01:04:59 tdxdave (dave@ip-204-97-175-41.dsl.logical.net) has joined #openacs 01:05:02 Hi 01:06:42 vinod (vinod@M2S16.MIT.EDU) has joined #openacs 01:06:47 Hi there 01:06:54 Howdy! 01:07:01 hi vinod 01:07:05 hey dave 01:07:15 saw your Q&A on the rdfig log last night 01:07:30 Hi dave and vinod and Aaron 01:07:34 Wow! Peoples! 01:07:39 Hi GEM! 01:07:39 great job as the aol moderator aaron 01:07:43 hey GEM! 01:07:44 ;-) 01:07:55 Hi GEM. We missed you. 01:08:01 ...Our next question comes from sexypup23973769.... ;-) 01:08:07 lol 01:08:16 dave: I was in Brazil for three weeks :-) 01:08:21 nice! 01:08:28 good excuse. ;-) 01:08:37 Thats what I was going to say. 01:08:48 vinod: how is Building 2 doing? :-) 01:09:10 oh my mit geography is pretty bad - which one is building 2? 01:09:38 ahhh - is that what the M2 stands for? 01:10:38 It used to be. I am not current on the athena naming scheme 01:11:05 well, i just checked the map - i'm currently in E23 (MIT Medical) 01:11:24 OK, so I am out of date by a lot . Nothing new there 01:11:31 so GEM, if you're on campus - don't get sick or you're stuck with me to take care of ya 01:12:24 *grin* I'm not on campus. Is the Med Center still that awful shade of purple? 01:13:21 not all of it - although there are remnants on the door frames here and there 01:14:01 that should give you an idea of how recently I was in that part of campus 01:14:22 good - stay away! ;) 01:14:38 bbaquiran (woofers@202.8.232.81) has joined #openacs 01:14:50 though we played some interesting games of Patrol in the basement of those buildings 01:16:15 you MIT'ers - always goofing off 01:16:26 was brazil business or pleasure? 01:19:16 bbaquiran has quit (Client Exiting) 01:24:13 Brazil was Mission from my parents' church choir 01:24:30 so an odd mixture of business and pleasure 01:25:11 We took 80 singers and 40 friends with us 01:25:28 we sang 9 concerts, did lots of sightseeing and practicing for the concerts 01:26:19 brought 96 or so suitcases of supplies that we donated to places that needed help 01:26:32 like schools and a divinity school 01:27:31 donated the proceeds from selling several hundred copies of the choir's CD to the various places where we were 01:29:20 I believe that we brought what is currently the whole library for the seminary (what I called a "divinity school" earlier, having blanked on the "s" word) 01:45:19 sorry - just got a rash of phone calls 01:45:27 thats amazing 01:47:12 sounds like you had a great time 01:47:33 i've always wanted to visit brazil (on a more selfish itinerary, though) :) 01:47:50 not a problem. I am running through the thousand or so emails that I got while I was gone. We had a lot of fun 01:48:08 this was the 5th trip like this that the choir has done 01:48:41 are they boston-local? 01:49:45 Nope, in the Philadelphia suburbs. and I moved from Cambridge to Virginia last year 01:50:22 oh - a friend of mine did a similar thing to Russia - his choir was from Atlanta 01:50:44 we went to Russia in 95 - was amazing 01:54:40 I may be going to Russia this fall - mostly in Moscow and then we'll travel to Finland 01:56:13 Oh? have a good time - business or pleasure? 01:56:41 Helsinki was a delightful breath of fresh air after two weeks in Moscow, Novgorod, and St. Petersburg 01:58:05 THough, oddly, I felt a little more at ease in Russia, since I had looked into learning Russian, but nor Finnish 01:58:52 If you have the chance, I strongly recomend learning to at least sound out Cyrillic, and maybe even speaking some Russian 02:01:03 it will definitely be pleasure. my father has a meeting in moscow and we have some old friends in helsinki 02:01:26 i'm just going along for the ride :) 02:02:13 Ahh, that's very cool, too. 02:03:06 If you have any technical background, lots of Cyrillic can be "It's just like your Greek knowledge - Pi, Rho, Delta, Sigma, Gamma are all there" 02:09:45 wait, so i gotta brush off the old calculus book first? 02:09:49 :) 02:11:14 actually, learning some russian would be practical for me. there's a lot of russian-speakers in boston 02:11:35 and the extent of my russian is pointing at their chest and asking "Bol?" (Pain?) 02:12:32 I really liked the series of tapes that I bought for learning Russian. THey were not cheap, though 02:13:13 I listened to them mostly on the bus going to and from work, and got a decent feel for the rudiments of the language in a few weeks 02:16:35 goodnight 02:16:37 tdxdave has left channel 03:49:43 vinod has left channel 06:15:39 rbm (roberto@slxwy.dorms.usu.edu) has joined #openacs 06:20:30 Hmmm 06:20:34 * rbm was reading the logs 06:21:13 * rbm wishes he could go to the OpenACS socials. *sighs* 06:21:51 time for bed. 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I think I have it now. 14:31:55 You've never used arrays...? Hmm. 14:32:02 morning 14:32:14 Morning, rbm 14:32:16 Nope. I just hacked OpenACS code. I never ran into one yet. 14:32:39 Just think of Tcl arrays as hash tables 14:33:08 rbm: thanks... 14:33:50 cool, it works. I hacked a methodName checker into ns_xmlrpc so it will only run a proc if you add it to an authorized list. 14:36:10 It sucks what Adobe is doing to Killustrator. *sighs* 14:39:35 ack, what? (I like Macromedia Freehand) 14:39:35 tdxdave: they are suing the creator of killustrator over its name. They say it's bad for their product (Illustrator) 14:39:35 tdxdave: Adobe is forcing him to change the name. 14:39:35 Aha. Well it is very close. It is a drawing program? 14:39:35 Google says its a KDE drawing program 14:39:35 http://wwwiti.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/~sattler/killustrator.html 14:39:35 Disconnected from irc.openprojects.net (ERROR :Closing Link: loggy[v123-1.ARSDigita.seg.NET] by benford.openprojects.net (Ping timeout for loggy[v123-1.ARSDigita.seg.NET])) 14:39:35 Attempting to reconnect 14:39:40 loggy (openacs-lo@v123-1.ARSDigita.seg.NET) has joined #openacs 14:39:42 topic is: Welcome OpenACS Developers - http://www.openacs.org/ - Add yourself to http://advogato.org/proj/ACSpg/ 14:39:42 Users on #openacs: loggy markd2 tdxdave GEM shagster rbm deadman AaronSw 14:39:53 so it is. I think Adobe might be right on this one. It is very close in name and it is a vector drawing program. 14:40:20 I also suspect it is called KIllustrator precisely because it is a vector drawing program similar to Adobe Illustrator 14:40:29 since when Adobe owns the word "illustrator"? Did they invent it? 14:40:43 GEM has quit (Ping timeout for GEM[MULTICS.MIT.EDU]) 14:41:33 They don't own the "word". They own the use of the word in referring to a vector drawing program. It is a registered trademark. 14:41:58 killustrator != illustrator 14:42:15 No but is it close enough to annoy a lawyer. 14:43:57 ola (ola@as3-1-3.mal.s.bonet.se) has joined #openacs 14:43:59 they should call it kNotAdobe-Illustrator 14:44:20 Not bad. 14:44:34 closeEnoughToAnnoyALawyerIllustrator 14:44:46 I will refrain from further comment without more information on this particular case. 14:45:07 bbiab 14:45:30 Although they are not stopping development or asking for money (according to slashdot...) 14:47:15 bbaquiran (bpb@202.8.232.81) has joined #openacs 14:48:41 Hi there, bb. 14:48:56 hello 14:52:07 GEM (mcmullan@MULTICS.MIT.EDU) has joined #openacs 15:03:01 back 15:50:51 tdxdave: your e-mail at openacs.org is dave@thedesignexperience.org right? 15:50:59 That is correct sir. 15:51:11 k 15:52:15 tdxdave: Description for the ns_xmlrpc package please 15:54:05 oops: XML-RPC server and client for use with AOLserver and OpenACS 15:56:21 tdxdave: Ok. Created the ns_xmlrpc module on SDM. You're an admin, so you can change the description I put there 15:58:07 great, thanks alot. 15:58:10 np 16:02:25 bbaquiran has left channel 16:04:41 weird, README does not appear in the web-based code repository, but it is in the CVS 16:06:30 Not sure exactly what you're referring to but many web interfaces take README as a special file and display ut at the bottom of the screen 16:08:16 here:http://openacs.org/sdm/package-repository.tcl?package_id=12 is the problem scren 16:09:09 perhaps I will just rename it. 16:25:05 tdxdave: did you update the repository? (on sdm) 16:25:34 abbaJ (jabba@user-33qs21m.dsl.mindspring.com) has joined #openacs 16:25:36 tdxdave: I see readme.txt there now 16:25:41 welcome abbaj 16:25:49 hello rbm 16:25:51 how are you doing? 16:25:54 how goes it? 16:25:55 :) 16:26:03 well. getting math hmwk done (sorta) 16:26:04 I'm good, just looking for work 16:26:13 wow 16:26:19 finally gettins some people in here 16:26:19 * rbm hands abbaj some work 16:26:19 :) 16:26:29 rbm: whree's the paycheck? 16:26:31 hehe 16:26:42 You said you were looking for work. Not paying work :-) 16:26:53 hehe 16:27:49 abbaJ has changed the topic to: Need a contract web developer? Email Phillip Thurmond at pdthurmond@yahoo.com 16:27:57 there we go 16:28:01 rbm: how do I do that? I do not see any sort of admin like controls on my end. 16:28:55 tdxdave: Go to "Code repository" then click on "get new source from cvs" 16:29:02 tdxdave: anyone can do it I think 16:30:10 apparently everyone except me... :) 16:30:51 tdxdave: there. you're an admin novw 16:31:37 Thanks again. 16:31:43 tdxdave: make sure you have COPYRIGHT and LICENSE files there 16:32:06 it's essential for your work to be distributed in RPM and DEB formats 16:32:14 Thanks. 16:32:58 Argh! Almost time for my mega-lame class 16:33:05 * rbm is glad he lives on campus 16:33:18 Sorry, how much longer is your sentence? 16:33:27 1 more month 16:33:30 It's a summer class 16:33:49 not too bad. 16:33:54 yeah 16:33:58 if you'd just get that lobotomy like we recommended, the class wouldn't be so bad 16:34:13 But since the classes are in 2 hour blocks, each class takes an eternity to go by 16:34:24 markd2: heh 16:34:25 catch up on much needed sleep. 16:34:56 tdxdave: I'm finishing "The Pragmatic Programmer" and re-reading bits of SICP in that class :-) 16:35:07 thats a good book. 16:35:16 TPP? Yes. Very good. 16:35:24 SICP is excellent too 16:35:42 yeah, but I don't think I am ready for it yet. 16:36:15 * GEM remembers working as a 6.001 lab TA before SICP was bound :-) 16:36:37 heh 16:37:07 I wish I had had SICP in my intro CS classes, rather than C++ 16:37:42 I ruled out a lot of CS curriculums becuase they don't use it. 16:37:58 I had an excellent Algorithms and Data Structures professor. She pushed us to the max and gave us hard (but interesting) assignments. 16:38:27 The joy of debugging C++... 16:38:51 If you use the "inline" keyword in your C++ programs, you can kiss your debugger good bye 16:39:10 I need to check gcc 3 sometime 16:44:18 there may also be a compiler flag to not inline inlines 16:46:18 * rbm heads out to his class 16:46:19 bbl 16:57:26 * tdxdave goes to lunch 17:30:25 * tdxdave is back 17:54:08 markd2 has quit (h4x0r5iz3) 18:20:22 The camera I bought the other day just came! 18:25:55 markd2 (markd2@r-41.190.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 18:30:58 Cool! 18:45:21 * GEM applies to the MA department of revenue to get some unclaimed money back 18:47:08 good luck! 18:54:37 tdxdave, re what I was saying about problems of SOAP/XML-RPC, here's one discussion on it: 18:54:38 http://www.xent.com/pipermail/fork/2001-July/001847.html 19:02:40 Cool. Very interesting. I notice Dave Winer goes off on a tangent unrelated to the original discussion. 19:03:16 That is an interesting list. I should check it more often. 19:06:10 Mark Baker knows a lot about this stuff. 19:06:18 FoRK is interesting but has a very low s/n ratio. 19:06:37 For XML-related stuff, at least. 19:32:17 Anyone know the difference between using record and %ROWTYPE in pl/pgsql? 19:54:58 abbaJ has quit (Client Exiting) 20:03:21 argh! my libxml2 got messed up when I was fooling around. 20:05:46 GEM: it looks like libxml2 2.3.11 is in testing. 20:09:21 but I still can't build nsxml. 20:19:36 markd2 has quit (Bork) 20:20:50 oops I am missing libxml2-dev again... 20:23:34 cool. 20:23:47 it works. 20:39:16 markd2 (markd@r-41.190.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 20:45:25 tdxdave has left channel 20:51:34 Disconnected from irc.openprojects.net (ERROR :Closing Link: loggy[v123-1.ARSDigita.seg.NET] by forward.openprojects.net (Ping timeout for loggy[v123-1.ARSDigita.seg.NET])) 20:51:34 Attempting to reconnect 20:51:39 loggy_1 (openacs-lo@v123-1.ARSDigita.seg.NET) has joined #openacs 20:51:41 topic is: Need a contract web developer? 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