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15:04:28 <benford.openprojects.net> topic is: #openacs Welcome to the OpenACS Helpline 2001-08-02 http://openacs.org
15:04:28 <benford.openprojects.net> Users on #openacs: loggy abbaJ ola tdxdave shagster @AaronSw rbm zzzirk dc_openacs andyiscool andrew_s GEM 
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15:04:50 <AaronSw> * AaronSw uses daemontools to get loggy to reconnect... apparently it doesn't always work
15:09:04 <tdxdave> cool! daemontools is your friend...
15:31:55 <tdxdave> Apparently the tab-completion feature of pslq is tripping me up. 
15:38:25 <tdxdave> AaronSw another question, how can add a link to the irc-blog on the connect message for #OpenACS?
15:38:44 <AaronSw> Here, I'll do it for you...
15:39:40 <tdxdave> Great! 
15:40:57 <AaronSw> This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ and blogged: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog
15:42:13 <tdxdave> Thanks.
15:42:43 <tdxdave> Turning off tab completion in psql fixed my problem, but why am I the only one who has it?
15:42:43 <AaronSw> np
15:42:51 <tdxdave> (that was retorical)
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16:05:57 <tdxdave> Hi vinod!
16:06:13 <vinod> hey dave - is today treating you better than yesterday ;-)
16:07:17 <tdxdave> Well I figured out why that thing was coming up.
16:07:47 <tdxdave> Tab completion, if you hit TAB twice it will pop up. Apparently emacs is using TABs and they are getting pasted into psql.
16:08:13 <tdxdave> I turned off tab completon in psql for now and I am tracking down the errors in the "Query from Heck"
16:08:48 <vinod> interesting - hitting tabs doesn't do anything in my psql
16:09:02 <tdxdave> hmmmmm... funky.
16:09:34 <tdxdave> does tab completion work on the command line?
16:09:34 <vinod> how did you turn off tab-completion?
16:09:42 <vinod> yeah
16:09:53 <tdxdave> its in the Postgresql docs. I had to make an .inputrc file
16:10:19 <tdxdave> $if psql
16:10:19 <tdxdave> set disable-completion on
16:10:19 <tdxdave> $endif
16:11:05 <tdxdave> Maybe it isn't compiled into your version of psql. 
16:11:36 <vinod> well, i must have somehow (luckily) compiled pg without tab completion support
16:14:01 <tdxdave> I installed with apt-get. 
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16:19:43 <talli> hey guys
16:20:33 <vinod> hey talli!
16:20:48 <tdxdave> hi
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16:32:26 <tdxdave> I like this:
16:32:29 <tdxdave> WARNING: Warnings can be ignored. :-)
16:32:29 <dc_openacs> Label WARNING not found.
16:32:41 <tdxdave> installijng mmm mode for emacs
16:32:53 <zzzirk> mmm mode?
16:33:26 <tdxdave> MMM Mode is an emacs add-on package providing a minor mode that allows Multiple Major Modes to coexist in one buffer
16:33:53 <tdxdave> http://mmm-mode.sourceforge.net/
16:33:53 <dc_openacs> C: http://mmm-mode.sourceforge.net/ from tdxdave
16:33:55 <zzzirk> Oh really?  That's kinda cool.
16:34:03 <tdxdave> C: MMM Mode for Emacs
16:34:03 <dc_openacs> commented item C
16:34:13 <tdxdave> C:| MMM Mode for Emacs
16:34:13 <dc_openacs> titled item C
16:34:23 <tdxdave> C: MMM Mode is an emacs add-on package providing a minor mode that allows Multiple Major Modes to coexist in one buffer
16:34:23 <dc_openacs> commented item C
16:35:07 <tdxdave> Apparently you can use it to use Tcl mode with ADPs
17:18:27 <rbm> I use MMM. It rocks.
17:18:57 <rbm> I've set it up because I had a class on SQL+PHP, so I setup PHP mode with HTML mode on the same window.
17:19:00 <rbm> s/window/buffer/
17:19:52 <talli> hey roberto, are you in grad school or undergrad?
17:20:33 <rbm> undergrad, so far.
17:21:09 <talli> when did you start?
17:24:00 <rbm> 1999
17:24:09 <rbm> I graduate next spring (2002)
17:27:27 <talli> how far did you get in your medical degree?
17:50:48 <rbm> 55%
17:51:32 <rbm> Actually 60%. I'd still have to go to residency and all that, so if you include residency then drop that to 40%
18:00:37 <talli> did you enjoy it?
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18:02:09 <tdxdave> rbm: does TAB-completion work for you in psql? Turning it off fixed my problem.
18:02:36 <rbm> Yeah. It was quite fun. But I didn't enjoy it as much as computing.
18:02:36 <rbm> Hence the switch.
18:02:38 <rbm> I was always looking for ways to merge medicine and computers.
18:02:51 <rbm> it works for me
18:02:58 <talli> yeah, that was my next question. that would be cool.
18:03:13 <tdxdave> hmmmm...I am going insane... but at least I am making progress in porting.
18:03:18 <rbm> I still have a desire to contribute to medical free software
18:03:34 <rbm> * rbm hands tdxdave cure-insanity pills
18:03:52 <rbm> tdxdave: wanna really go insane? Go to college :-)
18:04:28 <tdxdave> Hey. I have been there twice. I said it before, I love learning, I hate school.
18:04:47 <tdxdave> But lets not get started on that again :)
18:11:34 <talli> i don't hate school - i hate teachers that demand i do things for them.
18:13:34 <rbm> heheh
18:13:34 <tdxdave> talli: its for _you_ not them :)
18:13:34 <tdxdave> http://www.esc.edu
18:13:34 <dc_openacs> D: http://www.esc.edu from tdxdave
18:13:34 <tdxdave> D:|Empire State College
18:13:34 <dc_openacs> titled item D
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18:13:34 <tdxdave> D: University without walls
18:13:34 <dc_openacs> commented item D
18:13:34 <tdxdave> D: Credit for life experience
18:13:34 <dc_openacs> commented item D
18:13:34 <tdxdave> D: Credit for learning, not studying
18:13:34 <dc_openacs> commented item D
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18:13:44 <niven.openprojects.net> topic is: #openacs Welcome to the OpenACS Helpline 2001-08-02 http://openacs.org
18:13:44 <niven.openprojects.net> Users on #openacs: loggy ola AaronSw talli tdxdave shagster rbm andyiscool andrew_s GEM dc_openacs zzzirk 
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18:14:49 <tdxdave> Yeah a different error message!
18:29:01 <rbm> tdxdave: can you send commands to dc_openacs via /msg ? These messages on the channel are kind of annoying
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18:48:52 <talli> hey guys, can you recommend a good IRC client or a place to learn more about IRC commands and such?
18:54:22 <tdxdave> good question. I suspect not.
18:54:28 <tdxdave> that was for rbm
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18:56:13 <Grax> I remember seeing something about basic guidelines for submitting patches somewhere on openacs.org but I can't seem to find it now.  can anyone help?
18:57:33 <tdxdave> rbm: it doesn't work. It probably could be fixed, its in Python.
18:58:04 <tdxdave> Anyway you need to see the messages so you can see the labels A: B: etc...
18:58:40 <tdxdave> When you submit a patch, please provide as much detail as possible. Your patch file must be generated from the top-level directory of the package. Use a contextual diff if you can to ensure maximal compatibility with existing changes made to the repository. 
18:58:52 <tdxdave> Its on the submit a patch page inside each package
18:58:59 <Grax> thanks
18:59:32 <tdxdave> BLURB: Can we put a link to patch guidelines on the SDM home page?
18:59:32 <dc_openacs> E: Can we put a link to patch guidelines on the SDM home page? from tdxdave
19:00:17 <tdxdave> I use X-chat it came with my OS
19:00:51 <tdxdave> http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/irctutorial.html
19:00:51 <dc_openacs> F: http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/irctutorial.html from tdxdave
19:01:02 <tdxdave> F:| An IRC Tutorial
19:01:02 <dc_openacs> titled item F
19:01:09 <talli> thanks dave
19:01:13 <tdxdave> rbm: you are right. 
19:01:20 <tdxdave> I have more links if you need them.
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19:03:12 <talli> dave, do you have them on your website?
19:03:28 <tdxdave> Ummm no. http://www.openprojects.net/using_the_network.shtml
19:03:41 <tdxdave> I got them frm there. Open Projects network page.
19:11:15 <talli> thanks
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19:11:22 <tdxdave> np
19:26:14 <tdxdave> I can't believe it. 
19:26:24 <tdxdave> * tdxdave has defeated the 'Query From Heck'
19:28:56 <Grax> select * from heck?
19:29:37 <tdxdave> much worse. As usual DanW is right. Divide and Conquer. (but first get psql working!)
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19:31:46 <talli> long live DanW!
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20:39:32 <tdxdave> vinod: you mised it. I defeated the query from heck!
20:40:30 <vinod> * vinod cheers!
20:41:19 <vinod> amazing - that thing was U-G-L-Y!
20:42:31 <tdxdave> I hate to put each piece through psql and then put it back together to track it down.
20:42:42 <tdxdave> thats the only way to coax useful error messages out of it.
20:43:51 <dwalker> I've been inspired by windows to replace all my error messages with "unexpected error" but actually I appreciate good errors
20:44:25 <tdxdave> If you were inspired by windows why did you put the "unexpected" part in there?
20:44:47 <dwalker> because windows calls a lot of errors "unexpected errors"
20:44:58 <dwalker> they didn't surprise me though
20:45:37 <tdxdave> Now I am stuck on a parse error near ";". You know how to fix those right :)?
20:46:49 <vinod> right - bang your head on the keyboard a few times and try again
20:47:03 <tdxdave> Cool.
20:47:09 <tdxdave> Lets get that in the docs :)
20:47:13 <vinod> haha
20:50:38 <dwalker> I have that.  It's the step right before hit it with a hammer
20:51:10 <vinod> don't try to do both of those steps at the same time
20:51:30 <dwalker> lol
20:52:57 <tdxdave> Actually I figured out the error in my head. FOR needs a row variable right?
20:53:18 <vinod> correct - either a 'record' or a '%ROWTYPE'
20:53:34 <tdxdave> Cool.
20:56:58 <tdxdave> bee back later going home
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