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01:30:46 <cdlu> [GlobalNotice] Welcome to the new codebase. You'll notice several differences. Services will be back in a few minutes, and when it returns, channel owners will need to rebuild their access lists and correct the options for their channels. Similarly, all users will need to update any information they would like updated with NickServ. If you have problems, please be patient and take them up with us in #openprojects when it settles down a little bit. T
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01:38:49 <tdxdave> argh: Progeny still doesn't like to boot from CDROM
01:52:07 <andy> [GlobalMessage] Please fix your channel access lists. If you have any issues there, please come and talk to us in #openprojects
02:14:22 <robster> Jordan is available for australians
02:32:17 <tdxdave> woho. I do not recommend Mitsumi CDROM drives.
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02:54:32 <rbm> howdy
02:56:32 <rbm> * rbm checks
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03:03:24 <rbm> hey tdxdave
03:25:03 <tdxdave> I am installing debian on my webserver. Fun!
03:31:05 <tdxdave> cool I am on the net.
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03:40:18 <rbm> tdxdave: excellent
03:45:41 <tdxdave> rbm: can we link to PascalS doc about upgrading from postgres 7.0 to 7.1?  http://pascal.scheffers.net/openacs
03:46:12 <tdxdave> I used it last night, it worked great. I skipped over the parts that let you keep postgres 7.0 though. 
03:46:52 <rbm> I think it's linked from Vinord's porting guide. DO you want it linked from somewhere else?
03:47:20 <rbm> "Passport is no more essential for .NET e-commerce applications than it is
03:47:22 <rbm>               for Perl, J2EE, Python, or PHP e-commerce applications."
03:47:34 <rbm> For some reason my parser can't understand this phrase.
03:47:38 <rbm> Does it make sense for you?
03:47:54 <tdxdave> No that is cool. 
03:48:14 <rbm> Is he saying that you can use Passport from environments out of .NET?
03:48:18 <tdxdave> WHo said it? Passpost is the authentication scheme Microsoft wants every web site to use.
03:48:26 <tdxdave> .NET is a programming environment. 
03:48:31 <AaronSw> He said that Passport isn't an essential part of a .NET app.
03:48:35 <AaronSw> people seem to confuse them.
03:49:14 <tdxdave> Microsoft wants Passport to be an essential part of all applications, but it is not yet.
03:51:19 <rbm> tdxdave: Brian Jepson, on refuting Nick Petreley's article
03:51:40 <dent> [globalnotice] In a few minutes I will be shutting down services in order to reenter the time nicks where registered into the database.
03:51:46 <rbm> AaronSw: Passport isn't an essential part of .NET?
03:51:54 <rbm> Argh!
03:51:59 <tdxdave> I can't believe I didn't check the FAQ. I searched all over OpenACS.org for the link to that upgrade guide. I will learn someday.
03:52:34 <rbm> tdxdave: It's ok. We forgive you :-)
03:52:44 <rbm> <-- doesn't want to do math hmwk
03:53:14 <tdxdave> rbm: come over and fix my debian install. :)
03:55:02 <rbm> what's broken?
03:55:16 <rbm> * rbm goes attack the fridge
03:55:40 <tdxdave> I am getting a cannot find libd.so.3 or something like that running apt-get dist-upgrade. I am starting over. 
03:55:48 <tdxdave> Progeny is a big pain.
03:57:46 <AaronSw> no, passport isn't an essential part of .NET
03:58:08 <AaronSw> .NET is a runtime environment, Passport is a web service
03:58:38 <AaronSw> err, s/.NET/.NET app/
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04:03:30 <rbm> but MS is promoting passport so heavily that it can  (and I think it will) become an essential part of .NET for ecommerce.
04:03:56 <rbm> I'm well aware of the difference between passport and .net, but my point still remains.
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04:04:11 <rbm> gcc is not part of Linux, but can you imagine Linux without gcc?
04:04:29 <rbm> I should say Linux system
04:04:56 <AaronSw> AaronSw has changed the topic to: OpenACS Chat <http://openacs.org> || New ircd: Are we having fun yet?<asuffield> we aren't anywhere close to a stable state yet
04:05:46 <AaronSw> Well, no, of course not.
04:05:56 <AaronSw> (Are we still talking about Passport?)
04:06:10 <rbm> * rbm ponders doing Math hmwk or working on free software projects
04:06:32 <rbm> I think so
04:07:06 <AaronSw> Passport is a web service, I don't see how it's related.
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