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00:29:38 <rbm> tdxdave: hmm. I've never seen it. I've just seen people using it
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01:57:26 <tdxdave> here is a good one. 
01:57:42 <tdxdave> If I define a variable as a OWTPPE and use a FOR loop 
01:57:55 <tdxdave> %rowtype that is
01:58:19 <tdxdave> if the select in the for does not return all the columns in the row i get an error message:
01:58:27 <tdxdave> acs-4,ERROR:  query didn't return correct # of attributes for v_permission_row
01:58:27 <tdxdave> ):
01:59:48 <tdxdave> I just use record instead and that works ok.
02:01:38 <tdxdave> vinod: thanks that is what I needed.
02:01:57 <vinod> tdxdave: no problem
02:01:57 <tdxdave> So basically I am just screwing up my functions, that is the problem. :)
02:04:24 <tdxdave> I cheated by creating variables for the values and defaulting them to the value I wanted it to be.
02:10:17 <vinod> hmmm... i think the %ROWTYPE should work
02:10:43 <tdxdave> my select says 
02:10:57 <tdxdave> SELECT grantee_id,privilige from acs_permissions
02:11:53 <vinod> i just tried this and it works:
02:11:55 <vinod> create function vk_test()
02:11:56 <vinod> returns integer as '
02:11:56 <vinod> declare
02:11:56 <vinod>     users_rec   users%ROWTYPE;
02:11:56 <vinod> begin
02:11:56 <vinod>     for users_rec in select user_id from users where user_id < 3000
02:11:58 <vinod>      loop
02:12:00 <vinod>        raise notice ''user_id=%'',users_rec.user_id;
02:12:02 <vinod>      end loop;
02:12:04 <vinod>     return 0;
02:12:06 <vinod> end;' language 'plpgsql';
02:12:17 <tdxdave> Which postgresql do you have?
02:12:59 <vinod> openacs4=# select version();
02:12:59 <vinod>                             version                            
02:12:59 <vinod> ---------------------------------------------------------------
02:12:59 <vinod>  PostgreSQL 7.1.2 on i586-pc-linux-gnu, compiled by GCC 2.95.4
02:13:18 <tdxdave> i am using 7.1.0 because of debian package problems. 
02:13:58 <vinod> yeah -aolserver and pg are the only 2 non-debian apps that i compile myself (and the kernel)
02:15:39 <tdxdave> maybe I will just compile it. I hate to break my debian streak. Even daemontools has a debian pacakge.
02:18:14 <tdxdave> * tdxdave is reloading the datamodel
02:24:21 <tdxdave> cool, my patches seemed to have worked.
02:24:35 <tdxdave> Now I have to send them to DanW (scary) :)
02:26:11 <vinod> haha - patching the core - now you're a real man ;-)
02:26:29 <tdxdave> lol
02:26:38 <tdxdave> (not really family is sleeping)
02:28:05 <vinod> ssssssshhhhh.
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02:38:57 <tdxdave> patches emailed to Dan
02:39:05 <tdxdave> * tdxdave crosses his fingers
02:41:04 <deadman> deadman is now known as wikimadness
02:41:24 <tdxdave> wikimadness: interesting moniker
02:42:27 <tdxdave> is that like reefer madness?
02:44:45 <tdxdave> anyone know what empty_blob() does?
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02:55:27 <tdxdave> vinod: do you have any idea how to replace content_repository blob stuff with text?
02:55:46 <tdxdave> (aren;t you lucky you came back! :)
02:58:24 <vinod> so you basically want to create a content_item that contains text instead of a blob, right?
02:58:38 <tdxdave> yes. static-pages are all text.
02:59:55 <vinod> i think some of the content_item__new's are for binary content and some are for text
03:00:23 <vinod> look at the third content_item__new in packages/acs-content-repository/sql/postgresql/content-item.sql
03:00:35 <tdxdave> ok.
03:22:34 <tdxdave> Thats good, but for some reason static-pages creates the items first, then adds the content after
03:22:59 <tdxdave> I think I can greatly simplify the code by switiching to text
03:25:23 <vinod> yeah - i think aD's content-repository was blob only (text was put in blobs), so the item was created and then the blob was put in
03:26:01 <vinod> since the CR is now text/blob/file, i would simplify if I was just using text
03:28:17 <tdxdave> Cool, thanks for listening. Its handy to have someone to talk about this stuff to.
03:35:34 <tdxdave> well thanks again goodnight everyone
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06:25:07 <rbm> mee??
06:25:15 <rbm> s/mee/moo/
06:26:46 <bbaquiran> good afternoon
06:31:12 <vinod> howdy
06:32:25 <rbm> afternoos?
06:32:31 <rbm> bbaquiran: where are you?
06:32:38 <rbm> * rbm sends a huge message no openacs.org
06:32:48 <rbm> hey vinod. what's up? Working?
06:33:27 <vinod> well, got back from work and had an urge to work on openacs and now it's 2:30 in the morning
06:33:31 <vinod> doh!
06:34:19 <vinod> nice post roberto - i agree with you
06:37:23 <rbm> vinod: thanks
06:37:36 <rbm> I never thought managing an open source project would be this hard
06:37:43 <rbm> geesh :)
06:38:28 <vinod> i know - i'm having a blast and it's amazing that everyone's not having as much fun as i am :)
06:39:35 <rbm> I know!!
06:40:29 <rbm> See, all this management crap, and having to spend time just to calm the community down, and stop attempts to have "steering committes", etc. just takes time off the fun stuff: getting things to work
06:41:05 <rbm> If everyone would just listen to Don saying "let's do what's important NOW, and worry about other things later", it'd me much easier for everyone, and much more productive too
06:41:43 <vinod> i think part of the issue is that people just want to see something happening, so once a beta is out, non-porters will be able to focus their energies better
06:41:43 <rbm> Don is not trying to be an asshole. He's not. But he speaks out when necessary. Jerry has been out with this committee and search stuff for weeks.
06:42:20 <vinod> i know - i've met Don - he's a great guy
06:45:32 <vinod> hey rbm, remember how you suggested that someone put together a html page that linked to a bunch of porting info?
06:46:06 <rbm> yeah
06:46:22 <vinod> well, i did - it's pretty rough- you wannit?
06:46:37 <rbm> It should also like to things like your installation guide
06:46:42 <rbm> YES!!!!
06:46:53 <vinod> i love the enthusiasm :-)
06:47:00 <vinod> should i just email it to ya?
06:47:04 <rbm> * rbm jumps and dances
06:47:08 <rbm> or dcc
06:47:09 <vinod> lol
06:47:20 <rbm> * rbm jumps some more
06:47:23 <vinod> what's dcc?
06:47:36 <vinod> haha - don't hurt yourself :-)
06:47:36 <rbm> Direct Client Connection (or something like that).
06:47:44 <vinod> oh, how do i do that?
06:47:52 <rbm> You do: /dcc send rbm /path/to/myfile.html
06:48:59 <rbm> DARN!
06:49:09 <rbm> I forgot to turn off my firewall
06:49:15 <rbm> vinod: send it again please
06:50:30 <rbm> Ehh??/
06:50:38 <rbm> vinod: are you behind a firewall?
06:51:02 <bbaquiran> gee, I turn my back all and all of a sudden everyone starts typing
06:51:07 <vinod> oh yeah
06:51:13 <vinod> i'll just email it
06:51:25 <rbm> Ok
06:51:31 <bbaquiran> rbm, I'm in the Philippines
06:51:31 <rbm> * rbm turns his firewall back on
06:51:44 <rbm> bbaquiran: There are a lot of people here who have been to the philipines
06:53:09 <bbaquiran> on holiday?
06:53:50 <rbm> In Utah
06:56:41 <rbm> vinod: excellent! Thanks!
06:57:21 <vinod> rbm: no problem - it was basically a brain dump, so it might need some polishing
06:57:56 <vinod> gotta hit the sack - promised myself i would be in bed by 3:00 AM
06:57:58 <vinod> :-)
06:58:07 <vinod> talk to y'all manana
06:58:07 <rbm> heh
06:58:08 <rbm> later
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06:58:29 <bbaquiran> rbm: are you referring to the Mormon missionaries sent here?
07:00:00 <rbm> yep
07:00:24 <rbm> I even learned a philipino word the other day. But can't spell it :)
07:01:12 <bbaquiran> what was the word supposed to mean?
07:08:09 <rbm> Hmmm. I don't remember eeither :)
07:08:18 <rbm> time for bed (past time actually{)
07:08:19 <rbm> later.
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14:42:37 <tdxdave> * tdxdave is having debian troubles
14:46:34 <rbm> moo
14:46:41 <rbm> what's up tdxdave?
14:50:28 <tdxdave> I installed the new apt-get and now I have a bunch or broken packages. I was going to try to install postgresql 7.1.2 again.
14:50:47 <tdxdave> I think I will have to update the entire system to unstable to make it happen.
14:51:44 <tdxdave> I am reading the dselect documentation right now
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14:57:06 <rbm> hmmm. I don't know if apt 0.5 will work with something other than unstable
14:57:21 <rbm> why did you install the new apt if you're not running unstable?
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14:58:33 <rbm> I don't have any trouble running unstable. I run it on many computers, some of them important. I just am careful when doing upgrades.
14:58:53 <rbm> s/I just am/I am just/
15:01:14 <tdxdave> mainly I have no idea what I am doing. So I just wing it. Eventually I will figure it out. 
15:01:33 <tdxdave> As long as I don't commit anything to the OpenACS tree while I am doing it, I am OK.
15:02:04 <tdxdave> I think perhaps I should backup and install a proper debian system.
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15:05:04 <rbm> tdxdave: Are you in Progeny?
15:05:28 <tdxdave> well, yes and no. I started with it, but I don't know how much is left.
15:05:46 <rbm> tdxdave: Is this a critical system?
15:05:51 <tdxdave> I need about 10 computers so I can experiment with different things on them.
15:05:54 <rbm> if not, just upgrade to unstable.
15:06:06 <tdxdave> Its not crtical, except my OpenACS work is on it.
15:06:08 <rbm> But then, I have critical systems running unstable.
15:06:28 <rbm> tdxdave: can you make a backup of the OpenACS work before upgrading to unstable?
15:06:39 <tdxdave> Should I just select unstable in sources.list and comment out everything else?
15:07:00 <rbm> pretty much
15:07:19 <rbm> You can leave the progeny lines too. APT will grab the most up-to-date packages
15:07:28 <tdxdave> As long as it doesn't format my harddrive, I'll be ok.
15:07:39 <rbm> then do an apt-get update, and apt-get dist-upgrade
15:08:25 <tdxdave> cool, i will give it a shot. worst case, I have to install a spare HD and backup my files.
15:08:32 <rbm> * rbm goes study. bbl
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18:30:02 <tdxdave> * tdxdave thinks this system could possibly be more broken, but is still surprisingly functional still.
18:41:05 <tdxdave> cool, my machine has limped back to its previously functionality and I still cannot install postgresl 7.1.2
18:41:24 <tdxdave> I downloaded the .debs and it is saying there are some unmet dependencies.
19:00:24 <tdxdave> aha
19:00:41 <tdxdave> postgresql 7.1.2 is only available in non-us version, that I can find.
19:00:46 <tdxdave> (debian package this is)
19:01:14 <tdxdave> it requires libssl0.9.6 which is apparently different from libssl096 and conflickts with openssl0.9.6
19:10:55 <tdxdave> I think I will wait until I am not accessing this machine via SSH to fool with the openssl libraries
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19:30:30 <tdxdave> hi vinod
19:33:07 <vinod> hey dave!
19:33:19 <vinod> what's new?
19:36:00 <tdxdave> i downloaded 284 mb of debian testing and I still can't install postgresql 7.1.2 but everything else is good.
19:37:22 <vinod> ouch - it would take me 2 years to download 284 mb at my bandwith :)
19:37:25 <tdxdave> also it changed my editor in mutt
19:37:44 <tdxdave> it took about 2 hours. 
19:37:52 <vinod> showoff!
19:38:18 <tdxdave> I am getting totally ripped off for that service too. THere is only 1 DSL provider where I am now.
19:38:29 <vinod> editor in mutt is set in .muttrc: set editor="emacsclient"
19:38:50 <vinod> who is your DSL provide?
19:38:51 <tdxdave> But I am paying for 384k and they don't have anything to throttle it so I get 768 (shhhh)
19:39:15 <tdxdave> logical.net - who resells someone elses service. Not covad.
19:39:27 <vinod> i'll be quiet - but loggy see's all :-)
19:39:50 <vinod> why won't pg install?
19:40:22 <tdxdave> It is only in non-us and it uses a different libssl and gets confused. I guess I will just compile it the old fashioned way
19:43:15 <vinod> ahhh - you're a core-hacker now - just compile it :)
19:43:25 <vinod> it takes a while, tho
19:47:23 <vinod> so... have any of you ever gotten marriage proposals through your website?
19:47:30 <AaronSw> :-)
19:47:37 <AaronSw> not yet!
19:47:51 <vinod> just you wait aaron - got my first one today :)
19:48:11 <vinod> it starts: Hallo Mister Vinod Doctor,
19:48:21 <vinod> and it goes downhill from there
19:55:12 <tdxdave> I just wanted to stay 100% debian.
19:56:03 <vinod> yeah - i know - debian's pg was just too out of date when i started with openacs
19:56:09 <vinod> and i've just never gone back
19:57:34 <^lilo> [ServerNotice] Hi all.  We're going to rehub you.  Please bear with us for a moment or two.
19:57:40 <vinod> does anyone remember an aD api-browser that automatically syntax-colored sql files?
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20:13:06 <tdxdave> vinod: thats not what comes with OpenACS 4 huh?
20:14:23 <vinod> openacs4's displays the sql, but just in plain black on white
20:14:43 <AaronSw> must've been acs 3 then
20:14:48 <vinod> i seem to remember seeing one that colored the keywords, but i can't remember if it was 3.x or 4.x
20:14:58 <AaronSw> yeah, i remember it too.
20:15:02 <tdxdave> that's pretty nifty if it works.
20:16:16 <vinod> i wanted to print out a couple datamodels and i just got this nifty color printer, so... :)
20:17:41 <tdxdave> if you print that data model it will change. its a rule.
20:17:50 <AaronSw> aha, her it is
20:17:53 <AaronSw> err here it is: http://cvs.arsdigita.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.pl/acs3x/www/doc/sql/display-sql.tcl?rev=3.6&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup
20:17:56 <vinod> actually, i want to change it
20:18:06 <vinod> awesome! thanks aaron
20:18:12 <AaronSw> no problem
20:18:56 <vinod> i've been trying to help jon merge acs-notifications into acs-mail but trying to understand acs-mail while switching emacs buffers is killin me
20:19:13 <tdxdave> I can imagine. 
20:19:20 <tdxdave> You just need a bigger monitor.
20:19:26 <AaronSw> or two. ;-)
20:19:43 <AaronSw> dual monitors rock!
20:20:09 <vinod> hey, i just got a color printer - one step at a time :)
20:20:35 <vinod> dual monitors??? the laptop is heavy enough as it is
20:21:04 <tdxdave> * tdxdave is looking up how to setup two monitors with linux
20:21:57 <AaronSw> My big monitor and small laptop can be faintly seen in http://swartzfam.com/aaron/doorknob.jpg
20:22:26 <tdxdave> thats cool
20:22:52 <vinod> downloading...
20:23:05 <vinod> almost there...
20:23:21 <vinod> almost there...
20:23:25 <AaronSw> :-)
20:23:25 <tdxdave> * tdxdave is wrestling the 15 inch sony trinitron from his wife to setup dual monitors...
20:23:36 <vinod> aaronsw: cool!
20:23:59 <AaronSw> it took me forever to get that photo to come out.
20:24:09 <tdxdave> with the new camera?
20:24:14 <AaronSw> yep.
20:24:24 <AaronSw> people look at you a bit strange when you keep staring at your doorknob
20:24:30 <vinod> lol
20:25:28 <AaronSw> The real-life doorknob has much higher resolution, though.
20:29:00 <tdxdave> * tdxdave is shopping for a matrox g450 dual
20:29:54 <AaronSw> " a feature-rich, future-proof business accelerator "
20:30:04 <AaronSw> * AaronSw wonderes what a business accelerator does
20:30:32 <tdxdave> you lose money twice as fast...
20:30:52 <tdxdave> dual head 450 with 16mb ram is $77
20:30:58 <AaronSw> Quite popular with dot-com's I'd bet.
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20:31:48 <tdxdave> dot-com special accelerator works at 10x
20:34:05 <tdxdave> according to the postgresql packager, it will stay in non-us due to the need for libssl which is not available in the us?
20:36:48 <tdxdave> howcome I can compile it, weird. (postgresql)
20:37:21 <vinod> i think it has to with libssl not being freely available from a us server.
20:37:57 <vinod> if it's on a us server, the us gov't places restrictions on who can download it
20:38:14 <vinod> if it's on a foreign server, it's not subject to those regulations
20:38:19 <vinod> (i think)
20:39:37 <tdxdave> ok, its probably a debian thing.
20:40:18 <vinod> yeah - you're american, so you can download it. but others wouldn't be able to if it was on us servers
20:40:29 <vinod> so they put it on non-us.debian.org and anyone can download it
20:40:46 <tdxdave> OK, but it is conflicting with my Openssl installation.
20:41:15 <tdxdave> So it is our (us) fault because we restrict the "export" of encryption technology. 
20:41:38 <vinod> i think that's it - of course, i'm no expert
20:42:29 <tdxdave> Sounds right. I'll have to clear up the openssl problem at home.
20:49:19 <tdxdave> going home to pack
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21:01:08 <AaronSw> Does anyone know offhand how OpenACS implements bind variables?
21:01:31 <steveW> It's done with TCL trickery I think
21:01:36 <steveW> Hang on
21:04:40 <steveW> Nope, it's done in the driver... There's TCL bind var stuff for db_exec_plpgsql
21:05:42 <AaronSw> Cool, thanks a lot.
21:06:23 <AaronSw> Do you know what file that's in?
21:09:14 <steveW> Which one? The driver's postgres.c, the TCL is in packages/acs-tcl/tcl/00-database-procs-postgresql.tcl
21:09:26 <AaronSw> Ahh, right -- thanks.
21:09:38 <AaronSw> * AaronSw is getting a bit rusty already!
21:11:04 <steveW> proc db_bind_var_substitution
21:20:05 <steveW> As far as I can remember it subs things like :object_id in the sql with '$object_id' and PG does the type conversion 
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21:55:54 <tdxdave> cool postgresql 7.1.2 install is working, but now I have to resinstall ssh
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22:04:01 <rbm> * rbm is moving.
22:04:04 <rbm> moving sucks
22:04:19 <tdxdave> argh. libssl that works with postgresql 7.1.2 does not work with ssh
22:04:39 <tdxdave> rbm: tdxdave is moving to new house. house is cool, moving still sucks.
22:05:01 <vinod> * vinod just moved to new apt
22:05:05 <vinod> moving sucks
22:05:43 <tdxdave> debian is cool it upgrades postgresql to 7.1.2 while openacs-4 was running
22:06:50 <rbm> I'm just moving to another apartment. Rent will be free, so that's cool. It's just half a block away. Still on campus. But the other apt is much nicer :-)
22:07:05 <rbm> tdxdave: Thank the debian PG maintainer :)
22:07:54 <rbm> vinod: here's what Don said in regards to your page:
22:07:57 <rbm> "This is FAN-BLEEPING-TASTIC!  Vinod's a stud.  Yes, I'd love to see                                                                                
22:08:02 <rbm> it linked to the index page."
22:08:08 <rbm> heheh
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22:08:50 <tdxdave> * tdxdave is downloading ssh from non-us to see if that works
22:09:49 <tdxdave> cool that worked.
22:10:20 <tdxdave> rbm: I downloaded 285mb of testing today. very fun :)
22:10:42 <rbm> hehe
22:10:44 <tdxdave> I still can't make apt-get get stuff from non-us though. I had to download them and run dpkg.
22:11:03 <rbm> tdxdave: should've gone all the way to unstable. Then you could get Emacs 21, which kicks serious butt
22:11:18 <rbm> tdxdave: eh? why? 
22:12:53 <rbm> ben is my hero.
22:13:02 <tdxdave> Any particular reason? 
22:13:10 <rbm> He's just brilliant. Same for Don and Dan.
22:13:28 <tdxdave> yes. it just takes time to get all that stuff in your brain.
22:13:31 <rbm> _and_ he's a nice guy.
22:15:57 <tdxdave> They are all very helpful. I asked Dan about that ecommerce stuff and he ported that view with the outer joins. It was amazing.
22:18:44 <rbm> Dan is the man. He rocks.
22:20:24 <tdxdave> ok who wants to subsidize the new video card so I can run dual monitors. I guarantee it will double my porting speed :)
22:20:29 <rbm> truck is here. off to carry boxes.
22:20:32 <gilbertw> yes.  Dan, Ben and Don are way too smart.
22:20:35 <rbm> tdxdave: Get one for me too.
22:20:43 <rbm> bbl
22:21:20 <gilbertw> tdxdave: ever try the matrox dual head gfx cards?  Good stuff.
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