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10:27:47 <lilo> [GlobalNotice] Apologies, all.  We temporarily lost a hidden hub.  Likely to be software problems with the old server code.  Probably a good time to note that we're missing a lead developer on that project.  To help, please stop by #mistertoad.  Thanks.
10:28:06 <lilo> [GlobalNotice] We're actually fairly close to release on the new software.
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13:12:49 <markd2> morning
13:12:54 <AaronSw> morning
13:13:03 <PascalS> good afternoon.
13:13:31 <tdxdave> hi
13:13:41 <tdxdave> pascals: time zone?
13:13:44 <PascalS> CET
13:13:57 <tdxdave> aha
13:14:15 <PascalS> 15:14 Hrs here
13:14:23 <ola> good afternoon
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14:35:03 <tdxdave> vinod: hi
14:35:22 <vinod> hi dave! actually have to make a phone call
14:35:31 <vinod> damn dialup! - brb
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14:50:42 <vinod> hi dave, i'm back
14:51:04 <tdxdave> welcome back
14:51:15 <markd2> damn dialup indeed!
14:51:28 <vinod> haha - i wuz spoiled with cable for a year
14:51:37 <vinod> but my new place doesn't have it or dsl :(
14:51:47 <tdxdave> That is really icky. 
14:52:12 <tdxdave> I hope my new house will have cable internet, there is no DSL.
14:52:23 <vinod> i read that article on your site about the telescopes and the airport base stations
14:52:50 <vinod> i'm not that desperate ... yet
14:53:16 <tdxdave> If some of your neighbors want fast access its not a bad idea.
14:53:20 <markd2> I can't say much for the speed or the cost, but my isdn is pretty relaible, and doesn't tie up my phone line
14:55:07 <vinod> my biggest issue is that I want to be connected 24/7 - dialing the phone just to get my email bugs me :)
14:55:24 <vinod> although the speed of cable was pretty nice, too
14:57:49 <shagster> I live with my nailed up ISDN connection , single channel
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17:25:45 <tdxdave> vinod:thanks!
17:26:54 <vinod> no prob - i ran into the same thing earlier
17:27:40 <tdxdave> is it an oracle/postgresql thing? That same code should work in oracle.
17:29:33 <vinod> does it? I can't remember - i thought oracle used the records thing too
17:31:28 <tdxdave> I didn't test it, it is possible it was ported incorrectly.
17:32:54 <vinod> i know one difference is that you have to declare the record in pg wheras in oracle you can just use it
17:34:22 <tdxdave> the oracle version does not delcare anything for that variable. I guess the FOR does the work.
17:36:39 <tdxdave> Its my own fault for not checking this half-ported code.
17:37:36 <vinod> that's why i signed up early - to get the "virgin" packages :)
17:37:57 <tdxdave> I am learning, that's for sure. 
17:38:14 <tdxdave> I am going to try wp-slim when I am done with this.
17:39:59 <vinod> cool - Don told me that AhmedM isn't going to be able to port so anything with his name is up for grabs too
17:40:21 <tdxdave> thanks.
17:40:24 <ola> tdxdave: what are you porting now?
17:40:36 <tdxdave> static-pages
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17:49:38 <tdxdave> Wow no error messages!
17:52:26 <ola> that's nice.
17:55:26 <ola> wp-slim and chat contains a little java - will that cause some problems?
17:55:59 <tdxdave> Probably. I haven't looked at it yet. That is probably why I went to static-pages instead.
18:16:05 <tdxdave> ARGH! Is it a rule at ArsDigita that you have to call a PL/SQL function with the paremters always out of order? )
18:16:08 <tdxdave> :)
18:16:32 <tdxdave> with apologies to markd2
18:21:58 <markd2> heh
18:22:05 <markd2> I didn't write it :-)
18:24:17 <tdxdave> It is just another oracle/postgresqlism. You can pass the parameters in named so you can use any order and pass in as many as you like in oracle. Postgresql wants ALL of them and in the right order.
18:27:18 <markd2> oof
18:27:28 <markd2> that named/default parameter thing is pretty handy
18:27:55 <markd2> I guess having an intermediary language that can be m4'd into the oracle named paramter and postgres positional would be a ton of work
18:29:33 <tdxdave> Its not too bad. Once it is ported it should be fine. 
18:29:57 <tdxdave> It is just a pain when its calling a function in another module, you have to go find out what it is looking for.
18:32:31 <markd2> yeah
18:32:37 <markd2> and some of those parameter lists are *huge*
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20:48:00 <tdxdave> hi steveW
20:48:04 <AaronSw> Hi steveW
20:48:45 <steveW> Hi
20:48:55 <steveW> Sorry, got confused by the 'loggy' window...
20:49:12 <steveW> Is anything exciting going on?
20:50:36 <AaronSw> Not really...
20:51:38 <steveW> Just getting back into it. Amazing how quickly you get rusty on this stuff
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20:53:42 <steveW> Aaron - what are you working on?
20:54:06 <AaronSw> I'm actually not doing porting, but I like to hang around and chat.
20:54:23 <AaronSw> How about you?
20:54:51 <steveW> acs-subsite, but I got stuck a while back and had a break...
20:55:05 <steveW> Plus summer is here...
20:55:31 <AaronSw> Well, roberto is usually around to help out when people get stuck...
20:55:48 <AaronSw> ...but I haven't seen him recently.
20:56:25 <steveW> Just need to sit down and concentrate for a bit
20:56:45 <steveW> Erm, which is why I'm playing with this chat thingy
20:56:56 <AaronSw> ;-)
20:57:12 <AaronSw> I've been hacking RSS parsers today.
20:58:15 <steveW> Cool. I could do with a Slashdot one but you're not supposed to fetch the .rdf too often (sad I know)
20:59:00 <AaronSw> Well, you can always get a cached copy from Meerkat and peg them. ;-)
21:00:42 <AaronSw> Meerkat: http://meerkat.oreillynet.com/
21:01:05 <steveW> Yes, just looking at it now...
21:01:22 <steveW> I was wondering if there was such a thing the other day
21:03:48 <AaronSw> It's a nice site. My friend Rael wrote it.
21:04:03 <AaronSw> Anyway, I was hacking an RSS parser for his P2P version, Peerkat.
21:04:13 <AaronSw> Peerkat: http://peerkat.sf.net/
21:05:45 <steveW> That looks good.
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