00:07:53 markd2 (markd@r-41.29.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 00:34:29 wikimadness has quit (Ping timeout for wikimadness[CBL-kthangavelu-a.hs.earthlink.net]) 00:56:48 markd2 has quit (Bork) 00:58:40 shagster has quit (Read error to shagster[207.166.201.55]: Connection reset by peer) 02:05:47 tdxdave (dave@ip-204-97-175-41.dsl.logical.net) has joined #openacs 02:12:21 tdxdave has quit (Read error to tdxdave[ip-204-97-175-41.dsl.logical.net]: Connection reset by peer) 02:27:29 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. There will be a split as services returns. 02:28:47 ChanServ has changed the topic to: 02:28:47 This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ 02:30:03 [GlobalNotice] Thanks much. Sorry for the inconvenience. 02:30:55 [GlobalNotice] Oops, I spoke too soon. Please hold on. 02:31:02 This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ 02:34:12 [GlobalNotice] Looks as if we're settled down. We'll see how it goes. Thanks for your patience. 02:57:11 shagster (mkovach@web1.alal.com) has joined #openacs 02:57:13 shagster has quit (Read error to shagster[web1.alal.com]: EOF from client) 02:57:27 shagster (mkovach@web1.alal.com) has joined #openacs 03:47:20 AaronSw has quit (Ping timeout for AaronSw[c930384-a.hlndpk1.il.home.com]) 03:47:22 AaronSw (Snak@c930384-a.hlndpk1.il.home.com) has joined #openacs 03:55:05 rbm (roberto@slxwy.dorms.usu.edu) has joined #openacs 03:55:13 * rbm is back from the darkness of moving 05:21:38 bbaquiran (brianb@210.16.70.2) has joined #openacs 05:41:50 bbaquiran has quit () 08:07:01 ola (ola@as3-1-3.mal.s.bonet.se) has joined #openacs 10:36:31 shagster has quit (Read error to shagster[web1.alal.com]: Connection reset by peer) 11:33:55 bbaquiran (bpb@202.8.232.32) has joined #openacs 12:35:00 shagster (mkovach@web1.alal.com) has joined #openacs 12:51:29 bbaquiran has quit (Ping timeout for bbaquiran[202.8.232.32]) 13:07:20 tdxdave (dave@mail.perb.state.ny.us) has joined #openacs 13:31:08 shagster has quit (Read error to shagster[web1.alal.com]: Connection reset by peer) 14:39:02 markd2 (markd2@r-41.32.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 15:09:12 markd2 has changed the topic to: Welcome to the OpenACS helpline. http://openacs.org 15:12:50 wohoo! the new sshd that debian installed uses SSH2 only, so now I can connect. Porting work beginning... 15:16:18 woo hoo! 15:16:52 actually I have no idea what I am talking about... darn. I will have to fix it at home. 15:29:40 shagster (mkovach@web1.alal.com) has joined #openacs 15:34:16 vinod (vinod@d216.dial-8.cmb.ma.ultra.net) has joined #openacs 15:38:45 hola 15:41:28 hey mark 15:41:47 i'd just been wondering about shower-curtain-billowing - thanks! 15:46:51 heh 15:47:07 figured I had to put *something* for my regular readers^H 15:47:15 been busy, not much surfing time :-( 15:48:23 yeah, i've wanted to start a weblog, but there just seems to be no time 15:48:29 i don't know how you do it 15:49:10 my work habits (if I'm not doing my dba study), are work for 10, surf for 2 15:49:18 that's how I'm most productive 15:49:27 so I try to find interesting stuff for that surf for 2 time :-) 15:49:31 minutes or hours? 15:49:37 minutes 15:51:58 makes sense. 15:52:10 * vinod needs to start making and following a schedule 16:01:47 markd2, is it just me or is www.badgertronics.com hosed? 16:02:20 hmm, seems like just me.... 16:03:00 every so often os x starts doing weird stuff with the network 16:06:55 moo 16:10:20 moo? 16:17:02 pat (pat@xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net) has joined #openacs 16:18:05 Grax (grax@cx447399-d.omhaw1.ne.home.com) has joined #openacs 16:26:08 badgertronics seems to be working for me. what were you seeing? 16:32:48 * rbm goes to his mega-lame class 16:34:21 how long are you shackled to that? 16:34:31 vinod: great doc, I see it answers all the questions I asked! 16:36:21 anyone know where I can find man pages / documentation for old versions of Tcl? 16:38:41 try scriptics.com : http://www.scriptics.com/man/ 16:39:26 tdxdave: thanks - just proves they were good questions! 16:40:52 brilliant! thanks 16:41:04 np 16:46:12 * tdxdave goes to Home Depot 16:54:31 vinod has quit (going to lunch) 17:24:21 * tdxdave is back from his 998,765,228,457th trip to Home Depot 17:33:05 heh 17:33:11 do they greet you at the door by name yet? 17:35:21 I went to the other one near my office, they don't know me yet. 18:50:37 pat has quit (Ping timeout for pat[xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net]) 18:56:49 markd2 has left channel 19:04:51 Aaah! Another reason not to go to school: http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2001/07/16/abc_ip/index.html 19:10:49 wow! 19:19:56 * AaronSw notes that he tried his best to teach just the opposite when he was in school. 19:20:16 I gave short talks on how Gnutella and Freenet worked and where to download them. 19:21:53 I am sure that had more effect than preaching about "Intellecual Property" would have. 19:22:54 There is no such thing as Intellectual Property... it's just an attempt to confuse people by grouping together very disparate parts of law and implying that people can own ideas. 19:23:04 (Thanks, Stallman!)\ 19:24:19 cf http://media-in-transition.mit.edu/forums/copyright/index_transcript.html 19:25:34 Cool. 19:25:58 """Also, itıs a very bad idea to think about intellectual property for two reasons:  First, it prejudges the most fundamental question in the area which is:  How should these things be treated and should they be treated as a kind of property?  To use the term ³intellectual property² to describe the area is to presuppose the answer is ³yes,² that thatıs the way to treat things, not some other way. 19:25:58 Second, it encourages over-generalization.  Intellectual property is a catch-all for several different legal 19:25:58 systems with independent origins such as, copyrights, patents, trademarks, trade secrets and some other things as well.  They are almost completely different; they have nothing in common.  But people who hear the term ³intellectual property² are led to a false picture where they imagine that thereıs a general principle of intellectual property that was applied to specific areas, so they assume that these various areas of the law are similar.  T 19:26:01 do, it leads people to fail to understand what the law actually says because they suppose that the copyright law and patent law and trademark law are similar, when, in fact, they are totally different.""" 19:26:12 stallman is smart 19:31:01 rbm_ (roberto@slxwy.dorms.usu.edu) has joined #openacs 19:33:01 rbm has quit (Ping timeout for rbm[slxwy.dorms.usu.edu]) 19:37:35 gilbertw (gilwong@palrel2.hp.com) has joined #openacs 20:03:53 pat (pat@xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net) has joined #openacs 20:43:24 tdxdave has left channel 21:10:39 pat has quit (Ping timeout for pat[xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net]) 21:32:42 ola has quit (ircII EPIC4-1.0 -- Are we there yet?) 21:50:44 Grax has quit (Read error to Grax[cx447399-d.omhaw1.ne.home.com]: EOF from client) 21:51:47 talli (talli@dsl081-044-190.lax1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has joined #openacs 21:53:35 hello hello? 21:55:36 gilbertw has quit (Ping timeout for gilbertw[palrel2.hp.com]) 22:00:23 hey there, talli! 22:01:08 gilbertw (gilwong@palrel2.hp.com) has joined #openacs 22:10:33 hey aaron, how are you? 22:10:47 good, how about you? 22:11:27 pretty good. 22:11:33 all done with high school, huh ;) 22:11:46 :-) 22:12:00 don't worry -- college gets even worse. 22:12:10 high school: as far as i'm concerned 22:12:18 see http://aaronsw.com/school/ 22:12:23 i know, i know. 22:12:27 back a day or two, i think 22:13:03 so what are you working on nowadays? 22:13:28 mostly semantic web stuff, like #rdfig on this irc network 22:13:48 nice. making progress? 22:13:57 I think so 22:14:49 congrats 22:19:39 ok, later aaron 22:19:45 c'ya 22:19:49 talli has quit () 22:24:43 markd2 (markd@r-41.52.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 22:30:22 gilbertw has quit () 22:47:04 markd2 has quit (Bork) 22:52:52 markd2 (markd2@r-41.52.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 23:22:26 gilbertw (gilwong@atlrel1.hp.com) has joined #openacs 23:32:07 markd2 has quit (Bork) 23:41:17 gilbertw has quit ()