02:04:51 tdxdave (dave@ip-204-97-175-41.dsl.logical.net) has joined #openacs 02:06:06 At MIT, vinod? 02:06:41 yeah, i moonlight as an urgent care physician on nights and weekends 02:06:54 so technically i'm working - don't tell anyone :) 02:07:01 hi 02:07:08 it's been pretty slow since the students went home for the summer 02:07:11 hi dave! 02:07:37 best part is the T1 line ;) 02:08:42 aha know we know :) 02:09:38 first know s/b now 02:10:09 got it - shoulda kept my secret - i'm a bandwith whore 02:10:12 :) 02:14:32 aaronsw: i'm reading through your last schoolyard subversion update (7/2/2001) 02:14:40 Love that last paragraph! 02:14:41 Cool. 02:15:03 i've had that feeling from time to time in my life - wish i could bottle it 02:15:08 you described it well! 02:15:17 Thanks -- it's really how I felt. 02:15:34 that reminds me 02:15:36 ... 02:15:39 I knew it was something I just had to write down 02:16:27 definitely - i need to start writing more 02:16:43 oops - gotta go see a patient - be back in a bit 02:38:38 i'm back 02:38:55 Welcome back! 02:39:37 anyone going to the OpenACS social july 21? 02:39:58 I didn't even hear bout it - where? 02:40:25 Cambridge, MA.the announcement is on the front page of Openacs.org. 02:40:54 I think I'll be in CA that wekk. 02:41:03 Hmm, isn't that the week of the Oreilly OSSCon? 02:41:11 aaronsw: good excuse. 02:41:14 And isn't BenAdida givinh a speech at that. 02:41:26 He is giving a speech. 02:41:31 darn 02:41:47 he didn't make it to the last social either - he's based in nyc 02:41:49 it says special guest on the announcement 02:41:52 i'll be there 02:41:57 cool. 02:42:24 OS conference is the next week. 02:42:32 Ben is speaking on thurday, 26 02:42:42 Ahh, cool. So I won't be in CA. 02:42:50 But I don't think I can make it to MA... 02:43:05 I will try to be there if I am not moving. Its 3 hours from here (Albany, NY) 02:43:12 I wish I could, I've got a number of people i'd like to see. 02:43:37 THere is another one planned for september I guess. 02:45:46 the last one was well attended - and i met phillip for the first time! 02:45:50 cool jerry's search is on scripting.com. I hope he has enough RAM 02:45:58 vinod: alex too! 02:46:34 I should have told jerry to fix the link to me on his site. 02:46:37 ahh - i met alex at the bootcamps back in feb (we go way back!) 02:47:17 tdxdave: you should tell him 02:48:07 vinod: just did :) 02:48:16 ahh .com instead of .org 02:48:57 one of these days i need to educate myself on this whole xml-rpc soap thing 02:49:47 Just folks wrecking web architecture 02:50:52 wrecking? 02:50:53 troublemakers! 02:53:24 vinod: hopefully it will be a full-fledged OpenACS module with documentation. 02:55:42 I think Aaron means that they are overloading the original intent of HTTP. 02:55:52 or I could be wrong... 02:56:00 No, tdxdave is right. 02:56:12 They ruin the semantics of POST and rarely use URIs properly. 02:57:16 is there a better way? 03:01:50 deadman (ender@CBL-kthangavelu-a.hs.earthlink.net) has joined #openacs 03:16:33 tdxdave, of course 03:16:50 Just use the web like usual 03:18:42 POST stuff to URIs, etc. 03:18:56 Use GET when it's right to. 03:19:04 SOAP just assumes it's always the right thing to do. 03:19:15 I'll have to read up on this stuff. I am sure it's all somewhere on the web. 03:19:24 Start with TimBL's writings: 03:19:30 http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/ 03:19:32 especially: 03:19:37 http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/Axioms 03:19:40 I can't speak for SOAP myself. I haven't explored it yet. 03:19:54 XML-RPC is very much the same way. 03:19:58 I have liked everything I have read TimBL 03:20:06 me too. ;-) 03:20:16 Yeah the difference is in the little implementation details. 03:20:46 And you can do the same types of exchanges without XMLRPC or SOAP? 03:21:05 over HTTP, or should be just get out own port and protocol? :) 03:21:17 Sure, over HTTP. 03:21:24 That's what URIs are for. 03:21:28 I need to read. 03:21:40 SOAP and XML-RPC (most implementations, anyway) toss all that out and create some silly notion of a responder. 03:22:15 this might take awhile, quite a few documents there. I will have free tine at work... 03:23:27 aaronsw: is it that SOAP is not implemented correctly, or is that if implemented correctly, it would just be a webserver 03:23:37 the second. 03:23:59 I mean, TimBL wasn't totally dumb when he invented this stuff. 03:24:39 AaronSw: soap can also be put over other protocols. generally though xml-rpc will handle 90% of the use cases for 10% of the work 03:24:50 Yes, I understand. 03:26:16 aaronsw: this is really cool. I should have read this long ago. 03:26:18 speaking of good people to read, on soap and xml-rpc issues dave winer (of userland) 's stuff is worthwhile reading 03:35:05 all I can says is WOW. I think most people go and do their thing without every thinking about how it is SUPPOSED to work. 03:35:26 Yeaah, TimBl's stuff blew me away the first time I read it too. 03:35:44 TimBL inveted the web and he had/has ideas about what it should be. I can tell he knows what he is talking about. 03:35:58 That's why I'm hacking Semantic Web now (over in #rdfig). Because I get to hang out with TimBL and work on his next big idea. ;-) 03:36:03 Everything is setup to work well. 03:36:15 nifty. maybe i'll drop in. 03:36:55 He's not there now.. he only comes around occasionally. 03:36:55 AaronSw: what does the semantic web distill down to? 03:37:15 Well, it depends on your point of view. For the folks here probably a giant distributed database. 03:37:52 i was think more rdf style, meta descriptors and inferencing engines. 03:38:06 Yeah, those are fun too. 03:38:25 But in the end, it's a really big database and querying system. 03:38:34 Which is really cool, when you think about it. 03:38:37 I just meant to see what you guys are up to. 03:38:50 so the web is one connected database to do make a select on... it is but.. 03:38:52 It's like the difference between grep (Google) and SQL (RDF Query) 03:39:35 how is that feasible?. i guess i should join the channel:) 03:39:44 ow, stop, my brain hurts :) 03:40:58 argh local library web site is broken in Opera 03:49:45 interesting stuff - gotta go do some work. ttyl 03:49:48 vinod has left channel 04:02:12 tdxdave has left channel 04:28:26 \quit 04:28:31 deadman has left channel 05:35:44 Please welcome hogan.openprojects.net. 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