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09:15:28 <rzolf> anyone alive
09:19:13 <djg> ya
09:19:34 <rzolf> if i have a table with columns key, language, message
09:19:52 <rzolf> and i want to display a result:
09:20:07 <rzolf> key, english_translation, japanese_translation, message
09:20:24 <rzolf> that leaves english_translation or japanese_translation null
09:20:29 <rzolf> if it isn't there
09:20:34 <rzolf> how do i do that.
09:20:40 <rzolf> i have a self join now
09:20:43 <rzolf> that looks like this:
09:21:22 <djg> eek that violates normal form 2 (or 3)
09:21:47 <djg> this is always ugly if you don't have decode
09:21:56 <rzolf> select m.key, m.message as japanese_translation, m1.message as english_translation from lang_messages m left join lang_messages m1 on (m.key = m1.key and m.lang='ja' and m1.lang='en' group by m.key, jt, et;
09:22:02 <rzolf> hm
09:22:13 <rzolf> put a right paren before the group by.
09:22:27 <rzolf> that is working ok, but giving me duplicates 
09:22:31 <djg> u want either a japanese or an english message?
09:22:51 <rzolf> i want a table that lists the translation for each key
09:23:03 <rzolf> and leaves a blank if one of the translations are missing
09:23:16 <djg> why not like this: message_id, language_id, message
09:23:32 <djg> and then outer join between message and translation table
09:23:36 <djg> with nvl(message, "")
09:23:53 <rzolf> the table already exists
09:23:59 <rzolf> with data in it
09:24:14 <rzolf> it is ACS lang, btw. ;-)
09:24:16 <djg> select nvl(message,"") from translations t, messages m where m.message_id=t.message_id and t.language_id=the_one_you_want;
09:24:36 <djg> yeah i was lucky to use english-language systems only ;)
09:26:07 <rzolf> the thing is i want both languages
09:26:13 <rzolf> concatenated into one row.
09:26:28 <djg> hmm, i still dont understand
09:26:37 <djg> that looks like
09:26:46 <rzolf> the table contains data that looks like this"
09:27:00 <djg> in which directory is this table?
09:27:04 <rzolf> key, lang, message
09:27:06 <djg> i mean...where is the create table
09:27:14 <rzolf> hold
09:27:24 <djg> ok and key and lang are concatenated primary key columns?
09:27:40 <rzolf> it might not be ported yet
09:27:55 <rzolf> the data looks like
09:28:13 <rzolf> admin_header, en, "administration"
09:28:25 <rzolf> admin_header, jp, "japanese word for administration"
09:28:38 <rzolf> i want to do a select that produces:
09:28:42 <djg> ah now i get it
09:28:55 <rzolf> admin_header, "administration", "japanese word for administration"
09:29:27 <rzolf> it should be possible with an outer self join
09:29:37 <rzolf> but i am doing something wrong
09:30:43 <djg> select m1.key, m1.message, m2.message 
09:30:43 <djg> from messages m1, messages m2
09:30:43 <djg> where m1.key='admin_header' and m1.language_code='engrish'
09:30:43 <djg> and m2.key='admin_header' and m2.language_code='japanese'
09:30:54 <djg> or m2.key=m1.key if you insist on a join
09:31:07 <rzolf> ah
09:31:11 <rzolf> hold on
09:33:02 <rzolf> ok, so now how do i generate a null in  a column for those keys
09:33:08 <rzolf> that are missing one of the translations
09:33:18 <rzolf> and group it together so i don't have dupes
09:33:58 <djg> w8 a second
09:34:10 <djg> is there nvl in postgres?
09:34:39 <djg> yes there os
09:34:39 <rzolf> there is case
09:35:15 <djg> what is case?
09:35:20 <rzolf> decode
09:35:26 <djg> ok
09:35:33 <djg> why would you get dupes?
09:35:40 <rzolf> i dont know.
09:35:54 <rzolf> oops
09:35:55 <djg> where rownum=1 helps against dupes in oracle hehe
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09:36:21 <rzolf> oops
09:36:32 <rzolf> don't use emacs commands in BitchX, i guess.
09:37:07 <djg> me?
09:37:12 <rzolf> no me ;-)
09:37:16 <djg> ok
09:37:37 <rzolf> i am doing this:
09:37:45 <djg> can u point me to the create table statement?
09:37:49 <djg> i need to try this
09:38:04 <djg> but i think you're taking a very complicated approach ;)
09:38:13 <rzolf> it should just work.
09:38:40 <djg> yes
09:38:45 <djg> try my query
09:39:00 <djg> what is the problem about this query?
09:39:02 <rzolf> your query only returns where key=key
09:39:10 <rzolf> it doesnt fill in nulls.
09:39:20 <rzolf> create table lang_messages (
09:39:25 <rzolf> key varchar(800),
09:39:31 <rzolf> lang varchar(20) not null,
09:39:34 <rzolf> message text,
09:39:55 <djg> hmm so if cannot find a row you still want one row with nulls?
09:40:08 <rzolf> if
09:40:21 <rzolf> admin_header has a japanese translation
09:40:26 <rzolf> but not an english translation
09:40:46 <djg> ah
09:40:48 <rzolf> i want to get: admin_header, "japanese translation", ""
09:41:09 <rzolf> currently
09:41:11 <rzolf> this query"
09:41:13 <rzolf> select m.key, m.message as j_translation, m1.message as e_translation f\
09:41:14 <rzolf> rom lang_messages m left join lang_messages m1 on m.key=m1.key and m.lang = 'ja' \
09:41:15 <rzolf> and m1.key = 'en' group by m.key, j_translation, e_translation;
09:41:22 <rzolf> does almost what i want.
09:42:22 <rzolf> wait that is wrong
09:42:25 <rzolf> the wrong query
09:42:50 <djg> is one of the languages completely translated?
09:42:57 <rzolf> no.
09:42:57 <djg> like...can i use outer joins at all?
09:43:42 <rzolf> maybe i can just use decode and a group by?
09:43:54 <djg> no, i think i would do this in the application
09:44:05 <rzolf> hehe
09:44:11 <rzolf> that sucks, though.
09:44:14 <djg> gimme the english and japanese translataion
09:44:15 <djg> if not there gimme the japanese translation
09:44:15 <rzolf> the TCL cop-out
09:44:20 <djg> yeah, it sucks
09:44:30 <djg> i have to think about it
09:45:08 <rzolf> i think decode and group by will work.
09:45:15 <djg> maybe, but it lokks very kludgy
09:45:23 <djg> and that for a straight-forward thing
09:45:44 <rzolf> it should be an easy self join
09:46:00 <rzolf> unless it doesnt work, because there are missing values in each column
09:46:03 <rzolf> instead of just one
09:48:57 <djg> but it sounds like you need control-flow
09:49:06 <djg> sou tcl aint that much of a cop-out
09:53:38 <rzolf> i dont uderstand why i am getting a duplicate.
09:54:29 <djg> select distinct for the lame
09:54:37 <djg> but that's yet another kludge
09:54:38 <rzolf> that's no good.
09:55:24 <djg> for what is the group by? you dont do agregates
09:55:46 <rzolf> true
09:55:59 <rzolf> where is the duplicate coming from.
09:56:15 <rzolf> and why is someone on my machine sending me "talk" requests.
09:56:19 <rzolf> that's so 1980s...
09:56:30 <djg> try each query withut the join
09:57:04 <djg> that's very strange that you get a duplicated row
09:57:07 <djg> as a result
09:58:35 <rzolf> so if i leave off the join
09:58:37 <rzolf> and just do
09:59:04 <djg> well just encapsulate for now
09:59:06 <rzolf> select m.key, m.message, m1.message from lang_messages m, lang_messages m1 where m.lang='ja' and m1.lang='en'
09:59:15 <djg> and think about it for a few days
09:59:32 <rzolf> i get the proper number of rows returned
10:00:37 <djg> hmm
10:00:43 <rzolf> but
10:00:46 <djg> i dont understand it either
10:06:39 <djg> l8r
10:06:42 <djg> lunch time
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12:22:59 <djg> re
12:23:05 <djg> solved yer problem?
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14:43:19 <rbm> morning all
14:50:18 <rbm> brb
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15:18:10 <rbm> Is jmarsden around?
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15:37:04 <rbm> I guess not anymore :)
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15:42:31 <jmarsden> rbm
15:43:14 <jmarsden> rbm: I'm back at the computer...
15:43:24 <rbm> hey jonathan
15:43:42 <rbm> I just noticed your RPMs were not linked from the software page! What a shame on me!
15:44:07 <rbm> So I just linked them there
15:44:15 <jmarsden> Someone else said something about that in a bboard post... cool.
15:44:45 <rbm> I'm preparing a list of contributors to the project. we need to recognize people better.p
15:44:52 <jmarsden> I'm looking at redoing the aolserver one using the newer aolserver 3.3+ad13 that aD has at their site, and also making it so libxml2 is not needed for OpenACS 3.x
15:45:23 <jmarsden> Yes... I said that to Ben in my response to his request for comments on the 'leadershi' stuff recently.
15:45:56 <rbm> He asked me to prepare this list at least 2 weeks ago.
15:46:01 <jmarsden> Not that I need recognition but some of the porters for example I think it woudl be really good to recognize "officially".
15:46:18 <rbm> I'm glad Musea is taking over the site. It'll be really good for everyone.
15:46:37 <jmarsden> Ah, OK... yes, should give you mroe time for docs and improve the site too.
15:46:51 <rbm> jmarsden: I agree with you. Recognition is crucial, especially in free software projects
15:48:07 <jmarsden> Maybe we can at elast start a bboard trhead when someone ports a module, congratulating them and encouraging the rest of the cmmunity to test it?
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15:50:24 <rbm> That'd be good. But it depends on the porters to start the thread, since we're not monitoring who finishes what. Well, Don is.
15:50:52 <jmarsden> RIght... maybe it's even betetr if Don starts those trheads, as the project leader!
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15:54:07 <rbm> true
15:54:17 <zzzirk_slc> moo rbm
15:54:18 <rbm> Send Don an e-mail about that. He'll like your suggestion.
15:54:26 <jmarsden> Ok, sure.
15:54:27 <rbm>  moo zzzirk
15:54:35 <zzzirk_slc> whassup?
15:54:38 <jmarsden> zzzirk: hey, did you get the CR install issue licked?
15:54:43 <rbm> Does anyone know if opn support memos?
15:55:44 <zzzirk_slc> Nope, not quite.  I just did a CVS update and tried a new installation from scratch and I'm down to 8 of those *ABORT STATE* statements.  There were a TON more yesterday.
15:56:24 <jmarsden> Sounds like time to post the relevant chunks from the log to the bboard and see who else can help.
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15:56:38 <zzzirk_slc> I didn't know if maybe other people were doing upgrades from OpenACS 3.2 and I'm doing a fresh install.
15:57:15 <jmarsden> You don't upgrade the datamodel anyway, you run the thing as a separate PG user and so forth, so I dobt that's it.
15:57:16 <rbm> Yes. OPN supports memos. That's really cool.
15:57:58 <jmarsden> help note
15:58:31 <zzzirk_slc> I didn't think so either, that was just the ONLY thing I could think of why other people weren't having problems.
15:59:08 <jmarsden> Use the power of the community and post the errors asking for help... *someone* will know how to solve it :-)
15:59:50 <zzzirk_slc> I was actually planning to do some investigation and post a message last night, but the time never materialized in which to do anything.  I'm hoping to get to it today or tonight.
16:03:59 <rbm> * rbm prepares to do hmwk for his mega-lame class
16:04:18 <rbm> BTW, the "tramp" Emacs module is awesome
16:04:22 <zzzirk_slc> Perl class? ;-)
16:04:29 <rbm> Worse. PHP.
16:04:36 <zzzirk_slc> OOoooooh. :-)
16:04:48 <rbm> But that's not the worse part. The professor is the worst part.
16:05:18 <rbm> I don't know how can people develop big things in PHP. It must be an exercise of oriental patience.
16:06:41 <rbm> I tried using persistent connections under PHP, and they are _really_ persistent. They never get re-used. With 2 users pounding on my machine I have over 40 connections open after 2 minutes.
16:07:09 <bbaquiran> sounds like a driver bug
16:07:51 <rbm> Perhaps. It was the PG driver. I'm not that familiar with the PHP internals, but if it's a bug, it's been there for a loooong time, since everybody counsels NOT to use persistent connections.
16:09:16 <rbm> I also tried using the PEAR DB abstraction layer only to find out it took 5 minutes to grab a connection. I had to come up with my own db abstraction layer (that coincidently ended up resembling AOLserver's API :-))
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16:18:43 <steveW> zzzirk_slc: are you still there?
16:19:00 <zzzirk_slc> I am.
16:19:11 <steveW> I've been thinking about your installation problem
16:19:24 <steveW> Are you near your machine?
16:19:30 <zzzirk_slc> Oh, what are you thoughts? 
16:19:35 <zzzirk_slc> Physically close?  No.
16:20:31 <steveW> I had the same problem - acs-content-repository failing the install, plus one other package (can't remember which)
16:20:53 <steveW> Anyway, trying to fix something else I cut down the number of records in tree_encodings
16:20:59 <steveW> And the next time the install worked
16:21:57 <steveW> Didn't know whether I was seeing things, but just did the same thing here
16:23:59 <steveW> I reduced tree_encoding to 0-9, A-Z
16:24:28 <steveW> I have no idea why this affects the CR install...
16:25:39 <zzzirk_slc> Where do you set tree_encoding?  Is that a database setting?
16:26:07 <steveW> Its in acs-kernel/sql/postgresql/postgresql.c
16:26:35 <steveW> Its used to generate the tree_sortkey field on the "hierachical" tables
16:26:50 <zzzirk_slc> Do you mean postgresql.sql?
16:26:59 <steveW> Ack, yes
16:27:16 <zzzirk_slc> Okay and you reduced it to 0-9, A-Z right?
16:27:33 <zzzirk_slc> No other punctuation or lower case letters?
16:27:36 <steveW> Yup. Just now (at work) I cut it down to 0-9
16:27:58 <steveW> The idea is you want "select * from tree_encodings order by code" to come out in "deci" order
16:28:27 <steveW> Right now I've code "deci" 0-9 and "code" 0-9
16:28:47 <steveW> At home I had "deci" 0-35 and "code" 0-9A-Z
16:29:26 <zzzirk_slc> So I should renumber the alphabet characters as well?
16:29:34 <zzzirk_slc> As far as the number on the left?
16:29:44 <steveW> I did
16:30:15 <zzzirk_slc> Okay, I've made that change.  I'm gonna try it, hang on.
16:30:16 <steveW> You want to change the hardcoded number in tree_default_encoding_base() as well (just underneath the set of tree_encoding rows)
16:30:29 <steveW> ...to the number of records you've got now
16:31:46 <zzzirk_slc> 36 in other words.
16:33:41 <zzzirk_slc> Ok, the install is running now.  
16:34:01 <zzzirk_slc> Moment of truth.
16:34:42 <zzzirk_slc> Everything went through just fine.  It installed.
16:34:57 <zzzirk_slc> Thanks stevew!
16:35:51 <steveW> This is just a sticking plaster though...
16:36:10 <steveW> And I think it buggers up tree_sortkey in a slightly different way
16:36:37 <jmarsden> That is *weird*!  Let Don and whoever ported acs-kernel know about this one
16:37:08 <steveW> Can you do a "select object_type, tree_sortkey from acs_object_types order by tree_sortkey"?
16:38:01 <steveW> For acs_mail_link I get /00/100
16:38:10 <steveW> Should be /00/10 I think
16:41:10 <steveW> I'll mail Don & co.
16:42:45 <zzzirk_slc> I got /00/0a
16:47:42 <steveW> Oh, I used 0-9. That looks right for you
16:47:51 <steveW> I wonder what you get after /00/0z?
16:48:27 <steveW> try this: select tree_next_key('/0z');
16:49:14 <zzzirk_slc> openacs-4=# select tree_next_key('/0z');
16:49:14 <zzzirk_slc>  tree_next_key 
16:49:14 <zzzirk_slc> ---------------
16:49:14 <zzzirk_slc>  
16:49:14 <zzzirk_slc> (1 row)
16:49:32 <zzzirk_slc> That's what I got back.
16:49:50 <steveW> how about for /0y ?
16:50:05 <zzzirk_slc> Okay, so maybe I should have uppercased my A the first time.  It was /00/0A not /00/0a
16:50:20 <steveW> ah, ok
16:50:24 <zzzirk_slc> Same thing.  It must want upper case.
16:50:31 <steveW> yes
16:51:44 <steveW> Can you try it with /0Z?
16:53:29 <zzzirk_slc> I did try it with /0Z and got /100
16:53:54 <zzzirk_slc> openacs-4=# select tree_next_key('/0Z');
16:53:54 <zzzirk_slc>  tree_next_key 
16:53:54 <zzzirk_slc> ---------------
16:53:54 <zzzirk_slc>  100
16:53:54 <zzzirk_slc> (1 row)
16:54:19 <steveW> Ok, thanks. I'll have a look into it tonight...
16:54:33 <steveW> I wonder what's different with mine and your installations...
16:54:43 <zzzirk_slc> Is that something you're working on?
16:54:47 <zzzirk_slc> I don't know.  Did you get something different?
16:55:29 <steveW> I mean why did we have a problem, but noone else?
16:58:27 <zzzirk_slc> I don't know.  I've been wondering the same thing.  Did you install PG from RPMs or source?
16:59:12 <steveW> RPMs (7.1.2PGDG)
16:59:16 <zzzirk_slc> Have you been able to install any other packages?  I've tried bboard and ticket tracker and both of them seem to install and then bomb during use.
16:59:31 <zzzirk_slc> I installed from the same.
16:59:59 <steveW> Nope. Are they finished?
17:00:29 <zzzirk_slc> I don't know, I just thought I'd give 'em a try and see what happened.  I just didn't know if you'd tried anything else at all.
17:02:07 <steveW> Nope, I'm trying to get acs-subsite finished... 
17:03:28 <zzzirk_slc> Is that what you're working on then?  
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17:04:21 <steveW> Yes.
17:04:55 <zzzirk_slc> Where I work we are deploying an ACS Classic site before long (hopefully) and then we'll be doing a couple of internal projects that we're hoping to use OpenACS for.  We've been wanting to help with the porting effort, but this site redesign we're in the middle of has prevented that.
17:06:09 <steveW> It's hard to find the time to work on it these days
17:07:10 <zzzirk_slc> Doesn't that always seem to be the case.
17:07:49 <steveW> Speaking of which, I've got to go and get the dinner on!
17:09:02 <steveW> bbl
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22:03:27 <rbm> moo??
22:04:31 <markd2> * markd2 meditates.   oom
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22:43:04 <rbm> So are people getting hit by the IIS work already?
22:43:07 <rbm> I got 21 hits today.
22:43:15 <rbm> s/work/worm/
22:47:37 <AaronSw> Oh, is that what that is?
22:54:04 <AaronSw> Got hit 70 times today
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23:04:11 <rbm> AaronSw: Yeah. It's an IIS worm. And it'll be _really_ nasty
23:04:37 <AaronSw> How so?
23:04:58 <rbm> Starting tomorrow, an estimated 200,000 infected hosts will be sending 410 Mb of data each to whitehouse.gov every 4.5 hours
23:05:12 <AaronSw> eek
23:05:24 <AaronSw> Well, that'll be fun.
23:05:26 <rbm> So the 'net will be crawling tomorrow.
23:05:32 <rbm> (presumably)
23:05:48 <AaronSw> I'll probably have to turn off the email alerts...
23:05:54 <rbm> heh
23:06:02 <rbm> Time to go to class
23:06:05 <AaronSw> c'ya
23:06:08 <rbm> bb in 3 hours
23:06:16 <rbm> whish me luck in my test :)
23:06:23 <AaronSw> best of luck
23:06:25 <AaronSw> :-)
23:06:28 <rbm> Tks :)
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