everything under one huge table.
16:46:48 <rbm> e.g.: http://www.brasileiro.net/openacs/oacs_redesign.gif
16:47:38 <Psychephylax> Well, you could do it with CSS or frames but I'm not good with CSS and frames is not the best way to do it
16:47:58 <rbm> frames are not an option
16:48:06 <Psychephylax> CSS then :)
16:48:26 <rbm> well, _thanks_ :)
16:48:28 <jmarsden> Psychephylax: No we have not hit alpha... maybe later this weekend... 
16:48:45 <Psychephylax> :(
16:49:05 <jmarsden> But you can test and report and fix bugs just as well out of CVS anyway... 
16:49:36 <jmarsden> I've just been sending Don some APM issues... :-)
16:51:40 <rbm> when you install OACS4, does it load _all_ the packages under packages/ ?
16:51:45 <rbm> I should know, but I don't.
16:53:24 <Psychephylax> I don't think so
16:53:34 <Psychephylax> I think you need to manually install the ones you want from there
16:53:58 <Psychephylax> i know the boot strapper will run though
16:54:27 <davb> rbm: hold on. I have a link to 3 column CSS layouts...
16:55:04 <jmarsden> rbm, no it doesn't, kjust the ones marked as being part of the core.
16:55:30 <davb> What do you mean my install rbm? If you checkout openacs4 it installs everything.
16:55:47 <jmarsden> install != checkout davb
16:56:01 <Psychephylax> lol
16:56:02 <davb> if you checkout acs-core, it installs the core. Basically OpenACS installs every package it finds in the packages directory.
16:56:10 <davb> jmarsden: right.
16:56:40 <rbm> I'm not talking about CVS checkout. I'm talking about APM installation.
16:56:45 <jmarsden> No, it does not.  Try it.  It install everything it finds there THAT is marked as being a core package.
16:56:55 <Psychephylax> no fighting!!!
16:57:07 <davb> I think that is fixed then. OK 
16:57:08 <rbm> davb: That link would be most useful to me (the CSS thingy)
16:57:16 <davb> * davb is wrong again
16:57:38 <jmarsden> I have automated the install process with scripts and documented them ready for other testers... and peeked inside the .info files...
16:57:57 <rbm> rock on jmarsden!
16:58:03 <Psychephylax> :D
16:58:09 <jmarsden> rbm did you peek at my as yet unreleased doc on that stuff?
16:58:11 <Psychephylax> * Psychephylax hides and cleans his room some more
16:58:17 <rbm> jmarsden: not yet.
16:58:21 <jmarsden> OK.
16:58:33 <davb> rbm: checkout
16:58:34 <davb> http://www.glish.com/css/
16:58:34 <chump> B: http://www.glish.com/css/ from davb
16:58:43 <davb> B:|CSS layouts
16:58:43 <chump> titled item B
16:59:21 <davb> I got this message: (If you were using a browser with better support for the DOM standards, this page would be quite a bit more interesting.) with Opera 5...
17:00:28 <davb> B: A huge CSS reference and other neat stuff
17:00:28 <chump> commented item B
17:03:30 <davb> B: Also see [layour reservoir|http://www.bluerobot.com/web/layouts/]
17:03:30 <chump> commented item B
17:03:44 <davb> - http://www.bluerobot.com/web/layouts/
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17:35:18 <Psychephylax> hola ola!
17:41:54 <ola> hola psyche!
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18:04:54 <PascalS> howdy!
18:08:06 <rbm> Wow. We'll have an earthquake. PascalS is back
18:08:35 <PascalS> sorry, forgot to mention I was going on vacation w/out possibility of internet cafe
18:08:45 <PascalS> * PascalS hides in shame
18:08:54 <rbm> Oh. You're forgiven then :(
18:08:56 <PascalS> was good though...
18:08:58 <rbm> s/:(/:)/
18:09:09 <rbm> Where did you go?
18:09:34 <PascalS> Luxemburg, sea-scout 75th aniverisry camp
18:09:42 <PascalS> I was cook, 
18:09:54 <PascalS> my wife herded some cubscouts
18:10:08 <PascalS> hard work but a lot of fun
18:16:36 <PascalS> So, I got me a Visor Delux+USB cradle. Anybody got experience on using it with linux?
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18:25:07 <rbm> PascalS: Before I had to sell my Visor to pay for school, I had no trouble making it work with Linux
18:25:36 <rbm> You can either use the pilot tools or coldsync to synchronize.
18:25:37 <PascalS> I know, I just need to find a good starting point
18:25:55 <rbm> By now, it's probable that the gnome/kde PIM tools already support the visors
18:26:02 <PascalS> cold sync says it'll only do USB on *BSD
18:26:36 <rbm> I used coldsync in my beloved Linux box over USB with no trouble. In fact, I got it to work with USB before I got the pilot tools
18:26:45 <PascalS> :)
18:26:58 <PascalS> I've never used USB with linux before.
18:26:59 <rbm> pilot tools has more features tho
18:30:30 <rbm> Compile a 2.4 kernel to make things easier.
18:30:41 <PascalS> I have rh7.1
18:31:28 <rbm> Oh, so you're all set.
18:31:40 <PascalS> Just need to RTFM
18:32:38 <rbm> http://usbvisor.sourceforge.net
18:32:38 <chump> C: http://usbvisor.sourceforge.net from rbm
18:32:52 <rbm> C:Accessing your Visor via USB on Linux
18:32:52 <chump> commented item C
18:33:43 <PascalS> thanks
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21:16:32 <rbm> moo
21:57:43 <GEM> cow?
22:41:24 <zzzirk> bovine
22:54:20 <GEM> to err is human, to moo bovine?